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Bosniarat

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Well considering that I have little to lose....outside of some tears....
Let me know what you think. I'm not a great wordsmith but I hope my ideas aren't too scatterbrained.
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Macha

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Well considering that I have little to lose....outside of some tears....
Let me know what you think. I'm not a great wordsmith but I hope my ideas aren't too scatterbrained.
Thanks!
Fix your synopsis. It's overly detailed and sounds generic.
 

Fairemont

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These roasts will be short. I don't see the value of going deeper in each of these titles.


I read it weeks ago, and reread again. As a opener it's good, but it's shallow. Sure, elements are there, but there's a serious lack of a coherent context to make the oomph of a new game+ to be effective. This opening reads like it skipped two chapters of build-up to make that conclusion to be good. If using dramatistic pentad, I'd would've said that the Scene isn't developed well. The pentad it Act, Scene, Agent, Agency, Purpose, so you didn't google that right now reading this.

Act is breaking free from the fate, Scene is some plot (?) in a book, Agent is a metaconscious character who is sick of the plot. Agency is unclear but metaknowledge mixed with system and inability to escape the plot. Agent's in-universe Purpose is to break free from the control of whatever being controlling it, but the implied author’s purpose seems to be setting up a meta-reset to justify the New Game+ structure and to push the story forward. That’s fine, but it means the Act I'm seeing (the killing, the break) isn’t truly about the character, it’s about getting the reader to Chapter Two. That breaks its emotional weight.

Sure, you've wrote it well, but because there's undeveloped (not empty, as you did the job) context, what happened before that scene where the character namedrops the name of the story, it falls flat. There’s a balance most strong openings have, and I call it sequential "context, character, context". The opening here isn't balanced properly, it'd say 10% is context, 60% character, and 30% content. The characters fall flat because context is flat, because the world is underdeveloped. I don't need to know everything, but why those characters matter, and you didn't gave enough of it for me to care, even if it's unfinished. Sure, I don’t need full dossiers on the side characters, but I do need a reason to care when they mourn, scream, or call Yukou a demon. Without a developed context, their reactions are just noise and not the consequence you are showing.

What you have here is just a climax for the story that is roleplaying as a beginning. Write what happened before that climax happens, and you're golden.



The shower is late, but looking that you used The Butler to write your story, I'd say it's a must. Meta stories involving the character sitting on the internet could be fun, but yours isn't, chief. I read three chapters, and all I saw meandering, slow mess that doesn't try to persuade the reader to keep on reading. Sure, you have all your themes of loneliness, sad boy masturbating to escape the crushing loneliness of modern life, being cucked IRL by RL, whatever, but it lands flat when your credibility is none, courtesy of the Butler and the story being a niche (satire of NTR) inside of a niche (NTR stories) inside of the niche (everything fucking else in this website).

The plot is slow, despite of sentences being short. Sure, technically shorter sentences should increase the pacing, but when it reads like ButlerGPT on a bad day without censorship, with those misplaced metaphors and casual/formal unintentional mismatch of prose, combined with usual Butler patterns that are too long to describe in a short roast, it makes the experience inauthentic. It doesn't feel like a this story is written by a noob writer who dabbles and trains his English language. I would've done my usual Aristotelian rhetoric breakdown, but it's not worth it here. I don't see any conscious persuasion happening in these three chapters.

This webnovel is clearly an attempt of a bad faith in Sartre way, in trying to be someone you're not. If you wanted to be better in English, you'd wouldn't made the LLM do the 50% of your work in fixing grammar and whatnot. English and communication works in deliberate breaking of those communication rules, not accidental. With this what happens in the story is nothing, because it's not a story, but a text written by someone you're not, but trying to be. Do better.
Not too bad for something I just slapped together, then. :blob_melt:
 

JellyFish000

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Hi, this is my first ever novel. It's nothing extraordinary, but it's something I work hard on. Please toast it. Much love.
 

Endrawar

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Roast it! :ROFLMAO:?
 

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Are you only doing actual stories for your roast, or would a link to a snippet of a story work? I admit some curiosity how my writing holds up. Considering I have given some authors feed back. But I am not an actual author, myself.
 

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'ello, I'm back with a new story that I'm hoping to get roasted on. I've incorporated a lot of the criticism I received last time and I hope this one is better (it should be considering how low of a bar I set).

 

Tempokai

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I’m ready to get rekt tbh


NB: I don’t even use stuff like grammarly so no butlers in sight if it reads like that it’s just my writing being bad ?

To be fair, I don't know why you even wanted a roast. I hate blatant Western propaganda more than LLMs. At least LLMs are consistent and don't want to call anyone bigot, nazi, incel or [insert whatever leftist buzzword here] just by not supporting their political beliefs at least once. The synopsis is already says what I need to know, "don't read it unless you're exactly like me and support the institutional cathedral I'm aligned to". I read chapter 1 afterwards, and regretted it. Sheer, blatant focus on sexual identity=power, while not even trying to hide it behind the thematic or as a consequence of the plot makes it blatantly unpersuasive for those who are outside of the tribe, specifically designed to make the calls that only the tribe can understand. For example, "zir", "transmorph", and fixation on sexual characteristics, instead of, you know, showing how characters are interesting besides being what you, author chose them to be.

Propaganda fiction worldbuilding often works by first, creating a fictional “mirror world” where existing beliefs are taken to extremes and second, inviting the "tribe" and few fence sitters to feel morally superior for rejecting that world. Your synopsis has exactly that, a culture where gender and class are biologically determined, a government that brutally suppresses deviation, and a protagonist who is biologically, politically, and spiritually heretical. Gee, if only we could figure out what that might be a stand-in for right? It’s propaganda alright, by creating a world structured specifically to punish the Other, you want readers not just to sympathize, but to morally commit to the MC’s cause.

That leads me to MC. That character has a blatant Martyrdom Syndrome, where everything happening to... "that" is just a propaganda classic. The classic is to reduce the pain the MC has to the purest form of injustice, so there’s no ambiguity, so the people need to follow the MC because "world bad". The worst you could accuse her of is “having too much faith in a broken world,” and frankly, even Jesus Freaking Christ would find that trope a bit on the nose. Propaganda fiction loves this sort of protagonist. Not relatable, not dynamic, just justified in their future actions. As Machiavelli before, and Marxists afterwards said, "the end justify the means", and in that chapter you justified the end by putting that character so perfectly martyred, so unjustly hurt by the world, so... blatantly obvious, that I applaud to that university professor #634 who gave you the propaganda lectures.

That leads to overall villains and allies, and they're propaganda-coded too. Villains are usual priests, institutional powers, imperials, boring. That's blatant leftist Western thought baddies. Hell, they're not that even badly evil, just efficiently evil, and that's worse. It shows that the world as is is working, and even when they're deliberately ignorant, and systematically dehumanizing, their intentions are seen, to preserve the order of their society. The allies are misfits, not in power preaching equality pirates, and that's blatant "misunderstood anti-establishment utopia" theme modern Western propaganda loves to take. That’s basically propaganda kink those propagandist love, threaten domination first, see the MC being EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY ARE, then deliver liberation. First show "bad world", then "good world" by quartermaster, where everything is queer-coded (whatever that means, you people always change the definition of it), which is basically an aspirational archetype, make the MC choose new life, and voila, you have the basic propaganda plot.

And then, to further make it obviously propaganda, MC has two choices, be peaceful in monastery or go fight the Big Bad World, and you as an author give a choice that was already predetermined from the start, which is radicalization. Of course fighting, of course use pathos to create emotional momentum to propel the justification to make the Empire fall, of course.

That makes me believe that you wrote this out of anger, out of hatred, and out of consuming too much radical propaganda that you needed it to to funnel somewhere, and this was you choice, into words. Seeing that it wasn't updated for few months already, you either released that pent-up anger and then simply hadn't no energy to continue forward, or it went to a long shelf to planning, to maximize that propagandist value. Either way, you do you.

As I said, I don't know why you had written a post here, in my roasting thread. As far as I understand, if you people see someone disagreeing with you, you go with the blatant buzzword names, trying to slander and depose people from power. Even when that critique is actionable, you rather hide and try again instead of actually improving as actual people with empathy. I don't even live in West, and when I see that people like you writing stuff like these, I don't see those people as people, I see talking points disguised as people.

The most popular non-binary stories in this website at least don't shove this BS into your face. Those MCs, in their stories feel like real people, who don't know who they are and are making a new identity from what they have. It's personal for them, and it makes the experience better, because it's all about the things they want to know and understand, in their terms. What you have, is dividing, morally grandstanding, "join us or you are bigot" type of rhetoric. That rhetoric, compared to the "join me to see me become what I think I am" is radical and dishonest enough that I don't see the value, compared to those non-binary webnovels that are in trending.

That's why blatant propaganda is worse than LLMs. It is all about intent. LLMs don't have one, and if it makes propaganda, it just doesn't know it is making one. Your intent, however, as far as I can read into subtext with this webnovel, is to affirm allegiance with the tribe, and then try to collect outrage and affirmation in BlueSky, Mastodon, or whatever because some random bloke from Central Asia wrote mean stuff about you. Perfect outrage machine, if I ever saw one. If you don't like heat in this roast, don't answer, don't reply, and just move on. Don't write blatant propaganda.
 

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Hey, just started my first novel at the start of this month, a culmination of nearly a decade of ideas in my head, so feel free to roast me as hard as you can!

Chatgpt been hella glazing so need someone to take me down a notch??

The God of Mischief and Madness
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Thanks!
 
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Out of the frying pan and into the fire: https://www.scribblehub.com/series/475678/the-rise-of-raruk-warwulf/

Do your worst, beast! (just a joke btw, and thank you ehehe~)

I read your first three chapters, and by the time I got to the human girl cradled in a wolf nursery like she’s about to cosplay Jaina Proudmoore, I had to pause and squint at the screen like I’d just walked in on a crossover between LISA: The Painful, Warcraft, and the New Testament. Except you removed the Joy, body horror, the glorious Orc prosperity in wastelands, and crucially—the one part of the Bible that didn’t end in nails: the peaceful messiah. And what we’re left with is this glorious fantasy mashup that feels like it has something decent going on in the background.

To be fair, the synopsis doesn’t do justice to what’s actually in the opening chapters. The synopsis is so painfully generic it reads like a back-of-the-box description written by someone afraid to spoil their own plot, which would be fine if it weren’t also afraid to say anything specific. “A second son must save his dying clan with a cheat.” Bruh, what cheat? What stakes? What flavor? Currently it really reads like a boilerplate fantasy ad you'd scroll past on fanfiction.net while looking for something with an actual hook.

The tragedy is you have the hook. You have world rot. You have prophecy. You have a character born at the end of a dying bloodline in a culture that still hosts drinking games at funerals. You even have Direwolves (that may or not be stolen from Warcraft) as large as midlife crises. But instead of showing these things in the synopsis, you hide behind vague language like you’re embarrassed by your own premise. Stop that. Flaunt your weird. Let the authenticity flag fly high, because readers don't come for generic, they come for specific done in a specific way.

Now, the prologue. It’s functional. It works as a teaser, like the “Previously on Warcraft 1: Everyone Dies” segment. It doesn’t try to do too much, which is a mercy. You’ve got a frantic survivor, an aging commander with a scar like an overripe peach, and some jeering soldiers. Honestly, it’s not bad, but it also doesn’t punch. It's functional, as I said. It’s like watching someone almost sneeze due to pollen allergy—it builds, it builds, and then the tension just sighs out because the nose got itchy instead of sneezy. There’s no standout voice, no tonal identity, no memorable character outside of “guy with bad news” and “guy who reacts to bad news.” You could polish this scene with some tighter language and cut out half the throat-clearing exposition and it would land sharper.

With that comes Chapter 1, where things wobble so hard I felt like I was on a fantasy-themed tilt-a-whirl. See, you’ve got this juicy narrative moment: the last female Oruk is dying in childbirth. That’s your gut punch. That’s your "oh shit" moment, but you smother it in known context like a toddler learning to wrap a burrito. You don’t trust the reader. Instead of letting us feel Grekka’s fragility and the finality of her death, you decide to rewind the entire orc documentary and make us rewatch the extinction of your species for the third time in five pages. Readers already know the land is dying after that first mention of it. We get that this child is important. You’ve said it more than once. Like, a lot.

The problem is in this framework of “known vs. unknown context” I have and you bungle it. Known context is what the readers have read or can reasonably infer: world dying, no more female Oruks, prophecy baby. Unknown is what readers want to be curious about: why this child matters, what makes this clan different, what the prophecy actually matters. But, instead of feeding the reader the unknown slowly and letting readers hunger for it, you just reheated the known three times and served it with the dramatic weight of someone handing out lost-and-found flyers.

It slows the scene down. It strangles the pathos. Grekka dying should devastate, it should be the moment that frames Raruk’s future. Instead, it’s like reading a weather report while someone nearby politely dies.

The lore you dump, even when fragmented, still reads like lore. That’s the problem. It doesn’t feel lived-in. It feels like a set of ingredients being recited before the cooking show starts. Every time reader starts to get emotionally close to a character, they get shoved out of the frame by another reminder that famine bad, prophecy scary, land cursed.

Chapter 1 desperately needs an editor. Not a proofreader—no, you’ve spell-checked this thing like it owes you money, besides few missing dots after the dialogues that I saw. I mean an actual editor. Someone who’ll grab your manuscript by the ears and say, “We’re cutting this repetition, we’re moving this moment earlier, we’re letting Grekka speak something meaningful before she dies instead of just being a plot-laden uterus with dying breath.”

Afterwards, Chapter 2, where Raruk finally earns his name in the title and thank God, because up until this point, he was a myth with no presence. He steps out into the world like a mix of brooding ranger and reluctant philosopher, and you know what, he works. You give him interiority. You give him mystery. You give him a damn Direwolf with a name, which honestly, is character development in some novels, even if you stole that idea from Thrall, maybe.

Boruk is a solid foil too—classic brawn-to-your-brain setup, but with enough respect to make it feel like brotherhood, not sitcom bickering. You even manage to build tension when the unconscious human girl appears, which could have been extremely cringe. You know, making them so dumb that it becomes stupid, instead of being a normally logics. But, the pacing stumbles again. Why? Because you’re still repeating that the world is dying, the land is cursed, and orcs are endangered. At this point, it’s not thematic, it’s a chorus. You need to trust your reader. They know the stakes, now deepen them without adding the same three concepts. Instead of reminding the reader what’s dying, show what’s worth saving.

In short: the core ideas here aren’t bad, really. You have a strong skeleton here, but you’re wrapped in so much trope tape and narrative padding that it’s hard to see. Cut the repetition, make your synopsis better so it shows your best cards, and let your characters actually have a room to actually communicate without burying them under the lore boulder. Do better.
 

Azizuru

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Alright, please read my novel! I am ready to face any harsh criticism!


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To be fair, I don't know why you even wanted a roast. I hate blatant Western propaganda more than LLMs. At least LLMs are consistent and don't want to call anyone bigot, nazi, incel or [insert whatever leftist buzzword here] just by not supporting their political beliefs at least once. The synopsis is already says what I need to know, "don't read it unless you're exactly like me and support the institutional cathedral I'm aligned to". I read chapter 1 afterwards, and regretted it. Sheer, blatant focus on sexual identity=power, while not even trying to hide it behind the thematic or as a consequence of the plot makes it blatantly unpersuasive for those who are outside of the tribe, specifically designed to make the calls that only the tribe can understand. For example, "zir", "transmorph", and fixation on sexual characteristics, instead of, you know, showing how characters are interesting besides being what you, author chose them to be.

Propaganda fiction worldbuilding often works by first, creating a fictional “mirror world” where existing beliefs are taken to extremes and second, inviting the "tribe" and few fence sitters to feel morally superior for rejecting that world. Your synopsis has exactly that, a culture where gender and class are biologically determined, a government that brutally suppresses deviation, and a protagonist who is biologically, politically, and spiritually heretical. Gee, if only we could figure out what that might be a stand-in for right? It’s propaganda alright, by creating a world structured specifically to punish the Other, you want readers not just to sympathize, but to morally commit to the MC’s cause.

That leads me to MC. That character has a blatant Martyrdom Syndrome, where everything happening to... "that" is just a propaganda classic. The classic is to reduce the pain the MC has to the purest form of injustice, so there’s no ambiguity, so the people need to follow the MC because "world bad". The worst you could accuse her of is “having too much faith in a broken world,” and frankly, even Jesus Freaking Christ would find that trope a bit on the nose. Propaganda fiction loves this sort of protagonist. Not relatable, not dynamic, just justified in their future actions. As Machiavelli before, and Marxists afterwards said, "the end justify the means", and in that chapter you justified the end by putting that character so perfectly martyred, so unjustly hurt by the world, so... blatantly obvious, that I applaud to that university professor #634 who gave you the propaganda lectures.

That leads to overall villains and allies, and they're propaganda-coded too. Villains are usual priests, institutional powers, imperials, boring. That's blatant leftist Western thought baddies. Hell, they're not that even badly evil, just efficiently evil, and that's worse. It shows that the world as is is working, and even when they're deliberately ignorant, and systematically dehumanizing, their intentions are seen, to preserve the order of their society. The allies are misfits, not in power preaching equality pirates, and that's blatant "misunderstood anti-establishment utopia" theme modern Western propaganda loves to take. That’s basically propaganda kink those propagandist love, threaten domination first, see the MC being EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY ARE, then deliver liberation. First show "bad world", then "good world" by quartermaster, where everything is queer-coded (whatever that means, you people always change the definition of it), which is basically an aspirational archetype, make the MC choose new life, and voila, you have the basic propaganda plot.

And then, to further make it obviously propaganda, MC has two choices, be peaceful in monastery or go fight the Big Bad World, and you as an author give a choice that was already predetermined from the start, which is radicalization. Of course fighting, of course use pathos to create emotional momentum to propel the justification to make the Empire fall, of course.

That makes me believe that you wrote this out of anger, out of hatred, and out of consuming too much radical propaganda that you needed it to to funnel somewhere, and this was you choice, into words. Seeing that it wasn't updated for few months already, you either released that pent-up anger and then simply hadn't no energy to continue forward, or it went to a long shelf to planning, to maximize that propagandist value. Either way, you do you.

As I said, I don't know why you had written a post here, in my roasting thread. As far as I understand, if you people see someone disagreeing with you, you go with the blatant buzzword names, trying to slander and depose people from power. Even when that critique is actionable, you rather hide and try again instead of actually improving as actual people with empathy. I don't even live in West, and when I see that people like you writing stuff like these, I don't see those people as people, I see talking points disguised as people.

The most popular non-binary stories in this website at least don't shove this BS into your face. Those MCs, in their stories feel like real people, who don't know who they are and are making a new identity from what they have. It's personal for them, and it makes the experience better, because it's all about the things they want to know and understand, in their terms. What you have, is dividing, morally grandstanding, "join us or you are bigot" type of rhetoric. That rhetoric, compared to the "join me to see me become what I think I am" is radical and dishonest enough that I don't see the value, compared to those non-binary webnovels that are in trending.

That's why blatant propaganda is worse than LLMs. It is all about intent. LLMs don't have one, and if it makes propaganda, it just doesn't know it is making one. Your intent, however, as far as I can read into subtext with this webnovel, is to affirm allegiance with the tribe, and then try to collect outrage and affirmation in BlueSky, Mastodon, or whatever because some random bloke from Central Asia wrote mean stuff about you. Perfect outrage machine, if I ever saw one. If you don't like heat in this roast, don't answer, don't reply, and just move on. Don't write blatant propaganda.
Being from an Islamic country, you can be honest in certain ways that would get us in trouble here in the US. 10/10 review
 

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To be fair, I don't know why you even wanted a roast. I hate blatant Western propaganda more than LLMs. At least LLMs are consistent and don't want to call anyone bigot, nazi, incel or [insert whatever leftist buzzword here] just by not supporting their political beliefs at least once. The synopsis is already says what I need to know, "don't read it unless you're exactly like me and support the institutional cathedral I'm aligned to". I read chapter 1 afterwards, and regretted it. Sheer, blatant focus on sexual identity=power, while not even trying to hide it behind the thematic or as a consequence of the plot makes it blatantly unpersuasive for those who are outside of the tribe, specifically designed to make the calls that only the tribe can understand. For example, "zir", "transmorph", and fixation on sexual characteristics, instead of, you know, showing how characters are interesting besides being what you, author chose them to be.

Propaganda fiction worldbuilding often works by first, creating a fictional “mirror world” where existing beliefs are taken to extremes and second, inviting the "tribe" and few fence sitters to feel morally superior for rejecting that world. Your synopsis has exactly that, a culture where gender and class are biologically determined, a government that brutally suppresses deviation, and a protagonist who is biologically, politically, and spiritually heretical. Gee, if only we could figure out what that might be a stand-in for right? It’s propaganda alright, by creating a world structured specifically to punish the Other, you want readers not just to sympathize, but to morally commit to the MC’s cause.

That leads me to MC. That character has a blatant Martyrdom Syndrome, where everything happening to... "that" is just a propaganda classic. The classic is to reduce the pain the MC has to the purest form of injustice, so there’s no ambiguity, so the people need to follow the MC because "world bad". The worst you could accuse her of is “having too much faith in a broken world,” and frankly, even Jesus Freaking Christ would find that trope a bit on the nose. Propaganda fiction loves this sort of protagonist. Not relatable, not dynamic, just justified in their future actions. As Machiavelli before, and Marxists afterwards said, "the end justify the means", and in that chapter you justified the end by putting that character so perfectly martyred, so unjustly hurt by the world, so... blatantly obvious, that I applaud to that university professor #634 who gave you the propaganda lectures.

That leads to overall villains and allies, and they're propaganda-coded too. Villains are usual priests, institutional powers, imperials, boring. That's blatant leftist Western thought baddies. Hell, they're not that even badly evil, just efficiently evil, and that's worse. It shows that the world as is is working, and even when they're deliberately ignorant, and systematically dehumanizing, their intentions are seen, to preserve the order of their society. The allies are misfits, not in power preaching equality pirates, and that's blatant "misunderstood anti-establishment utopia" theme modern Western propaganda loves to take. That’s basically propaganda kink those propagandist love, threaten domination first, see the MC being EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY ARE, then deliver liberation. First show "bad world", then "good world" by quartermaster, where everything is queer-coded (whatever that means, you people always change the definition of it), which is basically an aspirational archetype, make the MC choose new life, and voila, you have the basic propaganda plot.

And then, to further make it obviously propaganda, MC has two choices, be peaceful in monastery or go fight the Big Bad World, and you as an author give a choice that was already predetermined from the start, which is radicalization. Of course fighting, of course use pathos to create emotional momentum to propel the justification to make the Empire fall, of course.

That makes me believe that you wrote this out of anger, out of hatred, and out of consuming too much radical propaganda that you needed it to to funnel somewhere, and this was you choice, into words. Seeing that it wasn't updated for few months already, you either released that pent-up anger and then simply hadn't no energy to continue forward, or it went to a long shelf to planning, to maximize that propagandist value. Either way, you do you.

As I said, I don't know why you had written a post here, in my roasting thread. As far as I understand, if you people see someone disagreeing with you, you go with the blatant buzzword names, trying to slander and depose people from power. Even when that critique is actionable, you rather hide and try again instead of actually improving as actual people with empathy. I don't even live in West, and when I see that people like you writing stuff like these, I don't see those people as people, I see talking points disguised as people.

The most popular non-binary stories in this website at least don't shove this BS into your face. Those MCs, in their stories feel like real people, who don't know who they are and are making a new identity from what they have. It's personal for them, and it makes the experience better, because it's all about the things they want to know and understand, in their terms. What you have, is dividing, morally grandstanding, "join us or you are bigot" type of rhetoric. That rhetoric, compared to the "join me to see me become what I think I am" is radical and dishonest enough that I don't see the value, compared to those non-binary webnovels that are in trending.

That's why blatant propaganda is worse than LLMs. It is all about intent. LLMs don't have one, and if it makes propaganda, it just doesn't know it is making one. Your intent, however, as far as I can read into subtext with this webnovel, is to affirm allegiance with the tribe, and then try to collect outrage and affirmation in BlueSky, Mastodon, or whatever because some random bloke from Central Asia wrote mean stuff about you. Perfect outrage machine, if I ever saw one. If you don't like heat in this roast, don't answer, don't reply, and just move on. Don't write blatant propaganda.

Honestly, I do appreciate you taking the time to read it! Tbh I mostly don't have more chapters out 'cause life happened and I got sick, but there's a couple in the queue that I'm still working on editing.

As far as propaganda? I mean I think any good fiction is ultimately some kind of propaganda: speaking to our beliefs, speaking to our perspective on the world, speaking to what we think a brighter (or darker) future ultimately is. So I write from that perspective. I don't really mind that being called propaganda, and I don't really mind reflections of real experiences being perceives as political when they're already being politicized by others.

I've read your roast a few times to make sure I was parsing out the important bits. Honestly I'm kinda disappointed that you sunk your teeth so deep into the ideological aspect that you wrote as much as you did about that, like it hit some nerve that tbh I didn't intend to hit. I'm just writing what I know and feel and live, etc, and I figure that's not something a lot of folks might be familiar with depending on where they're coming from. In the end, I asked for a roast, so it's not like I'm gonna fault you for it.

I'll keep thinking about this! I definitely want to bring people in and have them immerse themselves from their own perspective, find common ground, etc. Just something that I need to keep iterating on after starting from what are, honestly, my actual lived experiences. The goal isn't moral superiority, after all. It's "look at these people. They're not really getting a chance to exist as they are. Let's understand them more." :)
 

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The goal isn't moral superiority, after all. It's "look at these people. They're not really getting a chance to exist as they are. Let's understand them more."
Can you really claim that when those who disagree with your main cast must be "undermined and toppled from their very foundations?" At least, that is what your own synopsis says.
 

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Can you really claim that when those who disagree with your main cast must be "undermined and toppled from their very foundations?" At least, that is what your own synopsis says.
The goal of the main cast is not to topple those who “disagree with them”. Keep in mind we’re talking specifically about those in power, not an entire culture.

It’s to topple people who, in that world, are literally killing people like them, based on things they can’t actually change about themselves even if they wanted to. This is literally the first scene in the prologue.

In fact, a lot of the story going forward (I know there’s only two chapters published, but I have a bit more written and more sketched out) is people who don’t understand each other or disagree with each other or are otherwise being kinda terrible coming to terms with that and working together to stop someone who just wants all of them dead with no interest in change or negotiation.

And that Emperor who’s doing all that? It’s less about some ideology he holds and more about him knowing that if he plays the cards he’s currently playing, he gets to stay rich and powerful.

So yeah. I understand where y’all might be reading all this, but the whole point of the story is to work together in the face of disagreement and distrust and apparent incompatibility against a much more serious common threat.

As a side note, I’m not sure what you mean about “disagree with the main cast”? Like, disagree that they’re starting a rebellion against a government that hurt them? Are you talking about the reader or the people in-world? genuine question, cause I was a bit confused by this wording. I tried to answer interpreting your comment as “people in the world who disagree with the cast“ but i wanna make sure that was the right interpretation
 
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The goal of the main cast is not to topple those who “disagree with them”. Keep in mind we’re talking specifically about those in power, not an entire culture.
Fair enough.

It’s to topple people who, in that world, are literally killing people like them, based on things they can’t actually change about themselves even if they wanted to.
I believe this is why @Tempokai roasts the thinly veiled allegory in your story. Churchgoers aren't shoving trans people into gas chambers IRL so adding another story to the internet where "religion bad, CISgender bad, hetero bad, etc." can be seen as unpersuasive to readers.

i wanna make sure that was the right interpretation.
You did interpret it right.
 

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I believe this is why @Tempokai roasts the thinly veiled allegory in your story. Churchgoers aren't shoving trans people into gas chambers IRL so adding another story to the internet where "religion bad, CISgender bad, hetero bad, etc." can be seen as unpersuasive to readers.
I’ll work on the synopsis, but note that this is a story about resistance against power. And it is about *existential* resistance, not “I was sad called me a bad word”

As far as the rest of the genderfucky thing? This is literally all based on Omegaverse stuff so I’m doing kind of a twist on that genre. The specific combinations that become “dominant” are not, and are not intended to, look anything like what we would consider cis, het, trans, nb, whatever.

The point of the exercise is to think about power and the way things about us are used and weaponized to play us against each other while whoever is lucky enough to be in power (as in, literally world leaders, the filthy rich, etc), do anything they want because they don’t care about that shit in the end. They just need a good wedge to tear us apart. I’m pretty comfortable outright stating that fundamentalist religious leaders probably don’t actually give a flying fuck about the people they’re leading. I won’t speak for your country, but that’s been shown to be the case over and over in Western countries. Same thing for politicians whose positions will shift whenever it’s convenient for them and who are willing to throw anyone they represent under the bus just so they can get rich and famous from the funds that come in.

To emphasize: this isn’t saying that people who are religious are fundamentally bad. Or people who are cishet are terrible. This isn’t about them. This is about the people who use these people and their identity for personal gain; for money and power.

Is that propaganda? sure, but if that’s propaganda, just about anything that touches the political is. I’m telling a story about reconciling differences and working together and humanizing each other, though. My personal feeling is that telling that story starting from the perspective of those in the margins and building up to include the whole is more compelling, to me, and to the general group of readers I’m more writing for. It’s also my story because that’s who I am and where I come from, and the life I live.

[edit: I do hope you’ll judge it by more than just the synopsis. Not because the actual chapters are all that great but because at least we’d have more to talk about than two marketing paragraphs by a new author who is still figuring out how to do things. Plus, I was hoping to get more to work on than just “this shit is so woke it is personally offensive to me”]
 
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