[Poll] Goodness by Choice vs. Goodness by Default

True or False?

  • True

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • False

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • Sometimes

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Always

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Never

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Total voters
    12

Macha

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People who start out evil and become good are better than people who are born good.

Changing takes real effort, being naturally good is easy in comparison. Their goodness is earned, not just given.

They could choose to do something fun like stab you. That they choose not to do it makes them better than someone who never even thinks about it.

It's the power of choice and self-control that really matters.
 

CinnaSloth

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People who start out evil and become good are better than people who are born good.

Changing takes real effort, being naturally good is easy in comparison. Their goodness is earned, not just given.

They could choose to do something fun like stab you. That they choose not to do it makes them better than someone who never even thinks about it.

It's the power of choice and self-control that really matters.

If "It's the power of choice, and self-control that really matters" they would have never done it in the first place..
 

Alski

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People don't start evil, they are a product of their environment.
 

Crimsonsake

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People who start out evil and become good are better than people who are born good.

Changing takes real effort, being naturally good is easy in comparison. Their goodness is earned, not just given.

They could choose to do something fun like stab you. That they choose not to do it makes them better than someone who never even thinks about it.

It's the power of choice and self-control that really matters.
There no such thing as being naturally Good or bad.
In the process of growing up we learn things from parents, relatives and all the adults in our life.

If a child is being rewarded for doing selfish things {Bribing for basic behavior: Parents who offer treats or rewards to children simply for behaving normally teach kids to expect compensation for actions they should do anyway, reinforcing self-centered thinking} and punished for doing good {Standing up to bullies: Children who physically defend themselves or others from bullies often face suspension or detention under zero-tolerance fighting policies} The inherent value system of the child gets screwed up. Of course a single instance may not be the cause but these behaviour gets compounded.

Growing up and questioning the things you grew up learning is very hard choice. Because this raise a finger on thier identity. And changing that takes years of effort.

This logic also applies in stories. When you see a bad character turned to Good but there has to some type of intervention whether it can a person, event or a sudden realisation.

Always keep the bad person age in mind. Because it play a important role, younger character usually are more fluid in thier thinking and as he grow old the value he learned become more tough to change.

Hope this helps.
 

Crimsonsake

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Age is just a number.

Hope this helps.
young protagonists authentically undergo dramatic worldview shifts through their arcs, while older mentor figures or antagonists would realistically maintain consistent value systems. A 20-year-old character experiencing their magical awakening could believably transform from selfish to altruistic, but a 45-year-old antagonist would require deeper psychological disruption to justify fundamental value changes.
 

laccoff_mawning

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Are not good and evil always a choice?

The idea that some people are naturally good and somehow others aren't is stupid. Either everyone is born good, or no-one is born good. Take your pick.
 

Fairemont

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Are not good and evil always a choice?

The idea that some people are naturally good and somehow others aren't is stupid. Either everyone is born good, or no-one is born good. Take your pick.
Id say that good and evil are both choices. I think, left to their own devices, that most people will trend towards good because humans are naturally empathetic and community-oriented/social creatures, but choosing evil gets to be a lot easier when nothing is done about it. Humans are also naturally selfish creatures with survival instincts, so selfishness and forms of greed are naturally occuring.

Society has to make humans into what it wants. Good, or bad.
 

Worthy39

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Yeah, my story just starts the protagonist off as a good guy, but over time, he questions whether or not he himself is actually good, or just a bad person fighting for a good cause. So, I guess a bit of moral dilemma is enjoyable, but it doesn't necessarily make a character the better character.
 

SternenklarenRitter

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All people are good. Evil is an illusion caused by fear, pain, and hunger. Someone who is hungry, afraid, or suffering in pain can be stripped of their dignity and become capable of monstrous acts. But at their core, they still are not evil. A truly evil person can exist only in fiction.
 

Worthy39

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All people are good. Evil is an illusion caused by fear, pain, and hunger. Someone who is hungry, afraid, or suffering in pain can be stripped of their dignity and become capable of monstrous acts. But at their core, they still are not evil. A truly evil person can exist only in fiction.
As an evil person, I'm deeply offended by this nonsense.
 

AnonUnlimited

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There is a universal good and bad.
However, there is no one born good in reality.
Those who are evil and become good, generally stick to it better than those who just 'think' they are good when in reality they're just not going out of their way to do evil things.

That's the premise I go by.
 
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