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CharlesEBrown

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Sure, Cali is the demonic hellhole I'll never wish my enemy to travel to, but why it feels that way?
Well, it wasn't (at least the few parts I visited in 2019/2020 - granted it was two different airports that I never left, and I was in a wheelchair the second time - and 2012 or thereabouts, when we were mostly in Anaheim) THAT bad when I was there. Very pretty place, except for the major cities (Los Angeles, San Francisco) and the weirdness magnets like Berkley...
A decent place to visit, much like, New Orleans, but not a place I'd recommend living in unless you have a masochistic streak...
 

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Been debating on if I should have my story roasted or not, but go right ahead.

 

Tempokai

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Hello, Tempokai!

I've been seeing this thread a lot and it's hilarious and insightful.

Please roast my story.


I read three chapters of your so-called "story," and I already forgot what it was about. Not in the way that some tales slip through the mind like a pleasant spring breeze I had today—no, this was more like trying to grasp a handful of air in a room devoid of oxygen. It was so devoid of substance, so magnificently hollow, that my tired brain after work, in an act of self-preservation, chose to delete it the moment my eyes left the screen. If nothing else, congratulations: you've created the literary equivalent of a blank stare into the abyss.

Oh, but wait—I do remember something. I remember clicking your link, reading the words, and immediately forgetting what I had read, because it was that inconsequential. I have encountered shopping lists with more emotional depth, disclaimers with greater narrative cohesion, and graffiti in a public restroom that told a more compelling story than this. Do you want to know why? Because your text—yes, text, because calling it a story would be giving it too much credit—is nothing but a pastiche upon a pastiche, stitched together like a Frankenstein’s monster assembled from the rotting scraps of every trope you've ever consumed, with none of the care required to bring it to life.

From the very beginning, your synopsis made me question if you understood the fundamental purpose of a synopsis: to hook a reader. Instead, what you gave me was a Gricean Maxim violation speedrun, dumping irrelevant information while withholding anything that might have actually made me care. Oh, he’s a Brazilian-Romani high schooler? Fascinating—except, you never tell me why that matters. Oh, he’s good at sports but shy? Groundbreaking. Truly, a protagonist for the ages. Suddenly, a wild The Knight System appears! It is vague, limp, non-descriptive phrase plopped in as if I should instinctively gasp in awe. It’s a system! It’s knightly! It does things! So what? Am I supposed to weep in reverence? The synopsis doesn’t even have the decency to pretend it’s excited about the story.

After condensing that information into my notes, I reached the prologue. And oh, what a prologue it was. You threw me in medias res, except you executed it with all the grace of The Hangover (2009), minus actual hook and the reason to care. The context was absent, the character motivations were missing, and the action had no weight because I knew nothing about these people, this world, or why I should care. It was a series of flashing images with no coherence, no buildup, and no purpose—like a bad anime opening sequence that plays before you realize you’ve walked into the wrong theater. Too bad I forgot what I wanted to read about, so I just pressed "next chapter" missing it few times despite not having a hangover. Just when I thought you might at least try to build some kind of story, you yank me decades into the past without so much as a transition. The prologue is completely useless. Delete it, and the story remains the same—which tells me you don’t know why it’s there either.

Afterwards, chapter one? DOA. You assume I care, but why should I? I have just witnessed your protagonist flailing around in a fantasy setting for no discernible reason, only to be slammed face-first into High School Slice-of-Life Trope Hell, where I get the grand privilege of watching a guy whine about moving, wear anime T-shirts, and struggle with football practice. Is this the same person? Because the prologue version of Collin fought skeletons and did shadow magic, while the chapter one version of Collin barely fights off the urge to check his phone. Synopsis? What synopsis? That’s not character depth—it’s pathos used wrong. If I wanted to experience two completely separate genres awkwardly stapled together, I would watch an anime that got canceled halfway through its first season that got continued by another studio.

And then, THEN, oh, then I get to chapters two and three, where you act as if your protagonist is a real person that I should follow with rapt attention, except he isn’t. He is a husk of a character, a mannequin with vague "relatable" qualities tacked onto him like cheap stickers on a thrift store laptop. The fact that you gave him a bisexual identity, a long-distance boyfriend, and a tragic backstory about his comatose siblings does not automatically make him interesting. Traits are not personality. He has no distinct voice, no compelling agency, and no actual reason for me to want to spend more time with him. He exists merely as a vessel for the plot to happen to him.

What a plot it is. A vague, wobbly, directionless mess where nothing feels like it matters. I see a bland high school setting that might have been interesting if you had the capacity to establish an actual atmosphere, but no—you went with usual amateur Tell, Don’t Show approach, where every setting detail reads like barely disguised EULA tropemania. Even your worldbuilding is comatose. This city, this school, this whole environment—it fails any attempt at critical thinking because there is no effort in making it feel real. It’s a backdrop painted on cardboard, waiting to collapse under the weight of its own nothingness.

So, there’s Helena, your "Emo-Girl" (aka succubus (why?!)) mystery-box childhood friend, who exists solely to spoon-feed Collin exposition and look vaguely intriguing. Oh wow, she has different-colored eyes. Oh wow, she remembers everything about him while he remembers nothing. Oh wow, she had dead parents. Truly, the depth of her character is overwhelming. The problem isn’t just that she’s a trope—it’s that she’s a trope without substance. Even if she has potential in the future, it means nothing when you can't start off the reader engagement from the start. If she were in a visual novel, she’d be the character whose route was still under development.

By the time you reach the third chapter, you assume I am invested. You assume I will care about Collin and his awkward social interactions. You assume I will be intrigued by the breadcrumbs of mystery you’re dropping at your leisure. Assumptions don’t build engagement. A good story builds momentum, stakes, and urgency. This does none of those things. It just exists, floating in the void like an abandoned script for a CW show that was canceled after the pilot.

At this point, I don’t just not care about what happens next—I actively resent the fact that I spent time reading something so aggressively mediocre. Your storytelling lacks soul, your execution lacks direction, and your protagonist lacks any reason to be followed beyond "he's the main character, so I guess we have to." This isn’t a story. It’s a collection of words that don’t add up to anything.

You didn’t participate in worldmaking in a Nelson Goodman's way—I can poke a hole through it and watch it collapse like a cheap set on a low-budget play. You didn’t create characters—you assembled clichés and hoped they would become people. You didn’t write a compelling story—you strung together disconnected scenes and called it a day.

Go back to the basics. Read real books. Understand structure, pacing, character motivation, and how to actually make a reader care. What you’ve made is not a story.

It’s a text.

A text that I already forgot.
 

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burn it till there is nothing left.

DESTROY EVERYTHING !!!!!
(I just need a feedback)
 

Tempokai

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I lack the mental fortitude to withstand even the slightest critique of my writing. I do know how helpful it is to receive the type of feedback that I've seen here so whenever you get a chance have at it. If my book stops being updated it's either my object permanence made me forget to update it, or the review shattered all hope I had if my book being well written. ?
The Nexus Chronicles

I read your prologue and first chapter, and within minutes, nay, SECONDS, I wanted to skip the whole thing. Not because it was bad, oh no, that would at least be interesting. Instead, what I got was a tungsten density block of text that failed to do the single most important thing a story should do—make me believe in it.

You didn’t even try to make me believe, did you? You didn’t persuade me, manipulate me, lie to me with confidence—no, you just dumped words on a page and expected me to care. That’s not how storytelling works. You have to earn the reader’s trust, but instead, what do you do? You give me a textbook, a sterile, AI-flavored worldbuilding vomit session with all the emotional weight of a forgotten newspaper article written by an intern who hates their job.

Wayne Booth would have a stroke reading this. You didn’t create an implied author—you didn’t even bother to give me a voice to follow. What’s the point of writing a fictional world if you’re going to make it feel like an chore? No, seriously, I’d rather read yet another LitRPG on the main page trending than wade through your “Behold, I have built a world, now let me lecture you about it” nonsense.

Oh, the brilliance of your originality! A world that was great, then fell into ruin, and now the GREAT CHOSEN ONE must restore it! Wow! You really dug deep into the Well of Tired Fantasy Clichés for that one, huh? What’s next? A prophecy? A mysterious artifact? Oh, wait. You already did that too. Bravo. Just slap a random Latin-sounding name on it and call it a day, right? Nexus. Aetherians. Luminar. Nymari. Look at all these important-sounding words! If only I gave a single ounce of a damn about any of them.

But that's not important. Really. Your real issue is your prose. My God, your prose. Have you actually read what you wrote? No, really, have you? It reeks of LLM-generated nothingness. Every sentence is a puffed-up, adjective-stuffed corpse pretending to be literary. You let LLM overdescribe everything, but somehow, nothing feels real. It’s just there, existing, mere bytes on the server, doing nothing but to render themselves once a client asks the server for it. Your words don’t have intent. They don’t have that "I know what I did, and that's why I did it" energy proper storytelling has. They just are.

LLM generates text, yes, but when it meanders, when it doesn’t know where it’s going, it exposes itself as artificial, and that’s exactly what your writing does. It’s directionless, a pile of word soup with no narrative backbone holding it together.

Storytelling is about convincing the reader that something is happening, but your story doesn’t happen—it just sits there like a lump of half-baked worldbuilding notes stapled together by an AI with no editorial oversight. You failed to create ethos, and when ethos is dead, no amount of fancy prose or glowing vines will save you. The reader will see through the artificiality, and they will leave.

Oh boy, they will leave. Or not even engage, like with your 26 views on the prologue and 8 views on the chapter 1. When it's 400 views total, that means they just opened the synopsis and bailed the hell out of it, and rightfully.

So, let’s put ourselves in the shoes of an average webnovel reader for a second. They click on your book, eager for something worth their time, and what do they get?

A painfully long-winded lore dump about a world they don’t care about. A prologue so sterile and try-hard epic that they start skimming by the third paragraph. An entire chapter of a scavenger girl putting on boots, using a scanner, and experiencing the thrill of “walking into a building.”

Do you see the problem here? When the reader doesn’t care about the world, and they don’t care about the characters, and they don’t care about the story, then they will do the only logical thing left—they will drop your novel and read something else. Even the dumbest, most grammatically broken webnovel out there will hold their attention better if it at least gives them a reason to keep reading.

What do you give them? Lyra putting on her boots and fiddling with a scanner for the 42nd time. Where’s the pathos? The emotion? The raw, beating heart of your story? Nowhere. Because you didn’t write a story, you wrote text. That’s it. Text.

And don’t even mention logos—what logos? Your backdrop was LLM-generated worldbuilding fluff, but you didn’t even try to make it feel lived in. You slapped some floating cities and glowing runes on top of a generic post-apocalyptic wasteland and thought that was enough. Too bad, it wasn’t. It never wasn't. It was never alive.

At the end of the day, what you’ve written isn’t a story. It’s words arranged in a way that vaguely resembles a narrative. It lacks intent, voice, persuasion, and drive. It is THE meaningless masquerading as depth. It is THE filler that exists because it must exist. It is nothing but an experiment in achieving nothingness.

Here’s my advice:

START AGAIN.

And this time, actually understand what storytelling is before you rely on cheap tricks and tools you don’t fully grasp.
 

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You mean...
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I'm not a picky person when it comes to webnovels. Really, I'm not. I’ve been through the trenches of amateur fiction for a long time. It's a place where the prose is stitched together with the literary equivalent of duct tape and misplaced ambition, and I know what makes things work. I’ve endured dialogue so wooden it could be repurposed as a crooked dining table. I’ve watched aspiring storytellers fail, not because they lacked talent, but because they dared to try—because storytelling is a brutal, unforgiving beast that takes years of discipline to master.

But this? This isn’t even failure. This is the absence of an attempt. This is the delusion of a narrator who thinks they’re above the craft itself, as if simply putting words on a page guarantees that someone, somewhere, will care. Let me break the news to you: nobody cares. Ordinary readers do not appear by divine right. You don’t deserve them, you earn them. And within the first few sentences of your so-called novel, you’ve already failed at this fundamental truth: creation is divine, but persuasion is survival.

When I read something, I look for a reason to stay. It doesn’t have to be perfect—hell, I’m generous. I can forgive janky grammar. I can overlook the occasional cliché if the core idea explored is good. I can even tolerate the presence of yet another overpowered protagonist who inexplicably gets women and power handed to him like free samples at a grocery store because he dared to be born. But what I cannot forgive is pure, unfiltered apathy, because that’s what this so-called "webnovel" is.

You don’t care about storytelling. You don’t care about your characters. You don’t even care about basic readability. If you did, you wouldn’t have vomited this half-formed nonsense onto the internet and expected people to take it seriously.

Two chapters. That’s all I read. It was two chapters too many.

You have somehow managed to take the worst tropes from Japanese light novels (isekai, slavery, lifeless fantasy taverns) and mashed them together with the worst tropes from Chinese web novels (kill first, think never, undeserved power fantasies) to create something so beyond dull, beyond lazy, beyond redemption, that it has transcended even the realm of entertaining failure.

If it was at least spectacularly terrible—the kind of literary atrocity that loops back around into accidental genius, like Invisible Dragon—I could respect that. I could even enjoy it, the way one enjoys watching a fireworks display set off by an amateur with no concept of safety regulations inside of a flammable building. But this isn’t even bad in a memorable way. It’s just there. A static, lifeless block of text, filled with zero tension, zero creativity, and zero MEANINGFUL effort.

Oh, but wait—it gets worse.

Because you, dear "author", expect people to read this. You expect attention, praise, feedback. You expect strangers to dedicate hours of their time to something you couldn’t even bother to proofread. The sheer audacity.

Your protagonist isn’t just overpowered—he’s a walking heap of ego you've put into the story. There is no struggle, no development and sure as hell no fucking reason to care. He’s a personality-deprived husk who casually murders people, collects slaves, and flexes his toned muscles after a bath like he’s auditioning for the role of most insufferable male lead of the decade.

And that comes to that bath scene.

Because why? Why did we need the obligatory “steam rising from his sculpted muscles” moment? Who was that for? You? Your mirror? The nonexistent fangirls in your head? It's 100% for your pitiful ego, why? Because I guarantee no reader was sitting there, thinking, “Wow, I really hope this bland murder machine takes a shower soon so I can hear about his wet abs.”

And while we’re at it, let’s talk about the sheer moral bankruptcy of the story that would've made Wayne Booth have a stroke second time in a row for a different reason. 0% ethics.

Aldric robs and kills people without hesitation—but don’t worry, it’s okay because they were thieves. He buys a literal human being—but don’t worry, he’s kind of nice to her, so that makes it fine. This isn’t even edgy. This isn’t even dark. It’s just stupid. The kind of stupid where it shows like the real author, yes, you, reading this roast thinking "haha got 'em", advocate for slavery and random killing for money. Whatever.

But the worst sin of all? The sin that permeates the amateur writing, hell, every writing?

You didn’t even bother to fix the grammar.

Let’s get something straight: if you can’t be bothered to write properly, I can’t be bothered to read it. There are literally thousands of tools that can fix your grenmar. You don’t need to be a master of the English language, but at the bare minimum, you should be capable of forming coherent sentences. Your work reads like it was composed by a half-functioning LLM programmed on nothing but second-rate anime scripts.

And yet, I can already hear your excuses.

"B-But it’s just a hobby!"
Then why do you care about having an audience?

"English isn’t my first language!"
Then take the time to improve before you start demanding attention.

"It gets better later!"
Then why should anyone bother getting that far?

Look, I could sit here and give you constructive criticism. I could tell you to work on character depth, world-building, tension, and proper pacing. But that would imply that you’re willing to improve. And let’s be honest—you’re not. If you were, you would have already done the bare minimum to make this readable.

I don’t need to tell you how to fix this. You need to tell yourself why you even wrote it.

If you think storytelling is just about shoving words onto a page and calling it a novel, then congratulations—you are exactly as forgettable as your writing. So that’s what I’ll do.

Forget you. Ignore you. Move on. This isn’t a story worth remembering, and you aren’t a writer worth reading.
 
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I'm not a picky person when it comes to webnovels. Really, I'm not. I’ve been through the trenches of amateur fiction for a long time. It's a place where the prose is stitched together with the literary equivalent of duct tape and misplaced ambition, and I know what makes things work. I’ve endured dialogue so wooden it could be repurposed as a crooked dining table. I’ve watched aspiring storytellers fail, not because they lacked talent, but because they dared to try—because storytelling is a brutal, unforgiving beast that takes years of discipline to master.

But this? This isn’t even failure. This is the absence of an attempt. This is the delusion of a narrator who thinks they’re above the craft itself, as if simply putting words on a page guarantees that someone, somewhere, will care. Let me break the news to you: nobody cares. Ordinary readers do not appear by divine right. You don’t deserve them, you earn them. And within the first few sentences of your so-called novel, you’ve already failed at this fundamental truth: creation is divine, but persuasion is survival.

When I read something, I look for a reason to stay. It doesn’t have to be perfect—hell, I’m generous. I can forgive janky grammar. I can overlook the occasional cliché if the core idea explored is good. I can even tolerate the presence of yet another overpowered protagonist who inexplicably gets women and power handed to him like free samples at a grocery store because he dared to be born. But what I cannot forgive is pure, unfiltered apathy, because that’s what this so-called "webnovel" is.

You don’t care about storytelling. You don’t care about your characters. You don’t even care about basic readability. If you did, you wouldn’t have vomited this half-formed nonsense onto the internet and expected people to take it seriously.

Two chapters. That’s all I read. It was two chapters too many.

You have somehow managed to take the worst tropes from Japanese light novels (isekai, slavery, lifeless fantasy taverns) and mashed them together with the worst tropes from Chinese web novels (kill first, think never, undeserved power fantasies) to create something so beyond dull, beyond lazy, beyond redemption, that it has transcended even the realm of entertaining failure.

If it was at least spectacularly terrible—the kind of literary atrocity that loops back around into accidental genius, like Invisible Dragon—I could respect that. I could even enjoy it, the way one enjoys watching a fireworks display set off by an amateur with no concept of safety regulations inside of a flammable building. But this isn’t even bad in a memorable way. It’s just there. A static, lifeless block of text, filled with zero tension, zero creativity, and zero MEANINGFUL effort.

Oh, but wait—it gets worse.

Because you, dear "author", expect people to read this. You expect attention, praise, feedback. You expect strangers to dedicate hours of their time to something you couldn’t even bother to proofread. The sheer audacity.

Your protagonist isn’t just overpowered—he’s a walking heap of ego you've put into the story. There is no struggle, no development and sure as hell no fucking reason to care. He’s a personality-deprived husk who casually murders people, collects slaves, and flexes his toned muscles after a bath like he’s auditioning for the role of most insufferable male lead of the decade.

And that comes to that bath scene.

Because why? Why did we need the obligatory “steam rising from his sculpted muscles” moment? Who was that for? You? Your mirror? The nonexistent fangirls in your head? It's 100% for your pitiful ego, why? Because I guarantee no reader was sitting there, thinking, “Wow, I really hope this bland murder machine takes a shower soon so I can hear about his wet abs.”

And while we’re at it, let’s talk about the sheer moral bankruptcy of the story that would've made Wayne Booth have a stroke second time in a row for a different reason. 0% ethics.

Aldric robs and kills people without hesitation—but don’t worry, it’s okay because they were thieves. He buys a literal human being—but don’t worry, he’s kind of nice to her, so that makes it fine. This isn’t even edgy. This isn’t even dark. It’s just stupid. The kind of stupid where it shows like the real author, yes, you, reading this roast thinking "haha got 'em", advocate for slavery and random killing for money. Whatever.

But the worst sin of all? The sin that permeates the amateur writing, hell, every writing?

You didn’t even bother to fix the grammar.

Let’s get something straight: if you can’t be bothered to write properly, I can’t be bothered to read it. There are literally thousands of tools that can fix your grenmar. You don’t need to be a master of the English language, but at the bare minimum, you should be capable of forming coherent sentences. Your work reads like it was composed by a half-functioning LLM programmed on nothing but second-rate anime scripts.

And yet, I can already hear your excuses.

"B-But it’s just a hobby!"
Then why do you care about having an audience?

"English isn’t my first language!"
Then take the time to improve before you start demanding attention.

"It gets better later!"
Then why should anyone bother getting that far?

Look, I could sit here and give you constructive criticism. I could tell you to work on character depth, world-building, tension, and proper pacing. But that would imply that you’re willing to improve. And let’s be honest—you’re not. If you were, you would have already done the bare minimum to make this readable.

I don’t need to tell you how to fix this. You need to tell yourself why you even wrote it.

If you think storytelling is just about shoving words onto a page and calling it a novel, then congratulations—you are exactly as forgettable as your writing. So that’s what I’ll do.

Forget you. Ignore you. Move on. This isn’t a story worth remembering, and you aren’t a writer worth reading.
First of all, thank you for reading.

Second: I know everything you said. This isn't the first time I've heard such criticism; I've heard it hundreds of times before. Thank you for noticing the small details, because it means you've read carefully.

Third: You may think that some scenes are not important, but from my point of view they are important. For example, the bathroom scene. If I do not describe the structure of the main character, how will the reader imagine what he looks like?

Anyway, thanks for reading and replying.
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Third: You may think that some scenes are not important, but from my point of view they are important. For example, the bathroom scene. If I do not describe the structure of the main character, how will the reader imagine what he looks like?

Anyway, thanks for reading and replying.
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Quite often, an MC gets minimal description so that the reader can either create their own, or imagine themself as the hero/ine.
 
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Quite often, an MC gets minimal description so that the reader can either create their own, or imagine themself as the hero/ine.
I know but I prefer not doing that because it has weak impression when you describe it in detail.
 

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I know but I prefer not doing that because it has deep impression when you describe it in detail.
I have not read the story in question (or don't recognize it at least) but if it's first person or something, it is generally best not to describe the character in detail USUALLY, but if it's third person you should at least give minimal details... but really varies by author and story - and how much you want the reader to be invested in the CHARACTER vs. invested in the STORY.
 
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Pretty sure it’s the opposite lmao. Think you might need to read more.
Oh, that is from your perspective.
I have not read the story in question (or don't recognize it at least) but if it's first person or something, it is generally best not to describe the character in detail USUALLY, but if it's third person you should at least give minimal details... but really varies by author and story - and how much you want the reader to be invested in the CHARACTER vs. invested in the STORY.
And that's why, because I use most of the time the third person perspective so I describe the character in detail.
some time I describe when they first appear or after some chapters.
 
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