Question re: beastmen, beastkin etc in Isekai stories...

[naosu]

So I recently ran into a few stories where the beastmen or beastkin, etc were FURRIES. Like having hairy fur and no human faces even. Their more animal then humanoid, and can barely be called humanoid at all.

An example is here. Although this is a pretty good story, I don't like his view of beastkin, beastmen etc having FUR.

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And then recently I'd been seeing that other people had this similar view of FURRIES, rather than the classical catgirl example, where it was just a sexy woman with a tail and cat ears, maybe throw in some claws.

To me furries seems gross. You wouldn't want a wife or girlfriend with FUR instead of skin ALL OVER her body. So I don't understand why people do the characters this way instead of the 'classical catgirl' type of model where the catgirl looks about 95% human.

Why do they do that? And what do you think?

Edited in later; I guess what I want to also say is I'm a bit worried people will all think of furries instead of the classical style like version of how they did catgirls. And a lot of the work I've put into stories use a classical catgirl type of structure. I'm concerned about how this would affect readers looking at a story...

 

[kelmor]

Like, I have a preference here, but I think there’s room for both, even in the same setting. I try not to yuck other peoples’ yum.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

Both

I'm concerned about how this would affect readers looking at a story...

Really, don't worry about it there's an audience for both, and the majority don't have strong preferences.

 

[ThisAdamGuy]

Furries are absolutely disgusting and I have no tolerance for them. Make them go away!

 

[naosu]

Like, I have a preference here, but I think there’s room for both, even in the same setting. I try not to yuck other peoples’ yum.

Ah, your right. I should be more careful. I'll repent. And I do get how you could use both.
I did remember a novel I read had cat people, that were a small 3 foot tall furry kind of smart cats were written into a story as adventurer 'advisors'. And that concept was pretty well done. It worked also because they were more like child like people and not romance material but like advisors.

 

[Anonjohn20]

"Classical catgirl" you do realize fully anthro characters came first, right?" In the 60s, the Japs were exporting manga to the West, and the West was exporting adult comix (not comics). They saw the furry stuff and adopted it long before the animal ear trend was mainstream.

 

[naosu]

"Classical catgirl" you do realize fully anthro characters came first, right?" In the 60s, the Japs were exporting manga to the West, and the West was exporting adult comix (not comics). They saw the furry stuff and adopted it long before the animal ear trend was mainstream.

That I didn't know. I'd only seen what I call the classical catgirl stuff with human bone structure and human skin. But I'd be willing to hear more.

I also thought many manga had better stories before the recent porn influx. Too many porn stories will do just porn or comedy without a good solid story. Or they'll make light of their own plot. I just hope for all stories to be done well and for us to have access to good stories.

Like, here's an example, the anime 'Heroic Age', was extremely well done and I haven't seen very many new ones try to get to that level of quality.

 

[Anonjohn20]

I also thought many manga had better stories before the recent porn influx.

You are correct there. What genres are you into?

 

[Arkus86]

While I do have preference, it really depends more on how they fit into the setting and story, rather than the body type itself.

I also thought many manga had better stories before the recent porn influx. Too many porn stories will do just porn or comedy without a good solid story. Or they'll make light of their own plot.

It certainly feels like a lot of the more recent anime/manga has more focus on fanservice and stupid comedy, at the expense of actual plot and worldbuilding. It's not that there was none of that before, but it felt more integrated into the story, if that makes sense.

 

[Cipiteca396]

I'm fine with either, but I'd also like to have the third option: shifter/lycanthrope types.

 

[naosu]

I'm fine with either, but I'd also like to have the third option: shifter/lycanthrope types.

Oh yes... we NEED weres and shiters.

 

[Echimera]

Like, I have a preference here, but I think there’s room for both, even in the same setting. I try not to yuck other peoples’ yum.

Elder Scrolls casually said yes and merged all iterations of cat-people into one species.

 

[naosu]

I'm surprised the voting started to go the other way around... :O

 

[l8rose]

Why no scalies or cetaceans?

It's less about the fur and more about the not-human aspect. I'd even say culture has become a lot more open about what people like to read/see. We're no longer closeted weirdos. Personally, I just like monsters as I am not a monster and am a perfectly normal human, with perfectly human parts.

 

[Anonjohn20]

I am not a monster and am a perfectly normal human, with perfectly human parts.

That's exactly what a monster hiding within human society would say!

 

[JayMark]

Oh yes... we NEED weres and shiters.

Weres the shiter? ? ?

That said, talking animals and human-animal hybrids of various constructions have been a feature of storytelling since the dawn of humanity and that isn't going to change.

 

[naosu]

Why no scalies or cetaceans?

It's less about the fur and more about the not-human aspect. I'd even say culture has become a lot more open about what people like to read/see. We're no longer closeted weirdos. Personally, I just like monsters as I am not a monster and am a perfectly normal human, with perfectly human parts.

I like naga girls for scalies. :) But its hard to work out the details and art for them. Like I struggle with, OK with a naga girl should the snake body start below the hip actually or above where the hip starts? And does the transition to skin above that is it abrupt or sort of got a transition of like scale bebbles in the skin for a bit, or an exact stoppage? I think it would be interesting to make naga girls a female only race too.

I still like no fur for many things that are romance partner characters. But I can see where people would like have a guide that has fur or a Mr. Miyagi mentor that might be a furry.

 

[l8rose]

That's exactly what a monster hiding within human society would say!

I admit nothing!

Mobile is being a pain and won't let me quote other messages but generally, I treat the snake part of a Naga as starting at the hip because its a bendy part on humans. Makes more sense to me from a bones perspective.

But hey, that's what the imagination is for because I always picture Naga with scales going like a treasure trail in the middle of the abs...

 

[RepresentingPride]

So I recently ran into a few stories where the beastmen or beastkin, etc were FURRIES. Like having hairy fur and no human faces even. Their more animal then humanoid, and can barely be called humanoid at all.

An example is here. Although this is a pretty good story, I don't like his view of beastkin, beastmen etc having FUR.

Read Manga - Craft Game no Nouryoku de Isekai Kouryaku!!

Craft Game no Nouryoku de Isekai Kouryaku!! (クラフトゲームの能力で異世界攻略!!) is an isekai manga that puts a refreshing twist on the genre by combining the thrill of survival in another world with the creativity of crafting game mechanics. The story follows a protagonist who, after being transported to a...

readmanga.cc

And then recently I'd been seeing that other people had this similar view of FURRIES, rather than the classical catgirl example, where it was just a sexy woman with a tail and cat ears, maybe throw in some claws.

To me furries seems gross. You wouldn't want a wife or girlfriend with FUR instead of skin ALL OVER her body. So I don't understand why people do the characters this way instead of the 'classical catgirl' type of model where the catgirl looks about 95% human.

Why do they do that? And what do you think?

Edited in later; I guess what I want to also say is I'm a bit worried people will all think of furries instead of the classical style like version of how they did catgirls. And a lot of the work I've put into stories use a classical catgirl type of structure. I'm concerned about how this would affect readers looking at a story...

Why not separating them in different race or just go Beastmen = Furry, Demi-Human = catgirl
You can have Demi-Human for every race that you could imagine and depending of the bloodline of the parent, you can have it more or less "furry" on the scaling, having just cat ears and tail or having a bit of fur, etc...

 

[RepresentingWrath]

I don't like 'furries' in romance but 'furries' in action are cool.