Is dual wielding overrated?

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It seems like whenever someone wants to make their character cooler than the rest of their cast, they make them dual wield something. On one hand, I get it. The image of someone effortlessly using two weapons will always look cool. But how many dual wielding badasses can we read/watch before it starts to feel tropey and cliche? Are you already at that point?
 

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I’d like it if there was a point to having two swords besides looking cool. It doesn’t spark my interest if they suddenly decide that two swords are better than one.
 

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Like most things it can be done well in an interesting way. For example, if the weapons are actually intended for different purposes and compliment each other. Using a weapon in one hand that is intended for offense and the other hand is something intended and used for defense (like a shield, though most consider sword and board to be its own thing) is a good example, or having an actual weapon and something that’s a magical implement or something? Or a gun. Those can be cool.

Two functionally identical weapons intended primarily for offense, though? It doesn’t have the punch it used to, but that’s probably because there’s too many examples of it being done badly floating around polluting the water. Theres nothing intrinsically wrong with it; hell, Zuko in Avatar was arguably a much better swordsman than he was a bender and he dual wielded. Kinda like abrasive women who can kick men’s asses; you see it done badly enough and you come to the conclusion it can’t be done well.
 

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It seems like whenever someone wants to make their character cooler than the rest of their cast, they make them dual wield something. On one hand, I get it. The image of someone effortlessly using two weapons will always look cool. But how many dual wielding badasses can we read/watch before it starts to feel tropey and cliche? Are you already at that point?
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Depends on who you ask. Hema nerds would write you a ten page essay to tell you how stupid and unrealistic it is. Me? I judge it on a case by case basis.
Dual wielding is mostly only bad when it comes to full length swords. Even still there are some manuals for that. The real problem is when sythes are used and considered good weapons. Or when swords are held backwards, but I think can sometimes be fine due to magic and superhuman stuff.
 

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My MC dual wields his fists.

Of course, history has proven that the combination of either sword and shield or a two-handed weapon was much more effective than dual-wielding. However, there are numerous historical examples of dual-wielding. Dimacherus was a class of gladiators that always fought with two swords since they weren't provided a shield. And wielding a rapier in combination with a dagger was common practice, it was even taught as shown in surviving manuals.

So yeah, it has been popularized in fiction maybe to the point of becoming a cliche but I think it should still be judged on a case-by-case basis.
 

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Every time i see someone cross parry with their dual weapons against a 2 handed strength based guy i die of cringe just a little more.
 

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Two weapons? Yes, unless one is a sword breaker dagger. Sword and shield? No, you have slashing, piercing, slashing and bludgeoning damage you can deal
 
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Can we please go back to the classic examples of dual wielding with sword and dagger or katana and washizaki? In both western and eastern societies you carried a sword as your main weapon and a form of ornate dagger if that failed. Daggers acted as a last minute weapon and a noble status symbol.
 

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Generally few authors understand the actual motivation or challenges of dual wielding, and that's why I roll my eyes when I see it.
You basically have to be ambidextrous to really be good at it right away, and if not then it takes a lot of practice to do it properly without cutting yourself. There's a reason that when you see dual wielding in historic settings, they usually have one weapon to the side or behind them with their dominant hand outward.

For example I've seen one story describe dual wielding as "pure dedication to offense only" and that was something the mc supposedly learned from a 'dual wielding expert'.
The trick of dual wielding is NOT that you have two swords to attack or block with, it's that you can attack and defend at the same time!

If you're going to cross parry you might as well just have one sword, because the point is to deflect it with one sword and attack with the other at the same time.
Similarly, if you're going to attack with both swords at once as if to 'overpower' the opponent, give up on wielding two weapons.

Not only does attacking with both weapons at once leave you vulnerable, but if you don't even bother to aim for different targets with each sword then it's not even harder to block in any way. (Cross swings are stupid too! Unless just for some magic activation or something)

If you really are transcendental with swords, I can see how it might benefit to dual wield if you're surrounded and outnumbered by enemies, and that would actually look cool, unlike a character that's forced to use dual swords incorrectly just because it looks cool.


Realistically, if you have dual swords, you would be holding one over your shoulder, hanging below your main sword, or otherwise out of the way.
Since the idea is to have one sword block and attack with the other while their weapon is busy.

However if you were to naively just hold both swords out in normal guard positions, they can simply push one of your swords into the other and enter a bind with both of your swords, completely negating your advantage. (Another reason crossing your swords is stupid, entering a bind with both of your weapons is exactly what you want to avoid! (Unless they have something really heavy that you can't block with a single sword and you have to completely stop the attack instead of deflecting it away) (Also, specifically binds where you don't have the advantage, if you're the one binding them, then you can probably easily take one of your swords away from the bind to attack with assuming they are dumb enough not to disengage as soon as it gets to that point. But if you suck they can easily turn your advantageous bind into being in their favor instead))
 
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Dual wielding was cool when I used two short swords to fight my cousin (we were using wooden practice swords), but it wasn't anymore when he hit my hands real hard with his bastard sword, and I was promptly banned from touching swords again.

It almost didn't happen.
 

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Generally few authors understand the actual motivation or challenges of dual wielding, and that's why I roll my eyes when I see it.
You basically have to be ambidextrous to really be good at it right away, and if not then it takes a lot of practice to do it properly without cutting yourself. There's a reason that when you see dual wielding in historic settings, they usually have one weapon to the side or behind them with their dominant hand outward.

For example I've seen one story describe dual wielding as "pure dedication to offense only" and that was something the mc supposedly learned from a 'dual wielding expert'.
The trick of dual wielding is NOT that you have two swords to attack or block with, it's that you can attack and defend at the same time!

If you're going to cross parry you might as well just have one sword, because the point is to deflect it with one sword and attack with the other at the same time.
Similarly, if you're going to attack with both swords at once as if to 'overpower' the opponent, give up on wielding two weapons.

Not only does attacking with both weapons at once leave you vulnerable, but if you don't even bother to aim for different targets with each sword then it's not even harder to block in any way. (Cross swings are stupid too! Unless just for some magic activation or something)

If you really are transcendental with swords, I can see how it might benefit to dual wield if you're surrounded and outnumbered by enemies, and that would actually look cool, unlike a character that's forced to use dual swords incorrectly just because it looks cool.


Realistically, if you have dual swords, you would be holding one over your shoulder, hanging below your main sword, or otherwise out of the way.
Since the idea is to have one sword block and attack with the other while their weapon is busy.

However if you were to naively just hold both swords out in normal guard positions, they can simply push one of your swords into the other and enter a bind with both of your swords, completely negating your advantage. (Another reason crossing your swords is stupid, entering a bind with both of your weapons is exactly what you want to avoid! (Unless they have something really heavy that you can't block with a single sword and you have to completely stop the attack instead of deflecting it away) (Also, specifically binds where you don't have the advantage, if you're the one binding them, then you can probably easily take one of your swords away from the bind to attack with assuming they are dumb enough not to disengage as soon as it gets to that point. But if you suck they can easily turn your advantageous bind into being in their favor instead))
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The last time I saw dual wielding was when an MC shares his mind with a praying mantis and he turns for using one saber to two.

My question up until now, even after I had dropped the work, is how the bloody mantis uses its claws that represents how a human swings a saber???

Like what the hell fuck.

Also, dual wielding fists is only cool like when Guo Jing does it, using two fist skills at the same time, different styles to complement the two initially separate move sets and identical to... I don't know, double hit strength? Same in I’ve Possessed the Demon Sovereign’s Body, with MC using two fighting stands (imagine Jojo stands) at the same time to beat people senseless.
 
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