Philosophical question?

[Representing_Tromba]

If a person is cursed to speak only the truth and nothing else, who's truth, or what truth do they espous? Do they have the infinite knowledge of the universe to speak its truth or are they limited to their own understanding of truth? Is truth what they believe to be truth or what is factually true? Does truth require experience or are they beholden to the mystery of our creation, whether purposeful or accidental? What is truth and how do they speak it? Where does the truth come from? How can we be certain the truth that they speak is true to the full extent of its implications? Who can witness for such truths?

Please discuss with civility and peace.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

 

[GreenLemonShark]

If it’s just a normal person, I’d say they’re only capable of speaking the truth they personally know. If they don’t know the truth of a subject, they either wouldn’t be able to speak on it at all, or they’d have to explicitly say, “I don’t know” or “This isn’t the truth.” The curse wouldn’t force them to magically know things beyond their own understanding.

But if we’re talking about a higher being, like a god, demigod, or something or someone with more knowledge than a regular person, then sure, they’d probably have access to 'greater truths' beyond what humans can comprehend.

But it would be funny to imagine a cursed mortal just sitting there in silence anytime someone asks them a complicated question. “Can’t answer. Don’t know the truth..”

 

[A_veil_of_red_ink]

Well, it depends on the word 'truth.' The universe is infinite; if we assume that, knowledge will break our mind and shatter our soul.

The universe being puts limitations on us, like we can't travel at light speed and we can't comprehend the 4th dimension. Why not? Bcz it'll break us?

The truth is the perception of what we know now, and what comes from our knowledge.

These questions will make this idea more vivid—

-Is doing dr*gs wrong?

-Is GOD real?

Both questions ask for an opinion; if you do dr*gs, it'll be right for you to do it. Why? because it gives you pleasure.

In the second question, you have to be a believer or not.

Both asking questions, it's the truth, yes, but it is factually correct, no, because no one knows that God is real or the one addicted to dr*gs says it is right to do it. (even though both questions aren't related.)

What you believe and what you know is the truth; being factually correct is another matter.

 

[CarburetorThompson]

If a person is cursed to speak only the truth and nothing else, who's truth, or what truth do they espous? Do they have the infinite knowledge of the universe to speak its truth or are they limited to their own understanding of truth? Is truth what they believe to be truth or what is factually true? Does truth require experience or are they beholden to the mystery of our creation, whether purposeful or accidental? What is truth and how do they speak it? Where does the truth come from? How can we be certain the truth that they speak is true to the full extent of its implications? Who can witness for such truths?

Please discuss with civility and peace.

I know you asked this as a philosophy question, but for me it feels closer to a world building question about someone's magic system.

Or maybe it's my fault for having a stiff suspension of disbelief. But to me it feels like the answers is whatever the author feels like.

There is only so much grounded speculation you can do when a hypothetical involves magic or other reality bending phenomenon.

 

[laccoff_mawning]

It would probably make most sense if the curse extended only so far as losing the ability to decieve others. That is; the curse restricts the victim to tell his honest opinion.

As for how valid that opinion is, that would probably need to be probed by the interrogator. Questions like, "what makes you say that?" or "who told you that?" would aid there.

If you wanted the curse to do more, that would require some importing of knowledge from somewhere. The easiest way I can think of to explain that would be the existence of some cursed object, in which the person who wields the object has access to it's information, but also inflicts said curse upon the bearer.

Maybe the cursed object stores information from it's creators, or maybe from every person who's inherited the object.

 

[Tempokai]

Truth is subjective. One man's truth is other man's lie. Truth is often based on the knowledge that the person has, and it's basically justified true belief. If that man is cursed to only tell the truth, that means he can only speak in justified true beliefs, and if that truthful knowledge is objective enough for anyone to understand, only then he can speak. That curse will only work when it's enforced by some higher being's truth, because human truth can be wildly different.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

If a person is cursed to speak only the truth and nothing else, who's truth, or what truth do they espous? Do they have the infinite knowledge of the universe to speak its truth or are they limited to their own understanding of truth? Is truth what they believe to be truth or what is factually true? Does truth require experience or are they beholden to the mystery of our creation, whether purposeful or accidental? What is truth and how do they speak it? Where does the truth come from? How can we be certain the truth that they speak is true to the full extent of its implications? Who can witness for such truths?

Please discuss with civility and peace.

I speak truthfully.
This question is gay, you should repent for asking it this way.

Cursed to speak the truth? it is more like cursed to not tell a lie, which would actually be a blessing. Imagine you can no longer sin, that's no curse.
That's great!

 

[Daitengu]

With no other boundaries than "Speak the truth", the cursed person can say anything. Cause statistically, anything and everything thing can happen in an effectively infinite 13 dimension multiverse.

 

[LeilaniOtter]

There's an easy solution here:

Keep your mouth shut. *^^*

Or are you talking about a curse where you are compelled to speak the truth as soon as someone is within ear-shot, or someone speaks to you first?

Like, if you were walking down the street and someone went past you with hideous hair, would you then say to them, "That hair is hideous?" or would that person have to ask you if you thought their hair was hideous? So, there are many factors to consider here.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

I know you asked this as a philosophy question, but for me it feels closer to a world building question about someone's magic system.

Or maybe it's my fault for having a stiff suspension of disbelief. But to me it feels like the answers is whatever the author feels like.

There is only so much grounded speculation you can do when a hypothetical involves magic or other reality bending phenomenon.

It would probably make most sense if the curse extended only so far as losing the ability to decieve others. That is; the curse restricts the victim to tell his honest opinion.

As for how valid that opinion is, that would probably need to be probed by the interrogator. Questions like, "what makes you say that?" or "who told you that?" would aid there.

If you wanted the curse to do more, that would require some importing of knowledge from somewhere. The easiest way I can think of to explain that would be the existence of some cursed object, in which the person who wields the object has access to it's information, but also inflicts said curse upon the bearer.

Maybe the cursed object stores information from it's creators, or maybe from every person who's inherited the object.

I was thinking more irl than anything but I can see how this may come across as a word building question.

 

[Cipiteca396]

There's an easy solution here:

Keep your mouth shut. *^^*

Rather, that's the nature of the curse. You aren't ALLOWED to speak at all.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

I'm a basic boy. I think this curse will stop the person from lying, that's pretty much it. They will tell whatever they think is true based on their info and beliefs.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

Truth is subjective. One man's truth is other man's lie. Truth is often based on the knowledge that the person has, and it's basically justified true belief. If that man is cursed to only tell the truth, that means he can only speak in justified true beliefs, and if that truthful knowledge is objective enough for anyone to understand, only then he can speak. That curse will only work when it's enforced by some higher being's truth, because human truth can be wildly different.

I can understand this approach. Especially if there is no objective truth, because how could they speak truth if there is no truth? If you don't know the answer, then what can you say about it?

I guess the crux of my question is, where does truth come from? If truth is solely subjective then there is nothing to hold together reality. If all truths are true then there is no truth, just lies and delusions. For reality to exist, the core truth must be that it exists. Even if a person perceives truth to be one thing and someone else perceives truth to be another, there must exist a binding objective truth to keep them both true, or else one is false. If that is true then what is keeping this truth bound? What binds them to existence so that they may think and perceive what is false from true? If, as you said, such a curse indicates that there must be a higher power, then which one or ones? This last question is just food for thought as I do not want to break the rules by discussing different religions.

With no other boundaries than "Speak the truth", the cursed person can say anything. Cause statistically, anything and everything thing can happen in an effectively infinite 13 dimension multiverse.

That is, if the multiverse is true.

There's an easy solution here:

Keep your mouth shut. *^^*

Or are you talking about a curse where you are compelled to speak the truth as soon as someone is within ear-shot, or someone speaks to you first?

Like, if you were walking down the street and someone went past you with hideous hair, would you then say to them, "That hair is hideous?" or would that person have to ask you if you thought their hair was hideous? So, there are many factors to consider here.

I would say it is not compelled.

Rather, that's the nature of the curse. You aren't ALLOWED to speak at all.

That is the debate to a degree, isn't it?

 

[LeilaniOtter]

I guess the crux of my question is, where does truth come from?

You brought me back to my Logic Thinking classes in the 1980s with this one. *^^*
The first day of class, our teacher wrote "1+1=2" on the blackboard and asked the class, "Is this correct?"

When all of us nodded or gave affirmative answers, he slapped the blackboard hard enough to jostle us and shouted out "WRONG!" - then proceeded to show us how the answer was false and we were blown away. *^^*

So too is truth. A lot of people want to say "Well, truth is usually logical" or "truth is usually what can be proven". But again, this is all perspective and perceptive. We only know 1+1=2 because someone decided to create numerals, and someone else decided we should add them together. We perceive a red apple not because it's red but because millions of cells in our optic nerve transfer color information to our brains to tell us that the apple is red. *^^*

And that's what truth is too. All it is really is personal perception. It sounds crazy but that's really what it is. Truth! ?

 

[RainyLiquid]

I don't know.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

You brought me back to my Logic Thinking classes in the 1980s with this one. *^^*
The first day of class, our teacher wrote "1+1=2" on the blackboard and asked the class, "Is this correct?"

When all of us nodded or gave affirmative answers, he slapped the blackboard hard enough to jostle us and shouted out "WRONG!" - then proceeded to show us how the answer was false and we were blown away. *^^*

So too is truth. A lot of people want to say "Well, truth is usually logical" or "truth is usually what can be proven". But again, this is all perspective and perceptive. We only know 1+1=2 because someone decided to create numerals, and someone else decided we should add them together. We perceive a red apple not because it's red but because millions of cells in our optic nerve transfer color information to our brains to tell us that the apple is red. *^^*

And that's what truth is too. All it is really is personal perception. It sounds crazy but that's really what it is. Truth! ?

Interesting perspective. Then what of those who cannot percieve? Does everything outside of their perception no longer exist as truth? Can the blind say there is no sun because they cannot absorb light into their retinas? You can perceive your own truth from what humans create but what about what humanity hasn't created?

I don't know.

You are in the same ship of theseus as every other person who thinks. Welcome to philosophy 101! There are plenty of chairs, snacks, and depression to go around.

 

[RainyLiquid]

You are in the same ship of theseus as every other person who thinks. Welcome to philosophy 101! There are plenty of chairs, snacks, and depression to go around.

I don't know what chair, or snack I want either.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

I don't know what chair, or snack I want either.

There's a separate support subgroup for that near the snack table. They have organized a collection of rugs to sit on and are debating whether they have any right to the snacks at all. You'll find them beside the snack table playing beyblade.

 

[RainyLiquid]

There's a separate support subgroup for that near the snack table. They have organized a collection of rugs to sit on and are debating whether they have any right to the snacks at all. You'll find them beside the snack table playing beyblade.

Ayo beyblade??? Sick, I'm in.