In action combat, characters who wears skirts should at least have some shorts

[CrimsonGenius]

Or tights or leggings. Bicycle shorts would apply. That way you have to hide the underwear by not making the skirt flap.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

No.

 

[beast_regards]

Wrong site. No visual media on the Scribble Hub, except for the occasional static images.

 

[Poleg]

Or tights or leggings. Bicycle shorts would apply. That way you have to hide the underwear by not making the skirt flap.

That is why I fight naked, they can't win if they can't look.

 

[Deleted member 192215]

Or tights or leggings. Bicycle shorts would apply. That way you have to hide the underwear by not making the skirt flap.

Weak Brother!

I thought you were stronger than this. We were Trained, TRAINED!!! For this moment. Yet, you lost your mind to censorship, Brother.

May the Emperor of humanity may NOT forgive you.

 

[Ai-chan]

Why though? Ai-chan enjoys flashing people.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

I agree, but fan service is effective...

 

[RepresentingWrath]

I agree,

Why?

 

[Empress_Omnii]

Why?

Because I and most other women don't like having their undergarments being perved on. The only reason shorts under skirts are avoided in media is to allow for panty shots, and I personally don't appreciate fanservice.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Because I and most other women don't like having their undergarments being perved on. The only reason shorts under skirts are avoided in media is to allow for panty shots, and I personally don't appreciate fanservice.

I understand this point. But if we were to talk about it logically. If a female character is a fighter, they all are excluded from wearing just skirts? An author should make a consious decision to set up fights only at times when female fighter has spats or leggings on? What about ambushes and so on? I agree with critiquing unnecessary fanservice, but saying girls should wear spats when fighting is a bad take in my opinion. It restricts your options and choice of personalities for the character.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

It restricts your options and choice of personalities for the character.

That's fine. If the character if fine with it, or doesn't like things under their skirts? I can't complain. But there so many characters that are embarrassed for when in skirts for fight scenes. For example... like every mahou shoujo..? There are more real life women that wear shorts in non active environments than in anime...
I don't enjoy fanservice, but I won't complain unless it takes away from the show. I get why it is used, but why have a panty shot in as you suggest, an ambush?
Does that do anything for the scene but take away the significance? The only reasons are
1) have bandits leer and be gross
2) comedy to make it less serious
3) fanservice to fanservice
4) I can't think of anything else...

The first option is fine..? But I don't like treating fan service as comedy, especially if the character doesn't like it. (But... yeah it exists, and it is gross.)
But unless the scene means something... why does it exist except for fan service? Just because the character isn't wearing clothing to hide their undergarments shouldn't lead to other characters or the camera taking advantage of it.

 

[Clo]

Tennis skorts for the win!

 

[DarkDuck09]

That's fine. If the character if fine with it, or doesn't like things under their skirts? I can't complain. But there so many characters that are embarrassed for when in skirts for fight scenes. For example... like every mahou shoujo..? There are more real life women that wear shorts in non active environments than in anime...
I don't enjoy fanservice, but I won't complain unless it takes away from the show. I get why it is used, but why have a panty shot in as you suggest, an ambush?
Does that do anything for the scene but take away the significance? The only reasons are
1) have bandits leer and be gross
2) comedy to make it less serious
3) fanservice to fanservice
4) I can't think of anything else...

The first option is fine..? But I don't like treating fan service as comedy, especially if the character doesn't like it. (But... yeah it exists, and it is gross.)
But unless the scene means something... why does it exist except for fan service? Just because the character isn't wearing clothing to hide their undergarments shouldn't lead to other characters or the camera taking advantage of it

I'm not too big into watching anime, but I agree with you on the fan service in it.

I disagree from a writing sense because it happens a lot less in mediums that are not visual based. I could have my female character in a tiny black dress with no underwear on at all doing cartwheels in combat and just not mention or describe any leering or what the underside of the dress looks like. That's an extreme example, but it works to prove my point.

That's also ignoring the part where many MANY female MC's on this site have huge schlongs that pants and shorts can't contain. Different strokes for different folks. Just remember, that surprise the MC was given when they were isekai'd and reincarnated? It's a dick. It's always a dick.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

That's fine. If the character if fine with it, or doesn't like things under their skirts? I can't complain. But there so many characters that are embarrassed for when in skirts for fight scenes. For example... like every mahou shoujo..? There are more real life women that wear shorts in non active environments than in anime...
I don't enjoy fanservice, but I won't complain unless it takes away from the show. I get why it is used, but why have a panty shot in as you suggest, an ambush?
Does that do anything for the scene but take away the significance? The only reasons are
1) have bandits leer and be gross
2) comedy to make it less serious
3) fanservice to fanservice
4) I can't think of anything else...

The first option is fine..? But I don't like treating fan service as comedy, especially if the character doesn't like it.
But unless the scene means something... why does it exist except for fan service? Just because the character isn't wearing clothing to hide their undergarments shouldn't lead to other characters or the camera taking advantage of it.

If we talk about visual medium, the reason why you might have a panty shot is, I know it sounds as a pathetic excuse, for a more striking pose. The girl is on the ground while the enemy is jumping from above. If you simply draw it as a side view it won't be as visually striking as when you move the POV to under the girl.

Spoiler: Example.

The example is not of ambush per se, but how a different positioning of POV(I forgot how it is called properly, sorry) can add so much to the art.

The second point is, well, physics. Skirts aren't glued to crotches or asses. So if a woman does a particularly large movement, if it makes sense we are going to see her panty, you have to show it. Addition, as long as you try to be consistent with how you portray it. If clothes in your work moves randomly, it stops being a valid reason.

The third point is to show personality. She might dislike showing her panties and fighting in skirt, but she persevered through this and kicks ass.

As for real women, I know. My sister does not wear skirts. At all. And I'm not saying you should stuff every girl into a skirt. Yet at the same time, simply because a woman doesn't like wearing skirt doesn't mean she can't fight in it. She can and should if it adds to the scene or her personality. Another thing I want to add is that you should portray it in a way that it doesn't look like a fanservice. Swap the character in an example for a girl in a skirt. With how intense this panel is, I don't think it would've looked like fanservice at all.

Long story short. I don't think women should wear just skirt and panties when they fight for the sake of fanservice. I do think women CAN wear just skirt and panties if it adds something to the art, story, or character.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

I do think women CAN wear just skirt and panties if it adds something to the art, story, or character.

This is the only way I would like it... but has there been anything that handles it in a serious manner? I also think that any scene in which a panty shot is shown, no matter the impact isn't meant to service the fans. But my mind might be changed if I were to see it handled in the way you suggest.
Yet. Even with it bein used to add a scene of fighting through the embarrassment. It generally makes sense for a character like that to wear something under her skirt. I understand that this is probably in part due to fan service... but I feel the desired elements can be achieved without it. Regardless, I definitely prefer what you suggest over the blatant fanservice everywhere.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

This is the only way I would like it... but has there been anything that handles it in a serious manner? I also think that any scene in which a panty shot is shown, no matter the impact isn't meant to service the fans. But my mind might be changed if I were to see it handled in the way you suggest.
Yet. Even with it bein used to add a scene of fighting through the embarrassment. It generally makes sense for a character like that to wear something under her skirt. I understand that this is probably in part due to fan service... but I feel the desired elements can be achieved without it. Regardless, I definitely prefer what you suggest over the blatant fanservice everywhere.

There is! I found a good example.

Spoiler: This is an example of good panty shot. In my opinion of course.

Before you start saying I am a troll, listen to a few things I have to say. First and foremost, personally, I am drawn to MC, a young man who is leaping from above. He holds a freaking lightning in his fist! It's EPIC! And the way her skirts move, to me, shows the sheer pressure MC's move contains, it's so powerful he generated a gust of wind. I can almost see that the impact will leave a small crater once this strike connects.

This is one point. The second point is the girl herself. Throughout the story she is shown as someone who is cold, aloof, doesn't show emotions to others, and most importantly, fakes it. There is a panel where she talks herself into being tough, and it's not a friendly pep talk.

Not only that, it won't make sense for her to wear spats. You might ask, why?
The answer is, because she can do this.

Spoiler: That's what she did before the panel with a panty shot.

Will it makes sense for a person who puts herself above all others, who IS above all others to treat them as something less than bugs? Do you feel ashamed when you are naked and see a bug?

Second to last point. The panel with a panty shot is in the last chapter I think. Before that, MC was held back, his powers were locked. At the end he breaks this lock, and only after breaking the lock he makes that attack with his fist engulfed in lightning. For everyone who read the story, they will be attracted to MC first and foremost.

Last point. That manhwa HAS unnecessary fanservice. But at the same time, it has panels, like the example above, that show panties, but to every normal person it is not fanservice. Because the accent is on a different part of the art.

Edit. Forgot to add. This panty shot panel is close to being an ambush! So we have a full combo here.

 

[greyblob]

Bad opinion

 

[Tempokai]

Or tights or leggings. Bicycle shorts would apply. That way you have to hide the underwear by not making the skirt flap.

If you've got that while reading webnovels, there's something wrong with you instead. Who in the world would READ a text of a girl doing a high kick and think "ah, yes, the gravity of the skirt will make pantsu flash" instead of "wow, a high kick, must have done a lot of damage?" Only perverts or those who have overactive imagination.

If it's a visual media, then it's void too, as it's the fanservice for the masses. If you don't do that, expect lost sales next issue, so mangaka will do it, no matter the consequences and the opinions of some randos on the internet. If it sells, it sells. If it persuades people to read the manga, they'll continue to do it.

 

[CrimsonGenius]

If you've got that while reading webnovels, there's something wrong with you instead. Who in the world would READ a text of a girl doing a high kick and think "ah, yes, the gravity of the skirt will make pantsu flash" instead of "wow, a high kick, must have done a lot of damage?" Only perverts or those who have overactive imagination.

If it's a visual media, then it's void too, as it's the fanservice for the masses. If you don't do that, expect lost sales next issue, so mangaka will do it, no matter the consequences and the opinions of some randos on the internet. If it sells, it sells. If it persuades people to read the manga, they'll continue to do it.

It’s visual. I’m not being a puritan. It’s just I’ve seen some anime take every advantage to not show an upskirt when gravity says shows it.

 

[Clo]

Maka in the Soul Eater anime fights in a very short skirt, and I believe they never ever flash her panties in any episode.

It can be done tastefully. And really, it should be.