Why do you want to live a long life if you are going to be financially poor?

[NotaNuffian]

I try to phrase this as best as I can and it still sounds like I am advocating mass extinction of poor people.

Believe me, I had been yelled at by actual RL people, who also called me an elitist, racist, sexist and all the other kinds of -ist they can find.

And I know it is a ridiculous conversation starter.

But still, I want to ask this question.

"Why do you want to live a long life if you are going to be financially poor?"

For context, assume you are financially poor and will be poor all the way to your death. Your entire life will be filled with debts and you are never able to overcome any struggle or even achieve any material goals.

Why would you want to live a long life?

The most common answer I got is that there are more things in life other than money. Love, friendship and etc etc.

And I will agree that such intangible joys exist and are nice. But have you ever been burdened by the lack of cash in your pocket? Have you starved because of debt? Have you ever felt miserable for dragging your loved ones into your poverty?

Most of us do, when we have hiccups in school years or during a bad investment. We get over it, have new lows as the benchmark and continue living and perhaps even upscale our lives.

But what I am truly referring to is those who are perpetually poor. Those that cannot get themselves out of the quagmire. Those that are stuck forever wealthless and yet will choose to extend their lifespans.

What is the rationale in that?

 

[Deleted member 84247]

I would say survival instinct. It's impossible for everyone to thrive, but nobody wants to die.

 

[DogMaRa]

Well if I know that I am going to poor for the rest of my life then at least let me read some good books before I die.

I don't know if there anything after death but I hope to enjoy many good books at least as it will make it worth being miserable.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

A question in return, why would you want to live a long live if you are going to be rich no matter what you do? Wouldn't it become dreadfully boring when even the wildest and most depraved shit burn you out? Wouldn't the life when there is simply no more stimulations left kill you with boredom?

 

[georgelee5786]

Don't need to be rich to have a good life

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

"Why do you want to live a long life if you are going to be financially poor?"

I don't. I've been trying to kill myself before, but haven't succeeded so far that I eventually got tired. I dunno, but maybe I should wait for my mother to be first, so she won't suffer sadness if I ever tried killing myself--and succeed.

 

[Daitengu]

I don't, but I have a duty to out live my parents. It can't be helped.

 

[NotaNuffian]

A question in return, why would you want to live a long live if you are going to be rich no matter what you do? Wouldn't it become dreadfully boring when even the wildest and most depraved shit burn you out? Wouldn't the life when there is simply no more stimulations left kill you with boredom?

Fairpoint, how many rich people has actually sudokued out of boredom?

Most of them kekked by stupidity though.

Don't need to be rich to have a good life

And I agree to this statement.

 

[DogMaRa]

I dunno, but maybe I should wait for my mother to be first, so she won't suffer sadness if I ever tried killing myself--and succeed.

Respect. I get that.

 

[NotaNuffian]

I don't. I've been trying to kill myself before, but haven't succeeded so far that I eventually got tired. I dunno, but maybe I should wait for my mother to be first, so she won't suffer sadness if I ever tried killing myself--and succeed.

I myself aren't fit to cheer you because I have the same thinking.

I even told my mom that once she's dead, she will receive at best a decade of offerings before I take the shortcut to the ground floor.

Still, look at the bright side of life. There's porn.

Not AI porn though, that shit's garbage.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Fairpoint, how many rich people has actually sudokued out of boredom?

Most of them kekked by stupidity though.

And I agree to this statement.

Some people become even more unhappy with money. It all depends on the person. If you keep wanting and wanting more money, you will probably never be happy. It's an indication that you will never have enough money to be content.

 

[NotaNuffian]

I don't, but I have a duty to out live my parents. It can't be helped.

I already outlived one and it is the one that I hate.

YAY~

Some people become even more unhappy with money. It all depends on the person. If you keep wanting and wanting more money, you will probably never be happy. It's an indication that you will never have enough money to be content.

Fair point.

But once again, I am looking at those with the SEVERE lack of a resource that is somewhat vital to function in this society.

And I hate how it is money.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Fairpoint, how many rich people has actually sudokued out of boredom?

Most of them kekked by stupidity though.

Because they don't get their riches magically out of jinn's ass. They still have to work. Meanwhile I am reversing your concept.

"No matter what you do, you are poor." Turns into, "No matter what you do, you are rich." Sounds awesome until you do everything you wanted in one year, get over stimulated like crazy. You did every drug possible, slept with whoever you wanted, made whatever movies, novels, changed countries, etc. You did everything, in just a year and has nothing else left to do in your life. Or, there are more reasons to live, you tell me. ?‍

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

I myself aren't fit to cheer you because I have the same thinking.

I even told my mom that once she's dead, she will receive at best a decade of offerings before I take the shortcut to the ground floor.

Still, look at the bright side of life. There's porn.

Not AI porn though, that shit's garbage.

Nah. I avoid porn like a plague nowadays. That's where my sperm donor (aka my father) started before it got blown out of proportion and started womanizing. I decided I'm not going to be like the idiot he was, leaving his family in the midst of problem because he's horny.

And it's fine. I'm not looking for any cheering up. I stopped writing and drawing, and it was a painful and difficult decision. But I have to because I need to refocus my energies to other stuff that will actually bring money to our table coz I'm the one left to head what my sperm donor destroyed. Besides, I really suck at writing, and drawing is a part of my writing; it can't be separated. I may do commissions, but I mainly draw so I can tell a story.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Because they don't get their riches magically out of jinn's ass. They still have to work. Meanwhile I am reversing your concept.

"No matter what you do, you are poor." Turns into, "No matter what you do, you are rich." Sounds awesome until you do everything you wanted in one year, get over stimulated like crazy. You did every drug possible, slept with whoever you wanted, made whatever movies, novels, changed countries, etc. You did everything, in just a year and has nothing else left to do in your life. Or, there are more reasons to live, you tell me. ?‍

Be the God Emperor of Humanity?

Have all women bear my geneseed only?

Carve up the entire moon to the likeness of me?

I mean, at this point Slaanesh will give me catalogues to choose from.

Nah. I avoid porn like a plague nowadays. That's where my sperm donor (aka my father) started before it got blown out of proportion and started womanizing. I decided I'm not going to be like the idiot he was, leaving his family in the midst of problem because he's horny.

And it's fine. I'm not looking for any cheering up. I stopped writing and drawing, and it was a painful and difficult decision. But I have to because I need to refocus my energies to other stuff that will actually bring money to our table coz I'm the one left to head what my sperm donor destroyed.

You real bro and pogchamp

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Because they don't get their riches magically out of jinn's ass. They still have to work. Meanwhile I am reversing your concept.

"No matter what you do, you are poor." Turns into, "No matter what you do, you are rich." Sounds awesome until you do everything you wanted in one year, get over stimulated like crazy. You did every drug possible, slept with whoever you wanted, made whatever movies, novels, changed countries, etc. You did everything, in just a year and has nothing else left to do in your life. Or, there are more reasons to live, you tell me. ?‍

You just described why we have so many depressed youth. Overstimulated like crazy. Now only tiktok can quench their hunger for entertainment.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Be the God Emperor of Humanity?

Have all women bear my geneseed only?

Carve up the entire moon to the likeness of me?

I mean, at this point Slaanesh will give me catalogues to choose from.

Nah, you will crave even greater stimulation, but here's the trick, there is none.

 

[DeepWater]

Life is suffering and we live to suffer.

 

[owotrucked]

I agree, the basic answer to "why do people try to live?" would be in general "instinct".

Your question specifically tackles the facets of poverty and hopelessness. And it's a fair question: If you know you have already lived your best days, and that your future is only downhill suffering with no redeeming meaning, what instinct are still remaining to drive people to struggle and survive?

Firstly, I believe one answer to hopelessness and meaninglessness is that no one can truly predict the future. Reaching the conclusion that your future isn't worth might be an overconfidence in your own judgement.

Secondly, life is ups and down. The happiness and suffering you experience are adjusted to a baseline. I think Schopenhauer philosophy mention that. It's the same as how after reaching your goals, you will be happy for a while before you return to your baseline. Happiness is in the pursuit of a goal, rather than the goal itself. In fact, a hobo might experience more happiness to survive through the day than a wage slave.

Thirdly, you might have an anchor bias (like in negotiation technique). I think you imagine this with your financial point of view as an anchor and see that financial ruin is an incredible discouraging loss that might take out your will to live. Well, I think it's a no brainer that such incredible loss would be painful. But I think it's the loss itself more than the state of poverty that truly hurts your will.

If you imagine a slower decline, it's easier to imagine how a ruined person can tank it.

On the other hand, you can see people who have been swindled or lost all their savings at once kill themselves.

So the anchor bias might be the key to your pondering.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Nah, you will crave even greater stimulation, but here's the trick, there is none.

And therefore I shall find my own meaning in life.

At this point it is binge eat chips on couch.