How the heck to market a story?

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Tyranomaster

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Well, that's off the table for me. I need to figure out how to maximize what I have.
Many people here, and your own responses, have indicated that you've tried dozens of things. At this point, you're realistically maximizing maybe 10% more readers. If you're really, REALLY lucky, maybe you'll triple your reads in a few years.
 

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Well, that's off the table for me. I need to figure out how to maximize what I have.
I'm not saying to change anything or drop writing. I'm asking, what are you going to do if this is the maximum? You can't grow constantly, even if you find other, better guides and advice. What if this is the maximum?
 

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Thats the problem. For every person who says "don't batch drop X chapters", someone else says do. I'm so confused. My thought was to provide 11 chaps up front (as that is essentially "the prologue") and then 1 chap 3x a week.
Its almost like each different platform has a different set of rules and viewers who prefer different things :confused::confused:
 

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Webnovel has been even worse. And they also actively make fanfic second class citizens, as does Royal Road, Inkitt and Neobook.

My plan for the repost is dropping 11 chapters on day one (Saturday, timed with the reboot of the Ranma 1/2 anime) to give people something to hook into, and then one new one every Tu/Th/Sat. And to not break the story up into three works, because Scribblehub's "this is a series" functionalty is so weak.
Have you ever considered that you might be overcommitted? It can negatively effect your writing.

Put simply, I'd rather read a book with 10k words where each word has meaning and soul behind it versus a book with 1M words but high filler content.

It can also be incredibly frustrating to put effort into something that you enjoy and you're passionate about just for fewer people than anticipated to actually like it but taking a step back and coming into your story with a fresh mind and clear conscious is essential to not just Storytelling but your mental health as a whole.
 

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Then potentially, you can try to re-upload. However, you risk losing current readers. I would do as Sailus said and stop uploading so many chapters.

One of my stories, I only upload 1 chapter a week, and it's approaching 1700 readers on SH. The same story, I mass uploaded chapters on RR, and it has almost no readers there. But I did that knowing it would hamper success.
And as I said numerous times, my intent had been to do 3 chaps/week after giving people just enough to hook onto at first.
I know you are frustrated...but do you want advice...?
If it's actionable, and not just "don't write the story you wrote" or "don't want more than you have".
 

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Everywhere I go across the internet, you can't advertise a fanfic. You can't promote. You're not allowed on the trending lists. You're penalized in the algorithm.

I follow every suggestion and marketing tip out there. I do daily drops. I have consistent 5 star reviews. I have nearly a million words. And I get 2-3 reads a chapter.
Sounds like you're doing everything correctly then, but there just isn't a market for what you're writing. It's a reality all writers have to face eventually. It doesn't matter how perfectly you execute a story if nobody wants to read that particular story, or that particular execution.

(Assuming you want an audience, and don't just write for yourself, of course.)

The reason you aren't liking any of the advice you're getting is because: there is no advice to give. You're already doing everything you can, but there simply is not an audience. You can't squeeze blood from a rock. There are no more (or inconsequentially few) readers who are seeking million word Ranma fics with your premise/style/etc.

And from that factual reality, you're getting advice like: make fundamental changes, write something else, etc. Which you don't want to do. Which is fine.
 

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Have you ever considered that you might be overcommitted? It can negatively effect your writing.

Put simply, I'd rather read a book with 10k words where each word has meaning and soul behind it versus a book with 1M words but high filler content.

It can also be incredibly frustrating to put effort into something that you enjoy and you're passionate about just for fewer people than anticipated to actually like it but taking a step back and coming into your story with a fresh mind and clear conscious is essential to not just Storytelling but your mental health as a whole.
And what about a series of books with 1M words where each one has meaning?
Sounds like you're doing everything correctly then, but there just isn't a market for what you're writing. It's a reality all writers have to face eventually. It doesn't matter how perfectly you execute a story if nobody wants to read that particular story, or that particular execution.

(Assuming you want an audience, and don't just write for yourself, of course.)

The reason you aren't liking any of the advice you're getting is because: there is no advice to give. You're already doing everything you can, but there simply is not an audience. You can't squeeze blood from a rock. There are no more (or inconsequentially few) readers who are seeking million word Ranma fics with your premise/style/etc.

And from that factual reality, you're getting advice like: make fundamental changes, write something else, etc. Which you don't want to do. Which is fine.
What bothers me is that I truly believe the story *can break out* of the Ranma bubble *without* filing off the serial numbers, if I could get people to give it a chance. And it's maddening that the platforms are *specifically designed* to deny me that opportunity.
Its almost like each different platform has a different set of rules and viewers who prefer different things :confused::confused:
I can't even get consistent advice on any one platform.
 

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What bothers me is that I truly believe the story *can break out* of the Ranma bubble *without* filing off the serial numbers, if I could get people to give it a chance. And it's maddening that the platforms are *specifically designed* to deny me that opportunity.
Perfectly fair to be frustrated, then. However you made an advice thread, not a vent thread, and so people are trying to give you advice when there is no advice to give.
 

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I can't even get consistent advice on any one platform.
You should observe what works and emulate. Barring that, you should take advice from those who found success themselves. Advice from random people is... not the best.
 

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What bothers me is that I truly believe the story *can break out* of the Ranma bubble *without* filing off the serial numbers, if I could get people to give it a chance. And it's maddening that the platforms are *specifically designed* to deny me that opportunity.
It's not really the platforms. It's the readers. People don't want to give it a chance specifically because it's in the Ranma bubble. My thread that you'll read will point out that fact.
Way to be helpful *after* 9 posts being holier than thou.
My first advice was helpful advice. Your initial question wasn't phrased to mean what you wanted it to mean. If your inability to write a targeted question is anything to go off of, then you should be real happy with your 350 readers.
 

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And it's maddening that the platforms are *specifically designed* to deny me that opportunity.
Make your own platform. That's the only thing left for you to do really. No platform is designed to deny people opportunity, ok, maybe WN is. Every existing platform has established readerbase and unspoken rules, simple as. You can ignore them, but it will probably lead you nowhere.

Ok, there's actually another adivce I can give. It is to write two stories. One you want to write, and one people want to read. You use more popular story to funnel readers into less popular one.
 

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Perfectly fair to be frustrated, then. However you made an advice thread, not a vent thread, and so people are trying to give you advice when there is no advice to give.

Make your own platform. That's the only thing left for you to do really. No platform is designed to deny people opportunity, ok, maybe WN is. Every existing platform has established readerbase and unspoken rules, simple as. You can ignore them, but it will probably lead you nowhere.

Ok, there's actually another adivce I can give. It is to write two stories. One you want to write, and one people want to read. You use more popular story to funnel readers into less popular one.
Sure! I'm already cranking out 40,000 words a week, what's another few thou?

When platforms have methods for promoting stories outside of the tag search, and deny fanfic authors from using them, then yes, they are denying us opportunity. That's a freaking fact.
It's not really the platforms. It's the readers. People don't want to give it a chance specifically because it's in the Ranma bubble. My thread that you'll read will point out that fact.

My first advice was helpful advice. Your initial question wasn't phrased to mean what you wanted it to mean. If your inability to write a targeted question is anything to go off of, then you should be real happy with your 350 readers.
"How do I market a story?"
"Well I wrote this how to market a story guide, but clearly it wasn't applicable to this question."

I am honored to be ignoring advice from someone with that level of reading comprehension.
 

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When platforms have methods for promoting stories outside of the tag search, and deny fanfic authors from using them, then yes, they are denying us opportunity. That's a freaking fact.
SH doesn't deny fanfics any promotion.
Current top 2 trending. A fanfic of a web novel.
Current top 4 trending. Another fanfic, this time Naruto.
Current top 6 trending. Harry Potter fanfic.

Three works on trending today are fanfics. That's a fact.
Sure! I'm already cranking out 40,000 words a week, what's another few thou?
What else do you want? You've tried easier ways to gain more traction, they failed. There is no more easy ways to get bigger. You either sink even more hours into it, or give up. Even if there is, and I highly doubt it, even if there is a super easy way to get bigger, only really big, succesful authors know it. And they won't share it with you. They don't need competition. But you can try asking every big authors, PM them. It will be better than asking us.
 

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"How do I market a story?"
"Well I wrote this how to market a story guide, but clearly it wasn't applicable to this question."

I am honored to be ignoring advice from someone with that level of reading comprehension.
It's not that it's not applicable. It's that it'll tell you that you're already reaching your target audience. You've already cast the net wide, and caught all the fish your net can catch.
Sure! I'm already cranking out 40,000 words a week, what's another few thou?

When platforms have methods for promoting stories outside of the tag search, and deny fanfic authors from using them, then yes, they are denying us opportunity. That's a freaking fact.

There are three fanfics on trending right now.
Pokemon fanfics trend on the front page on RoyalRoad all the time too. The site isn't biased. You've got delusions that your story is better than it is.
 
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