Making a living off writing stories

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About a year ago I was hired to write the prequel to a moderately well known book series. It's a good gig, but I'd never be able to live off of it. I used to think I didn't want writing to be my career because that would take the magic out of it, but after working a few dead end jobs I've long since reconsidered that. Any suggestions (that don't involve writing porn) on how I can make enough money writing stories to live comfortably off of it?
 
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Write one type of story that is popular for the medium you are using. Then write a second story you are passionate about. The first thing is going to make you money, but the second thing will be unique to you. If your first story does well, the second can get more traction. There is a possibility it also becomes a hit. And if something is unique and becomes a hit at the same time, it will likely gain fans who are crazy about it.
 

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Smut isn't as profitable as many people assume. In fact, it's the opposite. You can pretty much rule Kindle out, and Patreon often receives far less attention than non-smut authors because they have a wider range of platforms to publish on.
 

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Yeah... Don't write smut. Speaking as a smut author, there's so much free porn out there, people won't pay for yours. People pay you for your writing style.

For anyone reading who wants to get into writing smut, take it from me. Don't focus too heavily on writing the NSFW scenes. Focus on writing a good story first and foremost.
 

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But I SUCK at writing litrpgs ?
Check out what is big on other sites. Different sites have different audiences. Also, get on SubStack (Home | Substack) if you aren't already - there is a lot of advice for professional and semi-pro writers there.
Sure, sometimes most of it seems to be "Pay me and I'll tell you how to make money writing" ... but, unlike the ones on, say, FaceBook that say this, most of these seem legit, like people who really want to help others (while making a buck)...
Yeah... Don't write smut. Speaking as a smut author, there's so much free porn out there, people won't pay for yours. People pay you for your writing style.

For anyone reading who wants to get into writing smut, take it from me. Don't focus too heavily on writing the NSFW scenes. Focus on writing a good story first and foremost.
Heh - yeah, I've been half-trying to write a smut story for a few weeks now. Keep getting sidetracked by the story and forgetting to go back and do the NSFW stuff (also just found out what the term "Ecchi" means and it seems to be my regular style ... but this story DEMANDS the full frontal assault, as it were so...)...
Then again, I also have that problem watching porn - if they don't make an effort at a story I just find myself laughing at it instead of getting into it. If they DO make an effort, then I just start getting "into" the story and BAM... sex scene. And I get a little ticked off by the sidetracking, but just as I start getting into the scene ... BAM - the story is back... Like driving down a street, hitting a speed bump, finding yourself in a different street, figuring out where you are and hitting another speed bump putting you back on the first street...
 

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Jumping into writing fiction as a job isn't really something people do. They write on the side while working other jobs, and switch to full time if they are able. This is true of almost every successful author.

Even just writing articles and such is pretty much a side-gig until you've established yourself.

You can find people all over California who moved to Hollywood to become an actor who has now worked at the same Ace Hardware for 20 years, but keeps trying. That's kind of what it takes.

Sanderson worked the night shift at a hotel desk for a few years and wrote during most of that time. Try to find a job that doesn't drain you that you can work while writing.

There isn't a secret to doing it, other than being good at it, and puting in the work. Successful Streamers/Authors/Actors etc all have one thing in common, they made it the thing they do after work (meaning no other freetime/hobbies), poured themselves into the craft, then after a long time (years), were able to transition to their craft as their income source.
 

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Any suggestions (that don't involve writing porn) on how I can make enough money writing stories to live comfortably off of it?
You'll have to be a pulp writer.

 

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Jumping into writing fiction as a job isn't really something people do. They write on the side while working other jobs, and switch to full time if they are able. This is true of almost every successful author.

Even just writing articles and such is pretty much a side-gig until you've established yourself.

You can find people all over California who moved to Hollywood to become an actor who has now worked at the same Ace Hardware for 20 years, but keeps trying. That's kind of what it takes.

Sanderson worked the night shift at a hotel desk for a few years and wrote during most of that time. Try to find a job that doesn't drain you that you can work while writing.

There isn't a secret to doing it, other than being good at it, and puting in the work. Successful Streamers/Authors/Actors etc all have one thing in common, they made it the thing they do after work (meaning no other freetime/hobbies), poured themselves into the craft, then after a long time (years), were able to transition to their craft as their income source.

This is the most realistic response I am feeling. I'm at the stage where I've done all of the above, and simply have not gotten lucky yet. It has been years still...

If any person or place is hiring even a modest amount for writing a book, many authors would jump at the chance to weigh the options.
 

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I started writing and earning money with zero experience, my english four years ago was awful too, but I made it out rather successfully somehow. I didnt really had any side gig and was currently unemployed, and I wrote a novel I just wanted to write myself only for personal entertainment. It didnt become a massive hit or something, nor it became a best seller either, it didnt made me famous or popular. It just did fine and then I wrote more novels to the sides that did fine or ok and it earned more money accumulatively.
I dont work at anything else than writing (I have actually never worked in anything either in my entire life). Most people that tell you its hard live in expensive countries like America or Europe where you can't make a living out of 2k bucks a month (I earn more than that now). Maybe it helped I started in the earlier years of Webnovel where it wasnt so overly saturated as it is now, and I earned myself a comfortable spot there.
I've never gone to Amazon, I've never published physical books or gotten any sort of big company deal or whatever. And I think there's a lot of authors like me. Is it realiable for the rest of your life? Should be as long as the internet exists and you save your money. Technically with the money I've saved I could retire right now (at 26) and live leisurely. But I mostly write because its fun.
 

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About a year ago I was hired to write the prequel to a moderately well known book series. It's a good gig, but I'd never be able to live off of it. I used to think I didn't want writing to be my career because that would take the magic out of it, but after working a few dead end jobs I've long since reconsidered that. Any suggestions (that don't involve writing porn) on how I can make enough money writing stories to live comfortably off of it?
Yeah. Google collection Agencies in your area. Go get a job there.

1) Its a commission job, so if you work hard, you can make a fairly decent bit of coin.
2) The strangest people show up there. Ask them to talk to you and tell you their strange stories. Steal the material for a book.

I have long thought of a Sit Com called PIF. (Paid In Full) When you have co workers called, "The Nostril", you know you work in a strange place. Unfortunately, it would be more like Taxi than anything else. There are many funny things in collections, but nothing happy.

Otherwise, GHOST WRITING. Go on fiverr.
However, the era of ghost writing is dead. I occasionally get jobs from old friends when they are in a pinch, but the era of AI stories has killed the need for ghost writers.
 

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If you live in the U.S. or EU... is hard because the bar for standard of living is high.
If you live in a place where the minimum wage is 235 dollars a month... well, that is another story completely. Now you just have to do well enough to earn yourself 235 dollars a month and you wouldn't be needing to work a hell job.

depends on where you live.
 

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Friendly reminder to everyone involved that the webnovel contracts prevent authors from saying anything disparaging about webnovel, so any posts promoting it from people actively using it cannot give you potential downside information. Further, webnovel is funded by the Chinese Communist Party, and disputes must be handled in chinese courts.
 
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Smut isn't as profitable as many people assume. In fact, it's the opposite. You can pretty much rule Kindle out, and Patreon often receives far less attention than non-smut authors because they have a wider range of platforms to publish on.
Sorry, but I have to partly disagree. There's a lot of mid level to crap smut out there in the wild. And it's like anything If you're good at building up your characters and unfold the story, then writing smut can be profitable. That Was one of the reasons why I started writing myself because I was struggling to find stories with smut that I loved. They're out there but man you have to sift through a lot of stuff.

And writing smut is like writing any type of story you have to do it well, and you have to write characters that the readers want them to be in a hot love scenes. Also, a bonus is if you can add a plot on top of that that keeps the your readers and builds that audience. The most interesting thing I found was when my readers started disgusting the plot and wondering what was going to happen next.

For me, I'm getting closer to making this a career, but it's taken almost two years for me to get to a point where I see it as a possibility. And I think I could write a story that is SFW and get my current audience to fallow along while getting a new audience.

And for putting stuff on Kindle Personally I haven't got my stuff ready to post on their yet, but I think you want to go with the exclusive deal if you want to make money after I was asking around other authors that posted their stuff on there.
 
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The Royal Road is built on the dream. A dream that you, as the amateur writer, could become a professional author which doesn't have to deal with the pesky dead-end job and ...

Look what a cesspit it ended to be.

You could rant about how you hate LitRPG, and how you hate smut, and other things, and in the end, it doesn't matter. Include it, or don't include it, your livelihood is still dependent on the bunch of a-holes with more website accounts than common sense (or empathy for what matters), with malicious (and borderline fraudulent) moderation, with an only way out a contract to the multi-billion corporation which doesn't consider you more than the disposable fly.

Only way to make money is through traditional publishing as their business model is, in fact, still reliant on selling copies of books and even then, the entry bar is too high to be worth the effort.

Nothing really prevents you from submitting your novel to them, but they reject hundreds of work each day
 
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Jumping into writing fiction as a job isn't really something people do. They write on the side while working other jobs, and switch to full time if they are able. This is true of almost every successful author.

Even just writing articles and such is pretty much a side-gig until you've established yourself.

You can find people all over California who moved to Hollywood to become an actor who has now worked at the same Ace Hardware for 20 years, but keeps trying. That's kind of what it takes.

Sanderson worked the night shift at a hotel desk for a few years and wrote during most of that time. Try to find a job that doesn't drain you that you can work while writing.

There isn't a secret to doing it, other than being good at it, and puting in the work. Successful Streamers/Authors/Actors etc all have one thing in common, they made it the thing they do after work (meaning no other freetime/hobbies), poured themselves into the craft, then after a long time (years), were able to transition to their craft as their income source.
AFAICT there are five types of successful writers:

  • Those who never did anything else and just kept plugging along (most of them have a wealthy SO or family that supports them, and they often also work as journalists or do copywriting and side gigs - or wrote back in the day when there were Patrons of the Arts who would fund artists of all sorts).
  • Those who wandered from job to job over the years, writing on the side, who finally got something to sell and kept working until they had multiple sales, then finally stopped working to write full time. This is traditionally the most common.
  • Those who got INSANELY lucky and kept at it (Chris ... probably spelling this wrong Paolini, the guy who wrote the Eragon novels, is of this sort, as is comic book legend Jim Shooter, both who started in their mid-teens; heck, Mary Shelley also fell into this camp; ironically, her best writing is virtually unknown today but her first effort, Frankenstein: Or the Modern Prometheus is one of the best known novels in the English-speaking world). This is the least common.
  • Those who had a comfortable living, lost it or retired from it and now write full time (there are a LOT of people who wound up in this bracket during COVID). These are the people behind Substack AFAICT.
  • Those who get into a "stable" like those Tom Clancy and a few other "mega-successful" authors have used over the years.
 

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AFAICT there are five types of successful writers:

  • Those who never did anything else and just kept plugging along (most of them have a wealthy SO or family that supports them, and they often also work as journalists or do copywriting and side gigs - or wrote back in the day when there were Patrons of the Arts who would fund artists of all sorts).
  • Those who wandered from job to job over the years, writing on the side, who finally got something to sell and kept working until they had multiple sales, then finally stopped working to write full time. This is traditionally the most common.
  • Those who got INSANELY lucky and kept at it (Chris ... probably spelling this wrong Paolini, the guy who wrote the Eragon novels, is of this sort, as is comic book legend Jim Shooter, both who started in their mid-teens; heck, Mary Shelley also fell into this camp; ironically, her best writing is virtually unknown today but her first effort, Frankenstein: Or the Modern Prometheus is one of the best known novels in the English-speaking world). This is the least common.
  • Those who had a comfortable living, lost it or retired from it and now write full time (there are a LOT of people who wound up in this bracket during COVID). These are the people behind Substack AFAICT.
  • Those who get into a "stable" like those Tom Clancy and a few other "mega-successful" authors have used over the years.
It is worth to mention that the (serialized) web novels are subscription services which rely on the constant stream of the daily content released over the long periods of time, usually months, even years, without the end in sight. This is not only extremely time consuming, but it is also heavily reliant on the Internet clout you have, where one person with too many accounts could send you to do the pits of obscurity anytime they wish and your only way to prevent this is to outgrow the constant attrition. This simply isn't sustainable, and both the Royal Road and the Webnovel know this.

The non-serialized works are usually the pulp fiction, also released electronically in this time and age (as opposed to paperback in the days past). This is often erotica or romance (for women), and action and erotica (for men). The authors often reiterate on the same thing again and again, with one book overly similar to another, just with the little re-skin in each variant, as writers are forced to release a new book every one or two months, depending on competition. Any slower and you are falling behind, so three months between books and you are on the verge of heading to oblivion, as new and new novels are being released. You are less dependent on the whims of the random people with too many accounts, but you still need to do advertising, marketing and so on. This at least go through actual publishers most of the time, but often the small, pulp fiction one.

Third option are professional writers which release book every few years with traditional publishing houses, but those are extremely popular big name writers - Martin, King, Sanderson, this kind of names - and it is incredibly difficult to get there, regardless of the genre. This is only option for the traditional fiction ...

In the first and second option, you don't necessarily need to write erotica or LitRPG, it's your choice, but your work would still be considered within the same brackets as the novels which are either of those.
 

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The Royal Road is built on the dream. A dream that you, as the amateur writer, could become a professional author which doesn't have to deal with the pesky dead-end job and ...

Look what a cesspit it ended to be.

You could rant about how you hate LitRPG, and how you hate smut, and other things, and in the end, it doesn't matter. Include it, or don't include it, your livelihood is still dependent on the bunch of a-holes with more website accounts than common sense (or empathy for what matters), with malicious (and borderline fraudulent) moderation, with an only way out a contract to the multi-billion corporation which doesn't consider you more than the disposable fly.

Only way to make money is through traditional publishing as their business model is, in fact, still reliant on selling copies of books and even then, the entry bar is too high to be worth the effort.

Nothing really prevents you from submitting your novel to them, but they reject hundreds of work each day

I'm an outsider from the acting biz, so correct me if I am wrong: but isn't Royal Road the exact definition of a vanity press? I know that in the book world you have these predatory publishers who prey on a dream and will let you publish a book, but you gotta pay dues outta your face until you are blue (adverts on the site) just to even get a shot at stardom. You are paying overpriced fees for what is essentially a fancy book binding, which would be better served by hosting your own website because its about to get around the same traffic as it would without the ads: pretty close to zero.

I really don't like pay-to-win schemes, played too much bad gacha to want to deal with this kind of stuff, so the whole idea of a vanity press, but gacha really rubs me the wrong way too.
 
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