Sun Tzu —The art of war

[Deleted member 180663]

As a person who as read and mastered the entire book named Art of war written by by Sun Tzu.
I—Hoshino humbly declare myself the great,great,great, great, great, great not so great, moderately great, less great, formally great, metaphorically great, fictionally great, realistically great, less than 1/2 great disciple of Sun Tzu.


So i present to you my favorite quotes of my master!


「Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, A thousand victories. 」
—Sun Tzu the Art of War.



「If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.」
—Sun Tzu



「Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.」
—Sun Tzu


「He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.」
—Sun Tzu

「Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.」
—Sun Tzu

「If you are far from the enemy, make him believe you are near.」
—Sun Tzu

「There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited.」
—Sun Tzu

「For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.」
—Sun Tzu

「All warfare is based on deception」
—Sun Tzu

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「Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. 」
—Sun Tzu



「Pretend to be strong when you are weak, and strong when you are weak. 」
—Hoshino




「When thou may not know thy self, they shall never know thy enemy. 」
—Hoshino The Art of Despair.

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Now, you tell me your favorite your favorite quotes by master.


Also,

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Have a copy somewhere. Keep stumbling on it, reading a few pages, and losing it again, only to have it turn up a few years later to repeat the process. Oddly, about half the time when I do read a few pages, something there is relevant to something going on in my life.
Have had people cite similar experiences with the I Ching (whether they actually cast the yarrow stalks or just open it randomly) but have never played with that one myself

 

[owotrucked]

 

[Deleted member 180663]

Have a copy somewhere. Keep stumbling on it, reading a few pages, and losing it again, only to have it turn up a few years later to repeat the process. Oddly, about half the time when I do read a few pages, something there is relevant to something going on in my life.
Have had people cite similar experiences with the I Ching (whether they actually cast the yarrow stalks or just open it randomly) but have never played with that one myself

「The only chance of life lies in giving up all hope of it」
—Sun Tzu The Art of War

 

[DarkDuck09]

Fun fact. The US Military teaches this as doctrine. Dissemination of information on what is happening is sparse because, as doctrine would have it: If our own soldiers have no idea what is going on, the enemy won't either.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

As a person who as read and mastered the entire book named Art of war written by by Sun Tzu.
I—Hoshino humbly declare myself the great,great,great, great, great, great not so great, moderately great, less great, formally great, metaphorically great, fictionally great, realistically great, less than 1/2 great disciple of Sun Tzu.


So i present to you my favorite quotes of my master!


「Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, A thousand victories. 」
—Sun Tzu the Art of War.



「If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.」
—Sun Tzu



「Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.」
—Sun Tzu


「He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.」
—Sun Tzu

「Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.」
—Sun Tzu

「If you are far from the enemy, make him believe you are near.」
—Sun Tzu

「There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited.」
—Sun Tzu

「For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.」
—Sun Tzu

「All warfare is based on deception」
—Sun Tzu

---

「Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. 」
—Sun Tzu



「Pretend to be strong when you are weak, and strong when you are weak. 」
—Hoshino




「When thou may not know thy self, they shall never know thy enemy. 」
—Hoshino The Art of Despair.

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Now, you tell me your favorite your favorite quotes by master.


Also,

? My enyamy.

 

[Leti]

All warfare is based

Based.

 

[Deleted member 180663]

? My enyamy.

「Know thy enemy, know thy enemy's enemy」
—Hoshino

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

「Know thy enemy, know thy enemy's enemy」
—Hoshino

Good that I am Clausewitzian.

 

[Deleted member 180663]

Good that I am Clausewitzian.

「Thou shall never understand thy self」
—Natsumi

[Natsumi is my other name]

 

[miyoga]

Fun fact. The US Military teaches this as doctrine. Dissemination of information on what is happening is sparse because, as doctrine would have it: If our own soldiers have no idea what is going on, the enemy won't either.

I'd also heard/read somewhere that the book "Ender's Game" is on the US military's must read list. If you pair that with the Art of War, you've got the theorectical and the practical application in 1 neat little package.

Side note: If the Space Force isn't doing mock battles where "the enemy is up", they're doing it wrong and need to go back to read Ender again.

 

[HiroXV]

 

[cabbag3]

I'd also heard/read somewhere that the book "Ender's Game" is on the US military's must read list. If you pair that with the Art of War, you've got the theorectical and the practical application in 1 neat little package.

Side note: If the Space Force isn't doing mock battles where "the enemy is up", they're doing it wrong and need to go back to read Ender again.

Although "Art of War" is practical, it's more of an "Armies for Dummies" guide for aristocratic young masters. Aside from common sense, the rest are mainly about taking care of horses and logistics.

 

[Seaspecter]

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
-Mike Tyson

 

[DarkDuck09]

I'd also heard/read somewhere that the book "Ender's Game" is on the US military's must read list. If you pair that with the Art of War, you've got the theorectical and the practical application in 1 neat little package.

Side note: If the Space Force isn't doing mock battles where "the enemy is up", they're doing it wrong and need to go back to read Ender again.

I cannot speak for the military as a whole, but it is in fact on the USMC reading list. I've read it many times and to this day is one of the best zero-G depictions I've read in a heavy military setting. I hear the expanse is pretty up there too (I've seen the show so I believe it) but from a pure military perspective it's kind of hard to find.

Forever War is a good one too, but doesn't really go into the zero-G stuff. Battles are fought over thousands of miles in space, and it features the theory of relativity pretty heavily.

Although "Art of War" is practical, it's more of an "Armies for Dummies" guide for aristocratic young masters. Aside from common sense, the rest are mainly about taking care of horses and logistics.

I would disagree with this only because it's a difference between tactics and strategy. Strategy is your overall goal. Tactics are the individual steps to achieve that goal. Sun Tzu was a strategist, meaning all of his teachings are big picture/operational level.

Sun Tzu is basically your Field Marshal, or General of the Army/Coalition. Ender's Game is far more of a tactics style of book which would be more of your NCO's, SNCO's, and Field-grade officers.

 

[miyoga]

I cannot speak for the military as a whole, but it is in fact on the USMC reading list. I've read it many times and to this day is one of the best zero-G depictions I've read in a heavy military setting. I hear the expanse is pretty up there too (I've seen the show so I believe it) but from a pure military perspective it's kind of hard to find.

Forever War is a good one too, but doesn't really go into the zero-G stuff. Battles are fought over thousands of miles in space, and it features the theory of relativity pretty heavily.

The zero-G is exactly why I think it would be on space force and possibly navy lists too. While underwater isn't the same as true 0-G, a lot of the same skills and strategies can be applied. Ender also touches a bit on psycological warfare and how effective taking away a basic item (the neuro-monitor at the beginning) or something as innocuous as a phone game (everything he found on the tablet after leaving home for flight school) can be absolutely devastating with the right coding and subliminal messaging.

 

[Kenjona]

Fun fact. The US Military teaches this as doctrine. Dissemination of information on what is happening is sparse because, as doctrine would have it: If our own soldiers have no idea what is going on, the enemy won't either.

Fun Fact lots of books are on the military read list. Including Ringo and Weber.
But an aside they do war game someone else having the "high" ground instead of us and unless restrictions are in place where we can easily gain the high ground we always lose.

 

[DarkDuck09]

Fun Fact lots of books are on the military read list. Including Ringo and Weber.
But an aside they do war game someone else having the "high" ground instead of us and unless restrictions are in place where we can easily gain the high ground we always lose.

Well the military also learns more when they lose, so they will always stack the deck against themselves in war games. That time Royal Marines beat US Marines? The Royal Marines were on the side (with other US Marines) that outnumbered the training unit by at least 3x and had operational freedom. That time the Eurofighter beat the F22? F22 was forced to not be able to engage until within visual range (negating any stealth or the missile suite that turns it into a 360 degree air superiority fighter. As soon as the training went to beyond visual range, the Eurofighter got its cheeks clapped every time.

It's a winning deal, honestly. Prepare for the worst possible conditions and when less extreme things happen down range you're not phased at all.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Well the military also learns more when they lose, so they will always stack the deck against themselves in war games. That time Royal Marines beat US Marines? The Royal Marines were on the side (with other US Marines) that outnumbered the training unit by at least 3x and had operational freedom. That time the Eurofighter beat the F22? F22 was forced to not be able to engage until within visual range (negating any stealth or the missile suite that turns it into a 360 degree air superiority fighter. As soon as the training went to beyond visual range, the Eurofighter got its cheeks clapped every time.

It's a winning deal, honestly. Prepare for the worst possible conditions and when less extreme things happen down range you're not phased at all.

Interesting - I heard one professional bowler was trained by his father (who owned the alley) putting six pins in the normal target area, and two each in every gutter. He could not remember ever throwing a ball that did not knock over at least one pin. Kind of the reverse of this (unless the pins are the ones setting the strategy...)

 

[Kenjona]

Well the military also learns more when they lose, so they will always stack the deck against themselves in war games. That time Royal Marines beat US Marines? The Royal Marines were on the side (with other US Marines) that outnumbered the training unit by at least 3x and had operational freedom. That time the Eurofighter beat the F22? F22 was forced to not be able to engage until within visual range (negating any stealth or the missile suite that turns it into a 360 degree air superiority fighter. As soon as the training went to beyond visual range, the Eurofighter got its cheeks clapped every time.

It's a winning deal, honestly. Prepare for the worst possible conditions and when less extreme things happen down range you're not phased at all.

FYI, A wargame normally does not involve the use of actual troops and armaments. Though sometimes actual unit training is called a "Live Wargame", but generally that is a misnomer, they should be using "field exercises" in those cases. Professional Wargaming is also not necessarily antagonistic, with one side versus another, like in Hobby Wargaming.

These are more as "what if" scenarios that they game out. This is to train people in strategy, tactics, long term versus short term gains and getting people to think outside of what is just in their own sandbox. Sometimes this is just a sitting around and having "what if" type conversation to actually playing games with rules like: TACSPIEL, Dunn Kempf, CAMMS. The majority of it is done with computers now and most of those are bespoke to specific scenarios.
Such as:

1. Being invading us from space, training people on what it would involve and so forth.
2. A Zombie type apocalypse scenarios they war game out. Then again so does FEMA and the CDC. Seems everyone loves to use that one.
3. Insurgent warfare, Nuclear landscape, water, Plague issues, Civilian interference and so on.
4. There are of course they standard they have A Planes, X tanks and B men what would you need to deal with it in Y terrain.