Is using AI is wrong?

[TomoKrishna]

I read so many posts, some support it and some against it
For suppose if someone has story, idea, dialogues but he use AI for discriptions, actions, brain stroming ideas( like taking 1 from 100 ideas), proof reading, all related to technical stuff, is it wrong?
I use for proof reading i mean I am indian if I write, it not come in native flow, it comes in Indian English, I think by chatting with ai we get more ideas some times other than we foucusing, I don't use for story and dialogues because 99% times it gives without emotions,

I assume a plot and while writing i go into chracter and mainly reader pov, what will there think and automatically I get all loop holes in that, are you also same? Well it's unrelated to topic

Coming to the topic, when some technology comes some against it but after so many years they will adopt to it, right? Like after 10 or 20 years I think all will use it because it is there as resource

I am pretty confused of so many posts and come to conclusion, it depends on how you use, but that's exactly I am blocked
I still think is there some one just give promt to write this plot to Ai, take the answer and paste in website? They will read, right? They will modify it, right? Without modify and working hours on it, is someone just copy and paste it in website? If they do, I agree to they can't use ai, but if not I think it is good to take help, ofcourse from friends, relatives opinion too, ultimately the story have to good for reading, right?

 

[Sagas]

It is not bad to use AI, as long as it is only correcting grammar while keeping the same intent of the writing. You can also ask for help in pointing out where the flow could be smoother, which you can then modify yourself. This makes AI a helpful tool, especially when asking for tactics on how to align different points of view in writing. Using AI in this way is perfectly fine. What I despise is when people let AI create an entire story for them. Even if the result reads flawlessly, it lacks the intent of a human. It becomes monotone, leaving a bitter taste in your mouth, one you can only spit out in disappointment.?

 

[Arkus86]

The main problem with using AI is if you use it to write your story for you. That is, give it an idea, and post the result.
Using it as a language tool (translation, grammar check...) is perhaps more understandable, but runs a risk of the AI changing your story where it realy should not, if you're not careful about the output. It also tends to give anything the soulless AI feel. So you can learn from what it tells you, but better to just use the lesson to improve your own writing. Same for brainstorming, feel free to use it, but do not copy the result, use your own words.
Similar for using it if you're just looking up some information - it's fine to do so, but you must triple-check the result. You can't trust AI blindly, because sometimes it just spouts bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 206441]

I use for proof reading i mean I am indian if I write,

I have a question, no judgment:
When you get A.I. to correct your grammar /proofread, afterwards, do you then go, "Oh, that was wrong, I see, and that is correct, now, I know not to do that in the future, and I understand how and why that is."?

If you don't learn it the first time the A.I. change it for you, how many times for it to correct you will it take for you to learn it?

Do you imagine one day you will learn without needing A.I. to proofread, or are you envisioning a forever situation where you will never learn?

 

[TomoKrishna]

I have a question, no judgment:
When you get A.I. to correct your grammar /proofread, afterwards, do you then go, "Oh, that was wrong, I see, and that is correct, now, I know not to do that in the future, and I understand how and why that is."?

If you don't learn it the first time the A.I. change it for you, how many times for it to correct you will it take for you to learn it?

Do you imagine one day you will learn without needing A.I. to proofread, or are you envisioning a forever situation where you will never learn?

I think even then i may use because my English is habituated from my childhood i can't talk natively, ofcourse I lot a learn of new words and punctuations, from when I start, if I see that draft of 1st chapter, literally i think did i write that? Infact at first by reading i don't see any mistakes but now just seeing one word I can see the difference like don't, can't, won't, it's just a letter difference, but the meaning is changing whole

The main problem with using AI is if you use it to write your story for you. That is, give it an idea, and post the result.
Using it as a language tool (translation, grammar check...) is perhaps more understandable, but runs a risk of the AI changing your story where it realy should not, if you're not careful about the output. It also tends to give anything the soulless AI feel. So you can learn from what it tells you, but better to just use the lesson to improve your own writing. Same for brainstorming, feel free to use it, but do not copy the result, use your own words.
Similar for using it if you're just looking up some information - it's fine to do so, but you must triple-check the result. You can't trust AI blindly, because sometimes it just spouts bullshit.

Yeah, for brainstorming it gives ideas but without tweaking and polishing in our own way it is not good, in message i said one unrelated topic right? That is, for suppose I take idea of game round but while writing i get a 10 loopholes I have tweak all, first i have to get confidence can I pull off that in writing, and same as writing, dialogues, story are mine, even if it change I will check and change, the editing part takes more hours than writing for me,


And for the first paragraph, that is my question, is anyone can just give promt and paste the result in novel uploading platforms like this?

It is not bad to use AI, as long as it is only correcting grammar while keeping the same intent of the writing. You can also ask for help in pointing out where the flow could be smoother, which you can then modify yourself. This makes AI a helpful tool, especially when asking for tactics on how to align different points of view in writing. Using AI in this way is perfectly fine. What I despise is when people let AI create an entire story for them. Even if the result reads flawlessly, it lacks the intent of a human. It becomes monotone, leaving a bitter taste in your mouth, one you can only spit out in disappointment.?

Ofcourse i will edit like that, for example i will write in doc and sometimes give dialogues and ask action and discription because some even I imagine i can't get the words for that, and after writing whole I will give the chapter and ask mistakes and line by line i correct it myself and if I don't satisfy I will ask, yours is wrong, my intention in that dialogue is not that, and read the final one once again is it looking good, but who will use ai to create entire story and post it? Are they actually want to write a story?

 

[Deleted member 166465]

Everyone has ideas, EVERYONE!
What makes you a writer is not having an idea, is the ability to comunicate with writen words what you are thinking. What deference there is between Luke skywalker and harry potter? or even Paul atreides, or any of the orphans from the narnia chronicles? None, they are all the same character, with the same background, just the scenario changes... even their support characters are the same, Aslan the lion, dumbledor, yoda, they all the same. So, why does it work every time? Simple the writer voice, their words make you live the story.
So what point is there, if you have a story but have no voice? The AI is doing the heavy lifting, syou become just a glorified supervisor.
Another thing, AI dont create, it rearanges and copy from preexisting words and style, if someone with a lot of background in reading reads a story made by AI, they will fing out that the "created story" is actually a copy of some famous writer style, if you ask it to write horror it will probably copy S. King. and the miss match other styles from other writers, if you pay atention you can notice.
You ask for an elf portrait to an IA and you get orlando bloom and that tyler girl mixed in once and again and again. Why? becouse AI can not create something that doesnt exist, it just copy what exist and mixes it up, do some modifications and Voila, you get... what ever that is.
Anyway; the problem with IA is that its job is bad, might start well but becomes trash and is totally unoriginal, if you are an avid reader you will see the truth between the cracks.
Proofread and spellchecking, that is all you should use AI or other tools for, not even rephrasing. That is, if you want to be a writer.
Write your story, with your literary voice, with your emotions (in my case lack there of), with your words, mistakes, quirks and irrationality.
Be a writer not a Clanker supervisor.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

USING it? Not wrong. Relying on it as a crutch or a partner? Absolutely wrong.

 

[Worthy39]

Yeah, I struggle with creating paragraphs and spelling a few words correctly, so I do have the AI help me separate my giant text blocks into multiple paragraphs, and check for any grammar or spelling issues, but the story writing itself is all mine. Would I write a story using only AI? Yes, I'd absolutely do that, but not a published one. Just a goofy story to laugh at because it makes no sense, not because it's good.

 

[Arkus86]

And for the first paragraph, that is my question, is anyone can just give promt and paste the result in novel uploading platforms like this?

Concerning SH, it's against the content guidelines, but people do it anyway. Can't speak for other sites, but I assume the same to hold true.

 

[DireBadger]

Concerning SH, it's against the content guidelines, but people do it anyway. Can't speak for other sites, but I assume the same to hold true.

Yeah, and they get chopped off too. Trust me, it's obvious.

 

[mythosandmagic]

I write exclusively in AutoCrit, which has some handy AI-assisted tools. But I always follow my voice and creativity.
I primarily use Grammarly for checking punctuation and sentence structure. I even have to fight it off because it wants to change things so aggressively. But, in the end, it is always my voice, my characters, and my story.
I think that's what you need to look out for when you use these new tools. Otherwise, it might be your idea, but the story isn't yours in the end.
IMHO.

 

[goth_dropping_in]

I think currently some of the best results come from authors who actually know something about how to prompt and how to use the artform that the AI is good at.

Current LLMs tend to fill in work that's technically strong but lacking in direction and style. The AI's style dominates.

However, a skilled artist or prompter working in combination with an AI can use it to automate out busywork or use it to expand their talents, creating something with more intent and direction behind it than the AI itself can provide. And where bland but technically decent work will do, AI can serve that purpose well.

Personally I haven't explored using AI on writing yet — my work is too personal to hand away any part of it to a machine, even if a machine would do a technically better job of it than me — but I'm fine with e.g. using AI to generate covers, illustrations, etc, especially if you're producing your work for free and couldn't afford to commission an artist anyway.

 

[AnEmberOfSundown]

I sometimes use it as a test audience. I write a passage, send it to the AI and ask for an analysis. Then I repeat that without changing anything. After a few passes, I get an idea if the imagery/themes/plot points that I had intended to convey are coming through. If I get weird responses or analyses that don't align with my intent then I go back, edit it, and try again.

Never take the output without critical examination, it's math pretending to be people. You are people.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

I sometimes use it as a test audience. I write a passage, send it to the AI and ask for an analysis. Then I repeat that without changing anything. After a few passes, I get an idea if the imagery/themes/plot points that I had intended to convey are coming through. If I get weird responses or analyses that don't align with my intent then I go back, edit it, and try again.

Never take the output without critical examination, it's math pretending to be people. You are people.

AI readers are, essentially, carnival cold readers. Unless you explicitly tell them what to look for and what not to, they will reply in the vaguest of terms, and almost always put a positive spin on it, every time.

 

[DireBadger]

you can 'force' it to give you both positive and negative reviews, but it still tries to err on the side of 'feelgood'.

and most of it's 'advice' is shallow pap. AI simply cannot understand nuance unless you point it out, and could explain why even converted-from-chinese versions of velociraptor porn is genius writing.

Then again, unlike *cough* SH readers, at least it gives you a response.

 

[AnEmberOfSundown]

AI readers are, essentially, carnival cold readers. Unless you explicitly tell them what to look for and what not to, they will reply in the vaguest of terms, and almost always put a positive spin on it, every time.

Exactly, and knowing that fact means you can use it to your advantage.

Is it going to be insightful? No. But will it reliably spot plot holes for you? Also no. Big no. What it does tell me is what sorts of ideas a statistically average, somewhat-engaged reader might pick up on. One answer doesn't tell you anything useful though, so I usually refresh the analysis a half dozen times before I start actually looking for anything.

If the same ideas keep popping up across different questions then there might be some validity to reexamining what I wrote. Might. Still take it as a grain of salt. The trick is to not treat it like a person. It's a machine, like an x-ray. You might see a shadow on a bone in one image, but you'll need multiple tomographic views AND a radiologist to figure out if it's cancer or just a shadow that the machine saw.

Then again, unlike *cough* SH readers, at least it gives you a response.

I felt that. I really felt that.

 

[ph03nix]

I read so many posts, some support it and some against it
For suppose if someone has story, idea, dialogues but he use AI for discriptions, actions, brain stroming ideas( like taking 1 from 100 ideas), proof reading, all related to technical stuff, is it wrong?
I use for proof reading i mean I am indian if I write, it not come in native flow, it comes in Indian English, I think by chatting with ai we get more ideas some times other than we foucusing, I don't use for story and dialogues because 99% times it gives without emotions,

I assume a plot and while writing i go into chracter and mainly reader pov, what will there think and automatically I get all loop holes in that, are you also same? Well it's unrelated to topic

Coming to the topic, when some technology comes some against it but after so many years they will adopt to it, right? Like after 10 or 20 years I think all will use it because it is there as resource

I am pretty confused of so many posts and come to conclusion, it depends on how you use, but that's exactly I am blocked
I still think is there some one just give promt to write this plot to Ai, take the answer and paste in website? They will read, right? They will modify it, right? Without modify and working hours on it, is someone just copy and paste it in website? If they do, I agree to they can't use ai, but if not I think it is good to take help, ofcourse from friends, relatives opinion too, ultimately the story have to good for reading, right?

I think using AI to certain extent is good enough for creativity. I only use to for paraphrasing and getting new unused vocab into work, even for my college work. But the problem is its monotonocity. It will always try to do the minimum effort to create something unique. If you brainstorm with it, always delete the content after saving it other file. But most of the times AI learns on the mechanism of inputting data from maximalised user content, chances are high that AI may include plaigarised data from someone's content into your stream. Or if your innovative idea is also prone to plaiguirism by sharing it to the AI. The company might say that they have privacy policy but thats how AI works though.

 

[DireBadger]

Well, I have learned the hard way that most readers respond by ignoring your actual book and sending you private messages where they try to sell you artwork.

 

[AnEmberOfSundown]

Well, I have learned the hard way that most readers respond by ignoring your actual book and sending you private messages where they try to sell you artwork.

 

[AnEmberOfSundown]

I forgot another good reason for using AI: So you can learn what AI sounds like. Take this comment:

Okay so the way you write the group dynamics? I can literally picture every single interaction so vividly, and the banter is chef’s kiss perfection Theron being his dramatic, over the top self, Liriel’s sass, Kael’s smooth vibes, and Eya trying to keep it together? My heart And the way you weave in all the city life, the smells, the little details like the bread and rum so immersive, I feel like I’m there with them Honestly, I’m obsessed

Sounds better than the generic intro we all get. Actually mentions characters and their correct mannerisms. Mentions sensory details. Almost sounds legit, right? Prelude to another scammer. Probably written with Claude, based on the use of "chef's kiss".

Inoculate yourself by learning what they sound like.