I've been wondering...

TestingTeddy

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Do you ever look through the competition/ colleagues?

When ever I look through the trending novels, I check their stats and SURPRISE!

They have just as much or even less chapters than me but their views and favs are in the thousands. If they had other novels here, I would have understood it but there was only one.

So, the question is how do they do it? Are they that talented? Are they using bots? or am I just overthinking this?
 

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Well, if you look carefully at the genres and tags, you will find that most of the novels in trending are either harem, smut, smut and harem or wish-fulfillment with a side of reincarnation (better yet if it has a male to female protagonist). I'm not saying that's the only kind of stories that go into trending, or that if your story has harem and smut it will be bad automatically, but it's what people look for the most in this site. Anime kind of plots are popular here, that's just how it is.

Of course, you require a certain amount of writing ability, I suppose, otherwise if your writing it's all over the place it won't get any attention, but to say it bluntly, the kind of plot it's what make most of the stories have that many views and favs.
 

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Yeah. Harem? Smut? BOOM. I think there was a popular villainess novel up there too.
But I think the crowd a novel gets on the first couple chapters is also really important to create a 'wave effect'. If they immediately get like 60 favs and 2000 views when they post the next ch 3 days later, BOOM trending. Then they get more views and favs. It feeds into exposure. So synopsis and the first day the novel displays on the 'new novels' section is also relevant?

At least this is my 10:35 PM logics *salutes* no promises
 

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Well, there are a lot of factors that might make someone reach Trending while you don't.

1) Their story is better than yours. Pretty straight-forward, better stuff has better chances of getting more readers.
2) They are writing about things that appeal to the general public better than yours do. If more people like the kind of story they are writing, chances are, they'll get more readers.
3) They had a better release pace. People tend to read stuff that updates regularly more easily than stuff that updates irregularly... Because far too many webnovels are dropped and never finished, and stuff with regular updates tend to have more chances of being completed.
4) They advertised more than you. Scribbly's front page is by far the best advertising tool you have, but it doesn't mean it's the only one. Talking to people about your novel, asking friends to read it, putting it in your signature, asking the readers to recommend the novel to their friends... There are plenty of other methods one can try using to get new readers.
5) They already had an establish number of readers in another site, and then those readers migrated when they migrated their novel to Scribbly. Should be pretty straight-forward for this one. You got extra readers from the previous site, plus new readers from the new site.
6) They reached trending before. Once you reach trending, you'll naturally get new readers because your novel will get extra exposure. What this means is that you now have a bigger number of readers, which means a bigger chance of reaching trending again in a few days.
 

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They have the (un)holy trinity of genres. Harem, Adult, Fantasy.

For real, probably because; the (un)holy trinity, or they are just that good/lucky, or already have readers from other platforms. Probably the first or the third tho.
 
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probably sold their soul to satan for anime catgirls.

and that's how they got that motivated to write, i guess.

i don't think competition is relevant for me since i write and read for a hobby. if their story is interesting to me, i will read them, else i will just skip them.
 

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Thanks for the replies.

Honestly, I understand everyone's point.

I think that I just want my thoughts to be agreed with because deep down I know that most, or even all, the things you guys said were true.

To the guy that said writing is a hobby, I think competition and comparing oneself is healthy to further improve one's hobby. This is because when one gets better and gets recognized, you feel that your hobby isn't just something for yourself but also for others.
 

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Thanks for the replies.

Honestly, I understand everyone's point.

I think that I just want my thoughts to be agreed with because deep down I know that most, or even all, the things you guys said were true.

To the guy that said writing is a hobby, I think competition and comparing oneself is healthy to further improve one's hobby. This is because when one gets better and gets recognized, you feel that your hobby isn't just something for yourself but also for others.
Personally, I found writing prompts to be hit or miss things. Either I saw it and felt like a waste of time, or I immediately had an idea for it and made a masterpiece. Mostly the former, though.

All in all, I found them limiting my creativity, and I usually hated when there are limitations that are not appealing to me.
 

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Personally, I found writing prompts to be hit or miss things. Either I saw it and felt like a waste of time, or I immediately had an idea for it and made a masterpiece. Mostly the former, though.

All in all, I found them limiting my creativity, and I usually hated when there are limitations that are not appealing to me.
I think they're interesting, but usually not worth the time... I like... I tried competing for SSSC VI, and like... I was one of the winners and had less than 1000 views I think?

I joined because I thought I'd get good exposure from it, but the amount of views I got was pretty darn pitiful, and it was the same for everyone participating.

So... I felt like there wasn't much point in participating in other contests like that one. (Well, Alverost isn't hosting them anymore anyways, so I wouldn't compete even if I wanted! xD)

Still, they were fun for the time before I tried writing my own novel... But nowadays I just feel like I'd rather work on a new chapter of my novel over working on a writing prompt.
 
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Thanks for the replies.

Honestly, I understand everyone's point.

I think that I just want my thoughts to be agreed with because deep down I know that most, or even all, the things you guys said were true.

To the guy that said writing is a hobby, I think competition and comparing oneself is healthy to further improve one's hobby. This is because when one gets better and gets recognized, you feel that your hobby isn't just something for yourself but also for others.

when i just started writing, i used to think like that, but in the end, I found them to be more of personal preference than skill.

if you're writing to please the judges and the audience, you win, but if not, too bad.

i kinda got over it when i just couldn't find enjoyment writing like that, especially since my topics tend to be niche and i don't give a damn what others like. if i just love it so much, i want to write it all the way.

after i'm able to describe things in a way i find easy to understand, my skill didn't matter as much to me, but more about finding things that are worth writing.

if i were to have an audience, i'd prefer if we see things in the same light. or if not, i will just find somewhere else that can accept me.

while it's nice to have someone appreciating you, i won't rely on it to decide what i'm going to write.

if there's no one, that's fine as well. people always come and go but i'm the only one who always stay there.. what matters is writing what i love the most, and no one in the world can change that.
 
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when i just started writing, i used to think like that, but in the end, I found them to be more of personal preference than skill.

if you're writing to please the judges and the audience, you win, but if not, too bad.

i kinda got over it when i just couldn't find enjoyment writing like that, especially since my topics tend to be niche and i don't give a damn what others like. if i just love it so much, i want to write it all the way.

after i'm able to describe things in a way i find easy to understand, my skill didn't matter as much to me, but more about finding things that are worth writing.

if i were to have an audience, i'd prefer if we see things in the same light. or if not, i will just find somewhere else that can accept me.

while it's nice to have someone appreciating you, i won't rely on it to decide what i'm going to write.

if there's no one, that's fine as well. people always come and go but i'm the only one who always stay there.. what matters is writing what i love the most, and no one in the world can change that.
This post really resonated with my thought process. :blob_sir:

I, at first, also aimed to write a story that others would find captivating and intriguing; well, it didn't work out when I tried. I had no enjoyment writing generic stuff that specifically targeted the audience of ScribbleHub or RoyalRoad.

All of them just came crumbling out onto me when I realised that my genre preference and theme ( literally Greece tragedy ) are very niche and unique.

Since then, I just wrote for what I thought was right and logical. Screw you readers who skimmed and complained when I didn't spell out the exact reasons why the characters reacted like that. Love you tho, readers who hated me for the suffering the MC went through; I survived and lived for your tears.
 

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If it weren't for checking out the competition, I never would have become successful or even knew that web serials were a valid way of making money. As ashamed as I am for this since I've moved away from this kind of mindset, back when I first discovered web serials, I was thinking, "Wait, seriously? These guys are at the top (of RR) and making this much money with this quality of writing? Why aren't I doing this since I love writing and am better than this?" So, it can be useful to motivate you. Of course, my first ever story ended up being a total flop that barely got 40 readers even after 3 months. I had much better luck with my following series, thankfully, and I no longer view other authors as competition. I'm much more all about solidarity with my fellow authors, and I don't believe that any of us are any better or worse than the other since I genuinely believe it's all subjective. Now, I'm sure that some people might check the top stories here, see mine, and have the exact same thought process that I had when I started. They probably think I'm trash and that they're better, and they use that as motivation to become successful. I hope it works for them. Nowadays, I only look through other authors' stories out of curiosity. I like to know who's writing what, how other authors are faring, what readers are most interested in at the moment, and so on.

if you're writing to please the judges and the audience, you win, but if not, too bad.

This is, unfortunately, true in most cases. I'm extremely lucky because what I genuinely want to write for and to myself without caring the slightest about my audience is what people want to read. I'm weeb trash and I genuinely love to write weeb trash for myself. The only audience I care about pleasing is myself. But if what you want to genuinely write is some really niche thing that nobody has ever heard of... the odds aren't in your favor no matter how happy you might make yourself. Regardless of that, if you're passionate about writing, I 100% believe you should write exactly what you want to write and not what anybody else wants you to write. Pandering to an audience other than yourself is only worth it if you only care about making as much money as possible and if you're not going to hate your own writing as a result. For example, don't be like furry artists who are disgusted by their own work and only doing it because it's profitable, thus turning their passion into hatred.

To the guy that said writing is a hobby, I think competition and comparing oneself is healthy to further improve one's hobby. This is because when one gets better and gets recognized, you feel that your hobby isn't just something for yourself but also for others.

It can be healthy, but it can also be incredibly unhealthy. I see artists (writers, artist artists, sculptors, etc,) frequently compare themselves to others... and it drives them into depression because they don't feel that they're improving quickly enough, that they'll never be as good, never be as fast, never become as successful or popular, and so on. You have to really approach it from a healthy perspective and still be careful not to focus on the wrong things. Personally, I'm selfish. I still consider writing to be my love, my passion, my hobby, etc. I only write for myself and I only compete with / compare against my past self. If you can make competition and comparing yourself against others work for you in a healthy way, then I recommend it. But if it ever does more harm than good, which it can very easily and frequently do, then I suggest immediately stop worrying about how others are.
 
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This is, unfortunately, true in most cases. I'm extremely lucky because what I genuinely want to write for and to myself without caring the slightest about my audience is what people want to read. I'm weeb trash and I genuinely love to write weeb trash for myself. The only audience I care about pleasing is myself. But if what you want to genuinely write is some really niche thing that nobody has ever heard of... the odds aren't in your favor no matter how happy you might make yourself. Regardless of that, if you're passionate about writing, I 100% believe you should write exactly what you want to write and not what anybody else wants you to write. Pandering to an audience other than yourself is only worth it if you only care about making as much money as possible and if you're not going to hate your own writing as a result. For example, don't be like furry artists who are disgusted by their own work and only doing it because it's profitable, thus turning their passion into hatred.

mad props for you man, reading this makes me happy for your success as well. :D /

i don't really plan to make it a living though, more of a self-therapy since i kinda have some serious mental illness i couldn't really explain to others, and i have severe trust issues to people in general.

while i can't make even a buck or be popular from it, at least it made me stay alive and happy. guess it's the thing that matters most.

and lol, furry artists. made me wonder why so many rich people are furries or are they just like some random people who invest too much into gacha games 'cuz it's their hobby?

It can be healthy, but it can also be incredibly unhealthy. I see artists (writers, artist artists, sculptors, etc,) frequently compare themselves to others... and it drives them into depression because they don't feel that they're improving quickly enough, that they'll never be as good, never be as fast, never become as successful or popular, and so on. You have to really approach it from a healthy perspective and still be careful not to focus on the wrong things. Personally, I'm selfish. I still consider writing to be my love, my passion, my hobby, etc. I only write for myself and I only compete with / compare against my past self. If you can make competition and comparing yourself against others work for you in a healthy way, then I recommend it. But if it ever does more harm than good, which it can very easily and frequently do, then I suggest immediately stop worrying about how others are.

yeah, this. it's the primary thing that made me depressed, the few years i started writing.

when i entered some writing competition, the winning entry really sucks for me, and i don't understand why the judges and others like this. the more they praised it to death, the angrier i felt.

that's when someone told me, competition doesn't matter--you're just picking based on your personal interests. and when it's my turn to be the judge, it really hit me hard, that i'm just the same as them. i only look at those that interest me, and no matter how good the writing seem to be, i just couldn't care if it doesn't appeal to me.

i guess, it made me think, that judging stories based on a general standard is pretty narrow-minded of me. and how much my life would be happier, if i just accept that not all people will like your work, 'cuz different people like different things.

in the end, i think the only healthy competition is, like you said, to become better than your past self. it's particularly healthy, if i focus on writing, things that are beneficial for my own life, not just simply for entertainment. that i could pour fourth all my frustration and despair, and turn it into something warm and healing. by doing so, I no longer feel alone in this world. i no longer feel powerless, and actually have the strength to change my life, my fate--every single thing in it--to something much, much better.

and for that, i can look back to myself in the past decade, to see how far i went, from when I started.

my audience may not be growing at all, but as a person, writing made me grow to become the person i want to be, and live how i want.

while i can't go on to the details 'cuz it concerned my private life, i can happily said--if I didn't pick up writing, I probably wouldn't have lived to this day.

peace out, and many thanks for sharing your thoughts :D
 

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I firmly believe that it is my GL tag that made my story even mildly successful by any standards. Even then I have never hit trending.
This means that in any other platform I'd flunk and be obscure.
 

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I firmly believe that it is my GL tag that made my story even mildly successful by any standards. Even then I have never hit trending.
This means that in any other platform I'd flunk and be obscure.
You're first place in trending, congratulations.
 

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Look, this short message might be underwhelming considering the giant paragraphs on the above but watching the trending tab is NEVER the way to gauge your worth.

Listen, quality is subjective. Only you can judge whether something's good in your opinion or not. Unless it's tetanus, then that's bad news. Other than that, don't see. Read for yourself.

If you really want to chase numbers, what you should be doing is examining the statistics and make cross-references with genre, tags, and their cover arts. From the batch, pick whatever is the easiest and you're on your way to Clout Station.
 
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