As an author, how do you feel when writing villains who commit crimes or immoral acts?

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My main character has been shown to do more awful things than most of the villains, mostly because most villains were one-shot and he has the most screen time so far. But to actually answer the question, I fit somewhat bad when I started but I don't really now.
 

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I have no strong feelings one way or another since I only care about whatever serves the story I wish to tell. It's all just a means to an end to me.
 

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To be honest, some acts of villainy are cathartic to write. Some ... you need a long shower after, true.
 

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As a chronic goody-two-shoes when it comes to evil in media, I absolutely have problems getting into the headspace to write a villain. I'm much more comfortable writing what amounts to cartoon villains than anything with depth or describing truly villainous things. Which makes things all the more complicated when my worlds often end up having themes such as: Terrorism, oppressive megacorporations, post-apocalyptic factions, universe-ending threats, etc.

Hell, this extends farther than just writing, I can never bring myself to pick the evil choices in games that let you choose your path, like inFamous.
 

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As an author, I think it depends on what acts of villainy you're talking about. Acts of villainy from the perspective of one who feels they are in the right, or the hero of their own story, feels different from a villain who acts without conscious thought. I know that people often say that villains without purpose are flat, but I think we forget sometimes that there genuinely are people who find pleasure in hurting others. For the first type, I try to remember that they may have had good reason to act that way, or at least they did. And then it becomes easier. For the second, I just think opposite of myself. I don't have much trouble. I do want people to think of my characters as real people and some are just awful people. I like to make readers hate them.
 

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My villains (as opposed to antagonists) are based on the type of people IRL I consider villainous. They don't have *moral* reasons for their actions, they have selfish reasons, or reasons based on hatred and fear (bigotry/racism), or sadistic reasons.

Someone like Bernie Madoff doesn't feel justified in committing fraud that leaves thousands of elderly people penniless, they feel that they can get away with it.

Real people do things that the know are wrong/immoral all the time, if they think they can get away with it.

People who act violently toward other groups of people because of the color of their skin or the religion they follow are simply looking for an excuse to hurt someone, their bigotry is simply an excuse to do the type of harm that they want to do. They know its wrong to hurt other people, so they find a reason that gets them into a group that is OK with hurting people so long as those people are [X].

A thief who is stealing a loaf of bread so that they don't starve is acting with justification. it's an act of desperation.

A thief who is trying to make a living by stealing other people's stuff is selfish and greedy, and is only acting this way because they think they can get away with it.
 

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I mean, as authors, we certainly have moral/human values that we uphold in real life. However, when we write a conflict narrative through villain antagonists, we're forced to depict acts of crime or immorality that often run counter to our ethical values. So, how do you feel about it?
I love writing about the nasty nature of humanity. My main character, after all, is a study of it.
 

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I don't think too much on how it represents my thinking because if you're giving traits to a villain, you're aware that they are bad things. If anything, it just means you're aware of what's bad and what's good. To me, villains are villains. They will do bad and immoral things. I do only write villains who have a reason for doing bad. Most are corrupted from a young age.

They're only created to give the protagonist someone to fight against, so I never get connected to them like I do the main characters I create. I don't create unnecessary villains because what's the point in that? Characters are created with a purpose, not to stand by idly and watch. Do something, you know?

Sometimes I don't even write "villains." I tend to side more toward romance, so my "villains" are more-so just... really annoying people who try and get in the way of my main pairing. But that doesn't mean I don't have horrible villains. I've created a guy who was prepared to commit genocide. I hate him, but he was necessary for the entire plot.
 

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Me: Writes a character saying something mean to another character.

Also me: :blob_teary:

I practically have to outsource my villains because I struggle with being mean!
 

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Me: Writes a character saying something mean to another character.

Also me: :blob_teary:

I practically have to outsource my villains because I struggle with being mean!
Your heart is too soft. You might not be suited to writing dark fantasy and would prefer writing SoL fiction.
 

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Your heart is too soft. You might not be suited to writing dark fantasy and would prefer writing SoL fiction.

Well, I don't really write darker fantasy that often. I doubt you've read any of it, but it tends to be middle-of-the-road fantasy.
 

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Sometimes I wished I could plant mini bombs into your food disguised as a corn.
I enjoyed caving your skull in with my fist while smiling like a sadist.
Ramming bike drivers when they are blocking my way and hope they'd disappear forever.

Hmm, perhaps I was born evil and suppressing my inner self with ethics.
 

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Sometimes I wished I could plant mini bombs into your food disguised as a corn.
I enjoyed caving your skull in with my fist while smiling like a sadist.
Ramming bike drivers when they are blocking my way and hope they'd disappear forever.

Hmm, perhaps I was born evil and suppressing my inner self with ethics.
One of the vict... er main characters in a horror story I lost to a hard drive crash was literally like this - he wrote horror fiction himself, so that he would not preform the very horrors he wrote about (and his girlfriend was into S&M and encouraging him to ... use a bit less detail in his text and more in his life... at least until he decided to practice on HER instead of random strangers...).
 

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I mean, as authors, we certainly have moral/human values that we uphold in real life. However, when we write a conflict narrative through villain antagonists, we're forced to depict acts of crime or immorality that often run counter to our ethical values. So, how do you feel about it?
That's a really good question.

Brings to mind a few things that I try to bear in mind.

1. I want you to hate that villain. I mean when the villain's name is mentioned or alluded to, I want those visceral feelings of dread, anxiety and you wanting that character erased from all existence for the good of all that is living and sacred to surface. That's the point. You're supposed to hate them.

2. I want you to understand them. The more you understand about them, the less empathetic you should feel toward them. The more dread they should inspire when the reality sets in that there is no changing the mind of that villain. There's no appeal to some sense of reason. That is a mind that is made up. That's a morale killer. Worse still, you understand that they have a point, even if that point is made poorly, even if you agree but you believe in your soul, whatever it is they're doing "This Is Not The Way!" That's the part that should terrify you, that with the villain, hope is an ever-dangling carrot on a stick.

3. The villain will forever alter the protagonist.

Villains are fun for me to write because I'm acknowledging that all that stuff, it's there. It's in my head and that is some uncomfortable stuff to face at times.

The trick of it is that, in my love of tabletop roleplaying games, ironically, that's what got me back into writing fiction because I wanted to share the worlds that where happening in my head from my games with everyone else. Welcome to the 26-Chapter Backstory of our characters.

Anyway, we're writing a pretty dark world with very dark forces right now and listen, writing a villain should be a lot of fun, really go for it. Like, use it to channel the really raw, angry, petty, spiteful...feel the hatred floooow through you but here's the kicker, make a game out of it. Thousand Year Old Vampire and Lichdom are two games that come to mind and you control the level of morality. Go take a walk on your dark side. When you put all that on the paper page of a composition book. When that page is stained with strokes of ink, then there it is, it's out of you. You don't have to worry about that anymore. Now take all that and go create a compelling villain, one that makes your protagonist that much more interesting because they have something that they have to battle for the sake of all those around them. No one's going to look at Thomas Harris and think, "Bro thought of Buffalo Bill and Hannibal Lecter...weirdo" they're thinking "Dude, that's the guy that created Hannibal Lecter! I gotta get my copy signed!" because he wrote compelling villains.

No pun intended, go roll the dice on yours.

It's okay to be comfortable knowing that that's a part of you but be in control of that. Break open in the event of an emergency.

Go play something dark and if you want to include it into The Nocturneverse, let me know. Table's open.
 

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One of the vict... er main characters in a horror story I lost to a hard drive crash was literally like this - he wrote horror fiction himself, so that he would not preform the very horrors he wrote about (and his girlfriend was into S&M and encouraging him to ... use a bit less detail in his text and more in his life... at least until he decided to practice on HER instead of random strangers...).
I need a girlfriend like this.
 

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I mean, as authors, we certainly have moral/human values that we uphold in real life. However, when we write a conflict narrative through villain antagonists, we're forced to depict acts of crime or immorality that often run counter to our ethical values. So, how do you feel about it?
As I am not a villain IRL, or at least hope I am not, I like writing villains for two reasons. One, I want to create strong narratives, and as has been said elsewhere a heroic or at least protagonist character is only as strong as their villain or antagonist. Second, the more awful the villain is, be it in the vast super villainous way, or in the subtle ways, the more enjoyable it is when you write their inevitable downfall. These aren't characters we want to see win. These are characters we want to see get stomped.
 

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They're the villains. That's their job.

Heroes wouldn't exist without villains (just as light cannot exist without darkness).

Villains can be outrageous and over-the-top (a la Austin Powers or James Bond). They can also be normal people who lost their way somewhere (Adrian Veidt, Watchmen).

Adrian Veidt: I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I would explain my master stroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I triggered it 35 minutes ago.
 
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I mean, as authors, we certainly have moral/human values that we uphold in real life. However, when we write a conflict narrative through villain antagonists, we're forced to depict acts of crime or immorality that often run counter to our ethical values. So, how do you feel about it?
A story with a hero, its *not* really about the hero. Its all about that villain. The bigger, the badder, the worse the villain is... the more heroic the hero can be to counter that. The villain is the real crux of the story.
 
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