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[Deleted member 1244]

If Fuyu had something unique to them, I'm sure AG would be more than glad to establish a branch there, because if not Merchant Guild would do it. Monopoly is a great thing for us evil capitalism.

BTW I love the merchant guild don't get me wrong.
But Here is my thinking I think

Lets say, Fuyu goes," We want to negotiate a deal with Scible, I wll give you 100 Gs make it happen"

You an adventurer would go, "Sure I'll investigate and make a reasonable argument." You make up out more lore to make it happen right?
But if there is no lore , all the setting can't support the deal then what?

I would go the Liana seduction route of nobles or the Lady Saskia Rosenthal's vanity route. A deal with two places does not necessary have to "work" is what I am thinking. Its nice if it is but if it ain't. its fine I think.

And a deal based in corruption will fail further down the line, but for now there will be a board in fuyu.

 

[Nahrenne]

Already completed

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Then why hasn't @ohko striked through the quest to show it's completed?
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[Epsil]

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Then why hasn't @ohko striked through the quest to show it's completed?
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I don't know '_'

 

[Nahrenne]

I would go the Liana seduction route of nobles or the Lady Saskia Rosenthal's vanity route. A deal with two places does not necessary have to "work" is what I am thinking. It nice if it is but if it aint. it fine I think.

And a deal based in corruption will fail further down the line, but for now there will be a board in fuyu.

Liana and my NPC's got mentioned!

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[Deleted member 1244]

Then why hasn't @ohko striked through the quest to show it's completed?

It was a flower conversed in ash and blood... IIRC

 

[Epsil]

BTW I love the merchant guild don't get me wrong.
But Here is my thinking I think

Lets say, Fuyu goes," We want to negotiate a deal with Scible, I wll give you 100 Gs make it happen"

You an adventurer would go, "Sure I'll investigate and make a reasonable argument." You make up out more lore to make it happen right?
But if there is no lore , all the setting can't support the deal then what?

I would go the Liana seduction route of nobles or the Lady Saskia Rosenthal's vanity route. A deal with two places does not necessary have to "work" is what I am thinking. Its nice if it is but if it ain't. its fine I think.

And a deal based in corruption will fail further down the line, but for now there will be a board in fuyu.

Do nobles have that much pull in the AG? Other than providing quests, they can't provide much to the AG. The Merchant's guild are more likely to cater to nobles, and the AG is more likely to cater to the lower-middle class as that is their main working faction. AG doesn't need much gold investment as the Merchant's guild.

 

[Nahrenne]

I don't know '_'

I really wish there as a no_mouth reaction...it would have been perfect for your post...
orz
Stupid Tony completely ignoring my request because it was me who requested it.

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[Nahrenne]

Do nobles have that much pull in the AG? Other than providing quests, they can't provide much to the AG. The Merchant's guild are more likely to cater to nobles, and the AG is more likely to cater to the lower-middle class as that is their main working faction.

The nobles are involved in the government of Scribel City, I'd imagine.
Also, Lord Rosenthal is definitely a government official, so he'd have some sway in things.
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[GDLiZy]

BTW I love the merchant guild don't get me wrong.
But Here is my thinking I think

Lets say, Fuyu goes," We want to negotiate a deal with Scible, I wll give you 100 Gs make it happen"

You an adventurer would go, "Sure I'll investigate and make a reasonable argument." You make up out more lore to make it happen right?
But if there is no lore , all the setting can't support the deal then what?

I would go the Liana seduction route of nobles or the Lady Saskia Rosenthal's vanity route. A deal with two places does not necessary have to "work" is what I am thinking. Its nice if it is but if it ain't. its fine I think.

And a deal based in corruption will fail further down the line, but for now there will be a board in fuyu.

... but then we won't have Adventurer Guild in Fuyu? We'll just have the board, but no operational base.

 

[Nahrenne]

Going to bed now.
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*sigh*
We'll probably pass the 500 page mark before I come back on...
orz

Congratz to the person who will be the first post on that page!
\o/

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[Silver]

Going to bed now.
o/
*sigh*
We'll probably pass the 500 page mark before I come back on...
orz

Congratz to the person who will be the first post on that page!
\o/

X

Good night,

 

[ohko]

The problem is that Fuyu lacked something unique for AG to bear the loss and helped them. We knew that Oni wanted to destroy Fuyu, but we don't know anything about why, or what benefits they would get. They also seemed to have no goodies that could entice AG enough, not with the current offer.

If Fuyu had something unique to them, I'm sure AG would be more than glad to establish a branch there, because if not Merchant Guild would do it. Monopoly is a great thing for us evil capitalism.

What confuses me about the Merchant Guild thing is that I don't see why any state would agree to a monopoly-style deal with the Merchant Guild.

The premise behind a medieval guild (which Scribel's guilds are based upon), is that they control 100% of the industry in a certain trade. For instance, the role of the Merchant Guild in Scribel City is to regulate trade. Any merchant who does business without enrollment/licenses from the guild is illegal by law. Similarly speaking, the existence of a Blacksmith Guild usually implies that it's illegal for a craftsmen to run a blacksmith's shop without being part of the guild. This is because the entire purpose of guilds is to regulate prices and quality of an entire industry.

I don't see how or why Fuyu Machi would ever agree to surrender their entire mercantile economy to the Scribel Merchant's Guild.

Even if you take the perspective that the Merchant's Guild will seek a trade monopoly, that makes zero sense why Fuyu (or any country) would agree to make the Scribel Merchant's guild their only supplier. It's literally the worst (or most short-sighted) decision that any country could possibly negotiate for themselves.

Anyways... nevermind... that's just my personal problem with this kind of interpretation of the merchant's guild.

IMO, the only real way to establish a Merchant's Guild branch is if all the existing shopkeepers in Fuyu Machi (or Gelderholm or any human country) agree that they wish to form a guild. Most likely, that guild would be independent of the Scribel Merchant's Guild, and at best they would collaborate on similar standards.

If you view the Merchant's Guild as a transportation organization, then they will nearly always have to compete will local merchants and traders. It's hard for me to imagine why Fuyu would willingly sell out their own traders/merchants and freely give a monopoly to these human foreigners...?

 

[Epsil]

Going to bed now.
o/
*sigh*
We'll probably pass the 500 page mark before I come back on...
orz

Congratz to the person who will be the first post on that page!
\o/

X

Good night! Nahrenne

 

[ohko]

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Then why hasn't @ohko striked through the quest to show it's completed?
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X

It's open until I decide to strike it out... which may or may not be soon? Dunno yet! XD

Also goodnight!

 

[Deleted member 1244]

... but then we won't have Adventurer Guild in Fuyu? We'll just have the board, but no operational base.

Could be? could be a a number of things, could be that quest have not cash rewards only goods and exp?
But if we are stuck we can just change the paradigm of what we want.

One possiblity is that the quest board quests in fuyu will be a path to make fuyu a branch of AG or collapse,
And once the Fuyu quest line ends, It will become a static board like the rest. that can also work i think.

Its a living world so I think quest board should be no exception.

 

[ohko]

What confuses me about the Merchant Guild thing is that I don't see why any state would agree to a monopoly-style deal with the Merchant Guild.

The premise behind a medieval guild (which Scribel's guilds are based upon), is that they control 100% of the industry in a certain trade. For instance, the role of the Merchant Guild in Scribel City is to regulate trade. Any merchant who does business without enrollment/licenses from the guild is illegal by law. Similarly speaking, the existence of a Blacksmith Guild usually implies that it's illegal for a craftsmen to run a blacksmith's shop without being part of the guild. This is because the entire purpose of guilds is to regulate prices and quality of an entire industry.

I don't see how or why Fuyu Machi would ever agree to surrender their entire mercantile economy to the Scribel Merchant's Guild.

Even if you take the perspective that the Merchant's Guild will seek a trade monopoly, that makes zero sense why Fuyu (or any country) would agree to make the Scribel Merchant's guild their only supplier. It's literally the worst (or most short-sighted) decision that any country could possibly negotiate for themselves.

Anyways... nevermind... that's just my personal problem with this kind of interpretation of the merchant's guild.

IMO, the only real way to establish a Merchant's Guild branch is if all the existing shopkeepers in Fuyu Machi (or Gelderholm or any human country) agree that they wish to form a guild. Most likely, that guild would be independent of the Scribel Merchant's Guild, and at best they would collaborate on similar standards.

If you view the Merchant's Guild as a transportation organization, then they will nearly always have to compete will local merchants and traders. It's hard for me to imagine why Fuyu would willingly sell out their own traders/merchants and freely give a monopoly to these human foreigners...?

To continue my ramble further...

The way "exclusivity contracts" are usually negotiated are:

A) It's typically on a single specific product (e.g. oil).

B) The provider agrees to set a rate that is usually cheaper than the market price.

C) The provider agrees to provide a certain number of units per time period.

D) The purchaser agrees not to purchase aluminum from any other source in exchange (usually for a set period).

The deal comes out with a mutual benefit, and depends on an essential premise that the purchaser desires something so badly that they are willing to lock themselves out of a free market by committing to a single provider. In many circumstances, the purchaser often estimates that they will have substantial cost savings by pursuing this. Sometimes, this is because the purchaser believes there will be volatility in the future cost of oil, and they wish to lock down a price in advance.

However, from a geopolitical standpoint, these are some of the worst possible deals for an entire country to take -- because if your single provider randomly gets hit by a nuclear bomb, your country is screwed. For instance, the OPEC oil shocks hit many countries terribly during the 1980's and devastated Japan's economy, because their single source for oil (the Middle East) failed. Due to these lessons, many countries (e.g. the US) pursue drilling for local sources of oil and multiple international sources of oil so they are not overly reliant on a single source...

 

[Bochi]

Catalyst has been provided, since the guild's too few on hands to deal with an 'away' problem, now that 'away' problem is coming to bite their behinds.

 

[Epsil]

Catalyst has been provided, since the guild's too few on hands to deal with an 'away' problem, now that 'away' problem is coming to bite their behinds.

An oni attack is more than a catalyst. That's more like a bomb

 

[ohko]

Catalyst has been provided, since the guild's too few on hands to deal with an 'away' problem, now that 'away' problem is coming to bite their behinds.

Oh, btw, from an OOC perspective, I veto an actual oni attack on Scribel City.

Scribel City needs to stay an Unranked Region, and we really can't have players regularly tossing Rank E+ monsters at the Scribel City walls on a regular basis. We still have low-ranked players who still need to be able to enjoy themselves and do their things, and I'm not willing to sacrifice the enjoyment of low-level players in favor of the high-level players.

You're welcome to threaten an oni attack on Scribel City, but please don't go through with it.

 

[Bochi]

Oh, btw, from an OOC perspective, I veto an actual oni attack on Scribel City.

Scribel City needs to stay an Unranked Region, and we really can't have players regularly tossing Rank E+ monsters at the Scribel City walls on a regular basis. We still have low-ranked players who still need to be able to enjoy themselves and do their things, and I'm not willing to sacrifice the enjoyment of low-level players in favor of the high-level players.

You're welcome to threaten an oni attack on Scribel City, but please don't go through with it.

Easy fix. Let the oni tear up the slime horde and attack the city in their place instead.