Is Gender Bender tag ruined?

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Empress_Omnii

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Honestly, jail the parents and doctors.
Obviously... but
Bodily mutilation doesn't change someones sex.
Why should this child not have their mind 'corrected' like you suggest for the isekai character? Is it just because the body is, at birth more feminine or masculine mean that the mind can be shaped to fit that?


I feel like @Omni's example is a little extreme.
I was getting to it, but the explain is a real case. This is something that has happened, apologies for how extreme it is.
 

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I was getting to it, but the explain is a real case. This is something that has happened, apologies for how extreme it is.
Oh yeah, I totally understand it's a real case -- but it's certainly not common lol. The intersex situation is very very common.
 

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Oh yeah, I totally understand it's a real case -- but it's certainly not common lol. The intersex situation is very very common.
You know... you're very good at asking the point I plan on bringing up next.
I was going to then based on the answer ask if body does make it okay to shape a mind to fit the presumed sex. What about for intersex people. But also I expect an answer along the lines of. If one sexual organ is more prevalent, then that should be the one true gender for the person. I was using a not intersex case because I don't know exactly how it is judged by him. I have a bit more reasoning, but I don't known how to be concise.
 

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I'll give an intersex case for Mr. Dragon just for funsies (since I finished my exam for today :blob_happy: )

Let's say you and and your partner are expecting and you get routine prenatal care. You get a gender reveal ultrasound at 18 weeks, which says you're going to have a baby girl because they don't see a PP on US. You and your partner spend all of your time choosing girl names and you're really excited to welcome a baby girl to the world.

Labor and delivery happens and your baby is born with healthy APGAR scores. However, the pediatrician looks at the genitals and can immediately see that something is not right. But since you (or your wife) just went through labor (you're exhausted/emotional), they're not going to tell you immediately that the genitals are weird so they let you have skin-to-skin with your newborn for one hour, and you think you have a baby girl because that's what you've been expecting this entire time and you don't even see a PP on your baby.

After the first hour, they do the routine newborn exam (baby gets taken to the nursery), and they do an ultrasound. They find undescended testicles internally around the area of the kidneys, and the neonatologist determines from this that the testicles will probably never descend and will need to be removed within a year or two because undescended testicles will turn into a cancer if it's not surgically removed.

Meanwhile, they document that the baby has an incompletely fused scrotum (aka a vaginal opening), a very small PP, as well as hypospadius (the urethra does not go out of the PP). After gathering all of this information, the doctor goes back into the postpartum room with you and explains that all of the things that they found -- that your baby is intersex (likely XY but it week take at least a week before the karyotype comes back) but has undescended testicles that need to be surgically removed or else they will turn into cancer.

Your baby will need to go on hormone replacement therapy as a teenager regardless because they won't have any testicles.

However, there are options. Option A is to suture the scrotum together (remove the vagina), with the assumption that you plan to raise your baby as a boy (on testosterone replacement therapy) who will grow up with a tiny micropenis. Option B is to expand the scrotal pouch ("vaginal" opening) with the assumption that you plan to raise your baby as a girl (on estrogen replacement therapy).

The pediatric urologist says that either option is fine, but it's better to do the surgery as a baby because if you wait until adulthood to do it, there's a much higher complication rate (like a ~20% complication rate as an adult versus a ~2% complication rate as a baby), so they recommend doing the surgery earlier because it's not good for quality of life if the surgeons have complications during surgery.
 

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Let's pretend like someone has a vampire lineage, but this person is not born a vampire. They have two vampire parents, but somehow, they were born a full human. Should the parents bite the child after birth because they can make it a vampire?
Let's pretend like someone has a royal lineage, but this person is not born a princess. They have royal parents, but somehow, they were born a filthy peasant. Should the parents crown the child after birth because they can make it a princess?

As for your question, no. Vampires are brats, so they should do the right thing and let them live as human.
 
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Let's pretend like someone has a royal lineage, but this person is not born a princess. They have royal parents, but somehow, they were born a filthy peasant. Should the parents crown the child after birth because they can make it a princess?

As for your question, no. Vampires are brats, so they should do the right thing and let them live as human.
Yes, yes, they should. Everyone deserves to be a princess.
Is that how you became a vampire? :blob_hide:
I will answer your question seriously. My mother told me she liked to bite my cheeks as a baby.
 

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sure tell me about your futa love.
If everyone in the world were a futa, there'd be no need for gender discrimination, nor would there be a need for gender roles. They have the opportunity to be as "masculine" or "feminine" as they want.

Rather than getting [REDACTED] by a woman, I could be satisfying a real body part instead. I'm not sure how far I could go without being banned so I'll still restrain myself.

I'd like to take a minute to tell everyone about the vampy mommy goddess.
You have the floor. Tell us.

Stop * like a pussy.
Stop asterisk like a pussy? Sailus, you're not making any sense.

Come to think of it...You're right.
Sadness, there is always time for a bit of beauty. Also a question, how much time does it take for a vampire to become a MILF proto-MILF, or cougar?
 

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Obviously... but

Why should this child not have their mind 'corrected' like you suggest for the isekai character? Is it just because the body is, at birth more feminine or masculine mean that the mind can be shaped to fit that?
You seem to be under the impression that sex is just genitals and hormones, and that boys and girls are interchangeable if you just modify a few things. This is not the case.
You know... you're very good at asking the point I plan on bringing up next.
I was going to then based on the answer ask if body does make it okay to shape a mind to fit the presumed sex. What about for intersex people. But also I expect an answer along the lines of. If one sexual organ is more prevalent, then that should be the one true gender for the person. I was using a not intersex case because I don't know exactly how it is judged by him. I have a bit more reasoning, but I don't known how to be concise.
Intersex is a result of a genetic defect, an unfortunate circumstance. I think it would be better not to direct how a person develops and one would have to take a special stance on how they are raised.

Trying to apply such special circumstances to the broader population to justify gender theory is intellectually dishonest.
 

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Let's pretend like someone has a royal lineage, but this person is not born a princess. They have royal parents, but somehow, they were born a filthy peasant. Should the parents crown the child after birth because they can make it a princess?

As for your question, no. Vampires are brats, so they should do the right thing and let them live as human.
They should have proper arcs, like getting attacked by an assassin when they turned an adult, finding out the mystery of their lineage, until they finally topple the ruler and become a queen (or princess if that's their taste).
 

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They should have proper arcs, like getting attacked by an assassin when they turned an adult, finding out the mystery of their lineage, until they finally topple the ruler and become a queen (or princess if that's their taste).
 

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You seem to be under the impression that sex is just genitals and hormones, and that boys and girls are interchangeable if you just modify a few things. This is not the case.
I was actually trying to figure out how you judge the difference. You've claimed that men are better than women, but also that the mind can be shaped to fit the body. I don't understand why you don't agree that they are interchangeable if you say an isekai character should just change their mind to fit the opposing gender.
Trying to apply such special circumstances to the broader population to justify gender theory is intellectually dishonest.
Trying to apply broad circumstances for to a minority. Trying to apply a strict understanding of gender as a binary, which is just a human (or maybe for you, religious) construct. To everyone. Is intellectually dishonesty. You look to the claims some that have been injured from taking the medication but choose to ignore that so many others live due to it.


Just because they fall into the majority, does not disprove the existence you seen so against. I am not dishonest in supporting those that your god punishes, I just have a different view on the world and am willing to respect others, regardless of how common their issues are.

I agree that the system isn't perfect, there are false positives. But you also make claims of the system rushing people through it and ignore the others that wait literal decades for access to the care many die without.
 

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You seem to be under the impression that sex is just genitals and hormones, and that boys and girls are interchangeable if you just modify a few things. This is not the case.
Out of curiosity, how do you define sex?

We do not routinely get karyotypes on every baby. Babies are generally declared male or female based on the appearance of their genitals at birth.

However, there's a fair number of 46,XY women walking around in the world (prevalence 6.4 per 100,000). A lot of the time, it's never detected until they're 16 or 17 when they see a doctor because they never started menstruating, but otherwise they're nearly indistigunishable from most other girls.
 

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Let's pretend like someone has a royal lineage, but this person is not born a princess. They have royal parents, but somehow, they were born a filthy peasant. Should the parents crown the child after birth because they can make it a princess?
I don't know if it's bcoz of the alcohol but I was seriously expecting you'd ask if they should bite the child to make them royalty.
Maybe this thread is just taking chunks of my brain at this point. LOL
 
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