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[Clo]

I thought it would be considered under AI generated content because you requested a prompt and edited with that prompt into your final piece.

AI-generated implies a majority of the output is copy-pasted from generative software. It's generally understood that it is generated if you asked something like "write the first chapter of a story about two drow lovers."

If you instead copy a story you wrote and then ask "can you help me fix this up?", it's AI-assisted, because the text came from you, even if it's spell-checked and some of it rephrased by AI.

The line in the sand is legally and technically quite blurry though, since words like "significant portion" or "occasional use" can have wildly different meanings based on who you ask.

 

[Hsinat]

AI-generated implies a majority of the output is copy-pasted from generative software. It's generally understood that it is generated if you asked something like "write the first chapter of a story about two drow lovers."

If you instead copy a story you wrote and then ask "can you help me fix this up?", it's AI-assisted, because the text came from you, even if it's spell-checked and some of it rephrased by AI.

The line in the sand is legally and technically quite blurry though, since words like "significant portion" or "occasional use" can have wildly different meanings based on who you ask.

Then people will be able to exploit and abuse it to unmeasurable amounts, if it went unnoticed and untagged.
My fear is becoming more true day by day....

 

[beast_regards]

I chose to tag it because I want to help normalise it; everybody uses AI to some degree. Phone predictive text is AI. Voice recognition is. Grammarly, MSWord, Google Docs, ProWritingAid, DabbleWriter, name-generators; they are all AI-powered.

Everything is "AI-Powered" these days.

Even my cofeemaker.

If something is marketed as the "AI" doesn't mean it actually is AI. The term doesn't mean anything these days, it is nothing but the buzz-word, marketing slogan, entirely meaningless. It used to mean something, yes, but then it started to be used all of the time and usually out of context, often by people without any technical acumen like marketing managers and journalist, it lost any meaning it once has. Now, it's meaningless, and when everything is AI, nothing is.

The software behind Grammarly or ProWrittingAid predates the services like the ChatGPT, and wasn't originally marketed as the AI, and was developed separatelly. There is nothing antificially intelligent behind it. It just sounds cooler of you called it this way. Four or five years ago, grammarly existed, but ChatGPT did not. To be fair chatbots did exist too, they aren't that new technology either, but they weren't marketed as AI. However, time changed, and companies started to put "AI" words (not functions) into everything, to keep up with competition, and these days, everything is "AI".

My chair is probably "AI" even if it doesn't have any electronic parts, but marketing couldn't tell the difference.

Now, the AI start turning into an insult. A swearword.

 

[Clo]

Four or five years ago, grammarly existed, but ChatGPT did not.

The tech behind GPT is decades old. I used predictive LLM in 1984.

Grammar and Spell checkers didn't use to rely on LLM before, but now they do.

Using Grammarly or GPT to fix your text is essentially the same thing, except one is vilified and other isn't.

But mechanically, they're the same thing.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

The tech behind GPT is decades old. I used predictive LLM in 1984.

Grammar and Spell checkers didn't use to rely on LLM before, but now they do.

Using Grammarly or GPT to fix your text is essentially the same thing, except one is vilified and other isn't.

But mechanically, they're the same thing.

On a side note, Grammarly before the AI craze begun was much better.

 

[Clo]

On a side note, Grammarly before the AI craze begun was much better.

Back when it was using rule-based corrections.

This same difference can be seen between how games often use Machine Learning AI now, but used to be programmed with deterministic algorhythms to evaluate all their possible moves. "For every square my queen can move to, increase the score by 1 point. If it puts the enemy in Check, increase the score by 50 points. If it puts them in checkmate, increase by 65536 points."

 

[beast_regards]

The tech behind GPT is decades old. I used predictive LLM in 1984.

Grammar and Spell checkers didn't use to rely on LLM before, but now they do.

Using Grammarly or GPT to fix your text is essentially the same thing, except one is vilified and other isn't.

But mechanically, they're the same thing.

Neither is an AI.

The definition of what is or isn't AI has shifted several times already. Things that had once been colloquially called as AI aren't considered one before, and you, as the game developer, know it.

 

[Clo]

Neither is an AI.

I prefer to think of them as both of them are AI, myself.

But I suppose my definition of Artificial Intelligence is pretty loose.

Any decision-making by software counts as AI to me.

By definition, LLM and deterministic decision making both fall under the broad category of symbolic AI.

You seem to reserve the word AI for AGI, or general intelligence, which is used for human-like cognition.

Which no form of AI currently does that, and you are correct in your statement, if you hold everything up to that lens.

To me? A Diff tool is AI. A photoshop filter is a form of AI. Starcraft bots are deterministic AI. Age of Empires bots are a mix of probability (Machine learning, used mostly to evaluate probably of success in a battle) and deterministic AI.

 

[beast_regards]

I prefer to think of them as both of them are AI, myself.

But I suppose my definition of Artificial Intelligence is pretty loose.

Any decision-making by software counts as AI to me.

By definition, LLM and deterministic decision making both fall under the broad category of symbolic AI.

You seem to reserve the word AI for AGI, or general intelligence, which is used for human-like cognition.

Which no form of AI currently does that, and you are correct in your statement, if you hold everything up to that lens.

To me? A Diff tool is AI. A photoshop filter is a form of AI. Starcraft bots are deterministic AI. Age of Empires bots are a mix of probability (Machine learning, used mostly to evaluate probably of success in a battle) and deterministic AI.

Exactly. The AI - it's original meaning, not the new, marketing term - is far beyond the capabilities of the current technology, as our "AI" isn't in any way truly "intelligent", nor it is actually "creative".

Even the generative one. It is not capable of replacing the human creativity in any shape of form.

It's very sophisticated randomizer, to put it in simple terms.

However, most people who doesn't really understand what the "AI" does, and how it does it, assume the content has been created without any real human imput, but that's not true, not even for the ChatGPT generative process, let alone for the rephrasing feature of the services like one the Google or the Pro-Writing-Aid uses. It's not really coming from nowhere.

But people think it is coming from nowhere, and punish the writer for it, even if it probably only corrected a few typos, while mispelling them in other, more unpredictable way, as it doesn't really understand context of the sentence. It isn't there. Yet, people think it demands punishment, and they couldn't be reasoned with.

Hell, people try to punish others for even posting the content that has been created without any "AI" imput, just because they can.

To force the writer to "man up".

And now you want to provide the people with incentive to punish everyone even more, for something that doesn't even exist?

Especially for something that doesn't really exist and is nothing more than a creative marketing.

 

[Clo]

And now you want to provide the people with incentive to punish everyone even more, for something that doesn't even exist?

Especially for something that doesn't really exist and is nothing more than a creative marketing.

Just so we're clear, I'm absolutely not in favour of adding the tag to ScribbleHub, so the "You" in this sentence is probably whoever the OP who started this thread is.

Personally, I'd mark my story as AI-Assisted, but I'm not doing it as a way to claim "AI is here", I'm doing it out of malicious compliance.

Because if everybody was honest about what is "AI-assisted", it would be everything (using the loose definition of AI)
And if we use the actual definition if AI, then nothing would be marked as AI-assisted.

In both case, it renders the tag worthless.

 

[beast_regards]

Just so we're clear, I'm absolutely not in favour of adding the tag to ScribbleHub, so the "You" in this sentence is probably whoever the OP who started this thread is.

Personally, I'd mark my story as AI-Assisted, but I'm not doing it as a way to claim "AI is here", I'm doing it out of malicious compliance.

Because if everybody was honest about what is "AI-assisted", it would be everything (using the loose definition of AI)
And if we use the actual definition if AI, then nothing would be marked as AI-assisted.

In both case, it renders the tag worthless.

I was about to edit the response, but ...

On the one hand, yes, pointing at you (specifically, as the person) in this thread is extremely unfair...

On the other hand, however, it is exactly how the most interactions on the Internet are - unfair. And this is how this tagging could lead to.

It's just making things worse. Unfair, just like my accusation.

Just like other content tags on that other site made everything worse. They tried to warn the readers, but made everything worse for both readers and writers, as it made the tagging unreliable (enable everything to not get in trouble with mods) and posting entirely pointless (as stories with content tags are invisible).

Not to mention, with the amount of generalization and deceptive marketing involved, could you even be honest about the "AI-assisted" content.

Is the story AI-assisted because my coffeemaker supposedly is. Very inspiring sip of coffee it was.

Is the story AI-assisted because supposedly my chair is somehow made better by it, even if it has no electric components?

Is the story AI-assisted because of the "features" the Microsoft put in the Windows 11?

Is my story AI-assisted because this session is opened in Google Chrome?

Oh, how many other features attributed to AI (even if it really isn't) should be taken in account, for sake of honesty, before we even consider things like Pro-writing-Aid or Grammarly?

Actually, are you even talking with me ... or it is some nebulous AI doing so?

What if we are both AI?

 

[Clo]

Actually, are you even talking with me ... or it is some nebulous AI doing so?

What if we are both AI?

I mean, even if either of us were AI, would it matter?

I fully believe an interesting conversation can happen between a biological being and a sentient, artifically made one. I personally don't suscribe to the idea where "man-made" is inferior to "naturally occuring". It's actually a main theme in my story...

Is a plastic rose inherently inferior to a "real" one? What makes the platisc role "not real", anyway? I can touch it, it's right THERE.

I know people use "real" as short-hand for something more complicated than "actually physically there and touchable", but I'm still annoyed at where we trace the lines.

Is a non-fiction story about grief necessarily stronger than a fiction story about grief? After all, the non-fiction one happened. It's "real".
But the fiction story could be totally made up. Or have a lot of made-up components, like centaurs and beastfolks.

To me, that doesn't make it any less valid.

Not to mention, with the amount of generalization and deceptive marketing involved, could you even be honest about the "AI-assisted" content.

Is the story AI-assisted because my coffeemaker supposedly is. Very inspiring sip of coffee it was.

Is the story AI-assisted because supposedly my chair is somehow made better by it, even if it has no electric components?

Is the story AI-assisted because of the "features" the Microsoft put in the Windows 11?

Is my story AI-assisted because this session is opened in Google Chrome?

Oh, how many other features attributed to AI (even if it really isn't) should be taken in account, for sake of honesty, before we even consider things like Pro-writing-Aid or Grammarly?

As for that part: I guess the only way to be 100% not AI would be to go off the grid, and write something with paper and ink.

But hey, make sure it's actually ink made by a human, and a pen that wasn't manufactured by an automated machine in a plant.

Same for the paper! Better be some proper, human-weaved tree bark!

 

[beast_regards]

I mean, even if either of us were AI, would it matter?

Well, yes, if we were both AI, imagine all the tags this conversation would require.

 

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Also, I would really be worried about the AI purity hunting that might occur. I've seen multiple instances or hostility and death threats towards AI content creators in the past. Even non-AI content that is even a little bit AI-feeling isn't free from it once the crazies come out (even if no AI was used at all).

 

[TreasureHouse]

I think what we really need to do is a certified Organic™ tag

 

[GonzoGuilty]

I think what we really need to do is a certified Organic™ tag
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[Clo]

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The irony is perfection.

 

[beast_regards]

By the way, does it mean that the people wouldn't be no longer allowed to complain about the poor grammar?

After all, they banned the Grammarly tool...

Of better yet, does it mean they wouldn't be able to complain about stupid protagonist?

There is no A...u..oooo .... InTeLiGenCeEEEEEE, ...so stories would finally be about idiots!

 

[Ai-chan]

Are you saying the whole content is written by AI? Report it! Only Ai-chan can post a story written by Ai!