Physics question about a superpower

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1- wrap rope around the rock (but not the harness). now you can control the covered rock compeltly. rotate the rock and unleash + giving it a last push with your powers.

2- no mention of range so throw rock in the air and pull the rope towards the harness, rope goes flying, then pull the harness towards the rope. harness goess up, repeat
I don't know if I understand what you mean by the second plan (or is it the second step of the main plan?) that you have (I'm having trouble visualizing it).
 

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So ba

So basically you want somephysics breaking to make it go higher than regular spin. Well you could use telikenisis maybe to make the rope wrap around an invisible rod while keeping it spinning at the same velocity. The closer it gets to the rod, the faster it will spin, and then release it upward. Watch Animation vs Physics, this principle is one of the first tricks they do. The closer you spin The faster you spin.
Reminds me of the fun times I used to play with the office chair when I was a kid. Now that I'm using it almost everyday at work, it's not that fun anymore. lol
 

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I don't know if I understand what you mean by the second plan (or is it the second step of the main plan?) that you have (I'm having trouble visualizing it).
1- you wrap most of the rope around the rock to maximize surface area for your powers. you do the rotation idea here
So ba

So basically you want somephysics breaking to make it go higher than regular spin. Well you could use telikenisis maybe to make the rope wrap around an invisible rod while keeping it spinning at the same velocity. The closer it gets to the rod, the faster it will spin, and then release it upward. Watch Animation vs Physics, this principle is one of the first tricks they do. The closer you spin The faster you spin.
but you add a last nudge with your powers at the release. wrapping the rocks allows you to affect both the rope and the harness with your powers at the last second, maximizing your output


2- there is no mention of range. you can affect both the harness and the rope.

step 1: push the harness in the air
step 2: pull the rope towards the harness. the rope goes flying up
step 3: pull the harness towards the rope. the harness goes up.
step 4: repeat.

pulling require less energy as there is already an upward momentum
 

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So the more I think about this the ideal solution is to build up as much angular momentum as possible. Then transfer that momentum to straight velocity.

Assumptions: 1.) There is no cap on revolutions per minute for the spinning-on-rope rock.
2.) Force powers is enough to achieve terminal velocity.

Rock goes in harness,
apply force to harness
rope tied to harness and secured by some kind of fulcrum

Use force powers to get acceleration up to terminal velocity of the rock-harness-rope system. (This will maximize angular momentum)

Reduce radius of rotation of rock (Pull rock closer)

Conservation of momentum will cause the rock to rotate faster as the radius decreases.

When the Radius = 0, release rock for maximum velocity.
 

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You answer your own question though - if the highest you can get to is 100 feet, then the highest you can get to is 100 feet. The cordakinetic (Rope Manipulation | Superpower Wiki | Fandom) can only send the rock that high, no matter what tricks you pull to get it there. The tricks above - wrapping the rock in the rope, shortening the length of the rope to accelerate, etc. will let you get there faster/easier but you still have that limit...
 

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You have control over two things: a harness and rope. Not just a singular sling. Go infinite buttered-cat-toast and generate infinite lift until you hit the arbitrary max you told us. 100 stinky feet.
 
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You have a rope. You have a harness for a rock. And you have a rock.
The goal? Wheel the rock in a circle like you're a bootleg Thor swinging Mjolnir, and toss it up as high as possible with the force generated by your mind.
You have the ability to push and/or pull on only the harness and the rope with your mind (we are assuming this rope and this harness are indestructible).

Please help. I suck at physics.
Help... what? Give the power a name? The Character? Okay...

GRAVITRON!

He runs around in a Red Onesy. On his chest is F=MA. He has the power to make things orbit him at high speeds. Basically, it's just a method of storing up PE over time so it can be released all at once. His origin is that one day the kids were making fun of how fat his mom was and when someone said, "Your mom is so fat the earth orbits HER" he snapped and his mutational power awakened. He now has the ability to keep things orbiting his body. He keeps most of them at a slow speed so he doesn't kill anyone, but when danger raises its ugly head, the various objects speed up creating a "Force Field" effect that has about a 10% chance of failure. Otherwise, he can "speed up" an object to the point where it can be launched with great force, but the most he can achieve is 100 feet straight up.

Remember:
E=MC^2
Matter and energy are interchangable.
E=hF
Energy is equal to the planck constant times frequency

So Therefore all matter exists as a frequency.

Therefore Gravitron's powers are simply him vibin'.
 

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You answer your own question though - if the highest you can get to is 100 feet, then the highest you can get to is 100 feet. The cordakinetic (Rope Manipulation | Superpower Wiki | Fandom) can only send the rock that high, no matter what tricks you pull to get it there. The tricks above - wrapping the rock in the rope, shortening the length of the rope to accelerate, etc. will let you get there faster/easier but you still have that limit...
Look, in my defense, I didn't even want to give it a max height. And no, that isn't the answer to the question either.
You've misinterpreted the question.
 

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Look, in my defense, I didn't even want to give it a max height. And no, that isn't the answer to the question either.
You've misinterpreted the question.
Well, in everyone' defense, You didn't actually ask a question.
The only Question Mark in the OP is "The Goal?" and then you answer your own question.
You STATE you need help, but you don't ASK for help, much less state what that help would look like, or what would help.

Try stating a question like: Why is the nylon hair growing out of my tongue tickling my brain?

That would be easier to answer than your Original Post.
 

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Well, in everyone' defense, You didn't actually ask a question.
The only Question Mark in the OP is "The Goal?" and then you answer your own question.
You STATE you need help, but you don't ASK for help, much less state what that help would look like, or what would help.

Try stating a question like: Why is the nylon hair growing out of my tongue tickling my brain?

That would be easier to answer than your Original Post.
I want help with a solution to the goal. I assumed that would be obvious since most times, when people have a goal, they want that goal to be met. I will see if editing it to be a question will be better, but I have my doubts.
 

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You have a rope. You have a harness for a rock. And you have a rock.

You have the ability to push and/or pull on only the harness and the rope with your mind (we are assuming this rope and this harness are indestructible).


Keep in mind...
  1. This stays in an environment where all other variables - other than the location of the force applied to the rope and the harness - are constant.
  2. You can only push and/or pull on only the harness and rope. And you can only do this while you are spinning them.
  3. The amount of force you can generate with your mind to push and/or pull is finite.
  4. If you figured out the perfect way to swing this rope, harness, and rock in a circle via pushing and pulling with your mind, the highest it will slingshot is 100 feet. Your goal is to reach that high value of 100 feet.
  5. I don't want any other application. All that matters is The goal.
  6. Try not to let your imagination take this simple scenario to outlandish scenarios, like outer space, rocks the size of houses, a force capable of launching the rock to supersonic speeds, etc. None of that. Please.

The goal? Wheel the rock in a circle like you're a bootleg Thor swinging Mjolnir, and toss it up as high as possible with the force generated by your mind. How would you apply the limited options you have to do so?
So...

Just spin it then throw it, no?

Since the force of my psychic is finite, is it as finite as a javelin thrower athlete?
Wait, so this was actually a slingshot?
 

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Now this is cool!!!! Exactly what I'm looking for! Thanks! I'm not sure how to create an invisible rod with pushing and pulling, but I might be able to figure that later! Thank ya, thank ya!
Np.
Reminds me of the fun times I used to play with the office chair when I was a kid. Now that I'm using it almost everyday at work, it's not that fun anymore. lol
Yeah that’s exactly what I mean
 

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You have a rope. You have a harness for a rock. And you have a rock.

You have the ability to push and/or pull on only the harness and the rope with your mind (we are assuming this rope and this harness are indestructible).


Keep in mind...
  1. This stays in an environment where all other variables - other than the location of the force applied to the rope and the harness - are constant.
  2. You can only push and/or pull on only the harness and rope. And you can only do this while you are spinning them.
  3. The amount of force you can generate with your mind to push and/or pull is finite.
  4. If you figured out the perfect way to swing this rope, harness, and rock in a circle via pushing and pulling with your mind, the highest it will slingshot is 100 feet. Your goal is to reach that high value of 100 feet.
  5. I don't want any other application. All that matters is The goal.
  6. Try not to let your imagination take this simple scenario to outlandish scenarios, like outer space, rocks the size of houses, a force capable of launching the rock to supersonic speeds, etc. None of that. Please.

The goal? Wheel the rock in a circle like you're a bootleg Thor swinging Mjolnir, and toss it up as high as possible with the force generated by your mind. How would you apply the limited options you have to do so?
Since this is spinning:
1. Extend the sling to the maximum length while slowly spinning vertically.
2. Apply a constant force parallel to the direction of motion. Let the rope apply all of the inward acceleration to keep it "spinning."
3. Once the sling hits the needed speed and is at the point in the spin where it will fly forward, suddenly slow down the sling, ejecting the rock.
 

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If I do end up posting it, I could attribute the creation to you guys (or not attribute. I'm not sure what's preferable. It's a fanfic after all).
 

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No need to credit me with anything. It is not that important.
 

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@SailusGebel @Jemini @cabbag3 @melchi @Aez_Nairo @Plantorsomething @greyblob @CharlesEBrown @ConansWitchBaby @TheEldritchGod @Hopper @DarkDuck09 @Piisfun
Mind if I use your replies (with your identifying SH handles replaced with some other handle) for a forum thread in a fic I'm writing? I'm not feeling like writing out my own forum thread in-universe with multiple different types of voices and text-speak (it feels like it would be an overwhelming hassle). This fic may be posted at some point, but it's mainly for my own enjoyment just writing it.
If I do end up posting it, I could attribute the creation to you guys (or not attribute. I'm not sure what's preferable. It's a fanfic after all).
Sure thing
 
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