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[Vanus]

My perspective was that Mana is simply fuel, and how it behaves would be up to the magic-user. Manipulate them like this result in A, like that result in B etc.

Imagine it as an elementary particle, and magic-user as a god. Combined one way created one result, combined the other created another result.

*Uses another reality that is full of dreams and shit to impose a false reality over another world.*
*Or the pure power of faith that manifests into reality*

 

[AliceShiki]

I generally find the concept of "throw mana at it until it works" as magic pretty... well, stupid and childish to be honest. Which is why I usually think of proper systems or alternative ways to do it.

I usually prefer to think that some underlying system exists, but the reader has no need to know of it, and therefore I as the author reserve the rights of not thinking of the details of the system as well~

So... Basically the characters know all the mysterious intricacies and complicacies of mana and spellcasting... But neither author nor reader do... It's a mystery~

 

[Quaesitor]

My perspective was that Mana is simply fuel, and how it behaves would be up to the magic-user. Manipulate them like this result in A, like that result in B etc.

Imagine it as an elementary particle, and magic-user as a god. Combined one way created one result, combined the other created another result.

Where does this draw the line between gods and mages? There is none except for the amount of mana, no?

 

[GDLiZy]

Where does this draw the line between gods and mages? There is none except for the amount of mana, no?

Gods, they manipulated laws, while mages, they studied laws, and exploited their knowledge.

Divinity separated Gods from mages, but mages can also become gods, in my book. Divinity is infinite amount of Mana, and is infinitely superior than Mana, no matter the quantity.

 

[Bochi]

I usually prefer to think that some underlying system exists, but the reader has no need to know of it, and therefore I as the author reserve the rights of not thinking of the details of the system as well~

So... Basically the characters know all the mysterious intricacies and complicacies of mana and spellcasting... But neither author nor reader do... It's a mystery~

*Throws an Elaine into the works*

 

[Quaesitor]

Gods, they manipulated laws, while mages, they studied laws, and exploited their knowledge.

Divinity separated Gods from mages, but mages can also become gods, in my book. Divinity is infinite amount of Mana, and is infinitely superior than Mana, no matter the quantity.

But isn't someone with enough mana virtually the same as a god? Able to bend reality to his will by brute force as mana is what truly determines the rules and world? What is mana to begin with? As we can use it to change the world, would it be apt to call it "god's gift"? Or perhaps a devil's temptation? Are there side effects to using mana? Pollution? Does it wear down the natural laws of the universe? Dammit, now I got into that mindset...

 

[Bochi]

But isn't someone with enough mana virtually the same as a god? Able to bend reality to his will by brute force as mana is what truly determines the rules and world? What is mana to begin with? As we can use it to change the world, would it be apt to call it "god's gift"? Or perhaps a devil's temptation? Are there side effects to using mana? Pollution? Does it wear down the natural laws of the universe? Dammit, now I got into that mindset...

Or you could argue that gods are but beings that have gotten close to the apex.

 

[Deleted member 1244]

Ok... I think that's every one?
Alma and Euka have exams so they are not in a hurry.

Its well past midnight I am going to sleep, even if I am working from home, I still have work emails piling up at 8.30... and I do need to be dress in the moring too... Arg!... WHY? Why do people want video meetings?!?!? IS my voice not good enough!?!? Why do I have to get dressed if I am working from home?!?!

 

[Quaesitor]

Or you could argue that gods are but beings that have gotten close to the apex.

Then the word "god" would be pointless, wouldn't it? And "archmage", for example, more apt.

 

[Bochi]

Then the word "god" would be pointless, wouldn't it? And "archmage", for example, more apt.

A pretty title for a prideful being.

 

[AliceShiki]

Before and After the End [ Closed/ @GDLiZy @Leegood ]

"And milady if you just put this on top of that, It tastes great~" I was showing the fake Luna what combinations of foods were best to eat I wonder when they will switch back The fake Luna simply smiled and ate whatever I gave her Maybe she thinks this is how it is normally? Hmph switching places with luna, I'll give you high blood sugar!

Before my devious plan was finished the count sent away the fake luna and spoke to me "The things you are feeding to your lady are quite interesting, perhaps you want to give me a few recipes? I'll have my butler discuss negotiations." The count left and a butler approached me and we started haggling over what recipes and how much foodstuffs and foodstuffs slips they were to exchange.

Food will expire, but foodstuff slips will last for a long time
I'll feed miss luna until she gets full
Every day
I blinked my eyes, Why was I? I guess she is my mentor,
The best mentor
So I furiously negotiated with the butler for more things in exchange for some low level recipes from my home town.

"10 Meals, 15 foodstuff tickets for Recipe A, 5 Meals and 8 Foodstuff tickets for Recipe B, 10 meals and 30 foodstuff tickets for Recipe C, Little lady why don't you become a negotiator for the count instead?" The butler had a very fed up expression on his face, as if any one more minute negotiating would drive him crazy. "The Foodstuff tickets will be available to be used at any merchant's guild branch"

Hehehe I know that the tickets wont be tracked since it's used as a secondhand form of currency, this way Luna won't scold me if I redeem a ticket at scribble city since the tickets are meant to be anonymous and used in second hand dealings.

Leti shows her love through food~

How cute!

Where does this draw the line between gods and mages? There is none except for the amount of mana, no?

That's a vast oversimplification IMO! XD

I usually prefer to think that deities are born with a purpose (or a concept if you prefer... Like the god of life exists to protect and create life... Or something like that) and they are bound by that purpose, though they have nearly limitless power available to them, said power can't be used beyond the deities' own meaning of existence.

Meanwhile mortals are being that are free to do what they so desire, with their small power, but limitless potential, they can do whatever they want, while being forever subservient to the almighty guidance of the gods~

... Or something along those lines. I also like to put other limitations to the gods like being unable to directly interfere in the mortal world because I think it spirals very quickly out of control if gods give blessing left and right...

Or how I like to make nobody able to ressurect the dead, not even the gods, because I like death to be meaningful, and the possibility of ressurection often times makes death look trivial.

But at its core, I prefer to define gods by the purpose that makes their very being make sense. While mortals are beings with no inherent purpose to themselves~

 

[GDLiZy]

But isn't someone with enough mana virtually the same as a god? Able to bend reality to his will by brute force as mana is what truly determines the rules and world? What is mana to begin with? As we can use it to change the world, would it be apt to call it "god's gift"? Or perhaps a devil's temptation? Are there side effects to using mana? Pollution? Does it wear down the natural laws of the universe? Dammit, now I got into that mindset...

Mana did not determine laws, they followed laws. In theory, having infinite Mana would make other mages say you are a god, but if a true God come, and say, Mana won't work anymore, then he would fail to use his Mana, as stated by the God.

A mage can make water flew up using Mana, but a God can say Water Will Now Fall Up, and it will fall up, similarly, said God can also say, Mana Won't Work, and Water Will Fall Down, then that mage wouldn't be able to make water fly again.

 

[Vanus]

Then the word "god" would be pointless, wouldn't it? And "archmage", for example, more apt.

Recently I listened to a video on this. An archmage would still by most mages be seen as someone whom is akin to them. But a god is like above the mage and the archmage alike so far that you would not think them the same being. Think Emperor of Mankind he can affect the entire galaxy with his might and might even go beyond it. Now compare to Magnus the Red his stuff generally stays planetary and same with to an extent even Eldrad.

 

[GDLiZy]

Recently I listened to a video on this. An archmage would still by most mages be seen as someone whom is akin to them. But a god is like above the mage and the archmage alike so far that you would not think them the same being. Think Emperor of Mankind he can affect the entire galaxy with his might and might even go beyond it. Now compare to Magnus the Red his stuff generally stays planetary and same with to an extent even Eldrad.

When compare both Magnus to Big E, ordinary psychics would say they are about the same, as they were unable to perceive the upper bound of their majestic power, even though we knew that Big E is a lot stronger than Red boi.

 

[AliceShiki]

*Throws an Elaine into the works*

Common_Sense.exe crashed~

But isn't someone with enough mana virtually the same as a god? Able to bend reality to his will by brute force as mana is what truly determines the rules and world? What is mana to begin with? As we can use it to change the world, would it be apt to call it "god's gift"? Or perhaps a devil's temptation? Are there side effects to using mana? Pollution? Does it wear down the natural laws of the universe? Dammit, now I got into that mindset...

You're overthinking it too much~

Divinity is beyond the comprehension of mortals, the very concept of infinity is beyond mortals reach~

It's futile to think rather or not someone with infinite mana would be a god or not, because nobody will ever obtain infinite mana~

It's a fine theoretical exercise, but pointless in practice~

 

[AliceShiki]

But isn't someone with enough mana virtually the same as a god? Able to bend reality to his will by brute force as mana is what truly determines the rules and world? What is mana to begin with? As we can use it to change the world, would it be apt to call it "god's gift"? Or perhaps a devil's temptation? Are there side effects to using mana? Pollution? Does it wear down the natural laws of the universe? Dammit, now I got into that mindset...

Oh, as for what is mana~

That is a question for the philosophers, not the mages~

Does it matter what mana is? Or does it matter how to control it?

One can argue that it is gods' gift upon the world, or maybe the temptation of a fraction of divine power brought by the devil... But at the end of the day, isn't it just a mere tool to let us reach our goals?

It doesn't matter what it is, only what it does~

 

[Vanus]

When compare both Magnus to Big E, ordinary psychics would say they are about the same, as they were unable to perceive the upper bound of their majestic power, even though we knew that Big E is a lot stronger than Red boi.

It's actually a lot more noticeable then you'd think when you start actually looking at it. E.g. Malcador, the current head psyker of the Blood Angels, Eldrad and so on. None of these guys are seen as gods and maybe they are an insurmountable wall to the psykers but generally you can still do similar stuff to them just on a smaller scale. Not so much when you compare the God-Emperor on the throne for 10k years.

 

[Bochi]

My take on it is this:

You can classify Gods under two main categories, the first category being a sentient being that got so good in doing whatever he was good at doing that he's just an entire level by himself.

The second is a being who many believe to be godly, and his status is elevated to that of divinity because of the faith he receives from his followers.

Both types have their strengths and weaknesses, and they can further branch into various subcategories.

But then, since we all have our own perspectives on what makes a god god and whatnot, there's no need to think too much about it, since the context is multiversal anyway~

Also, now I gotta have the Third Seffy make a cameo, and I'm trying to think of a way not to break the game~

Since the Tenth Seffy already has a lot of gamebreaking potential~

 

[Deleted member 1244]

interesting convo on magic... eyes so heavy....

 

[AliceShiki]

My take on it is this:

You can classify Gods under two main categories, the first category being a sentient being that got so good in doing whatever he was good at doing that he's just an entire level by himself.

The second is a being who many believe to be godly, and his status is elevated to that of divinity because of the faith he receives from his followers.

Both types have their strengths and weaknesses, and they can further branch into various subcategories.

But then, since we all have our own perspectives on what makes a god god and whatnot, there's no need to think too much about it, since the context is multiversal anyway~

Also, now I gotta have the Third Seffy make a cameo, and I'm trying to think of a way not to break the game~

Since the Tenth Seffy already has a lot of gamebreaking potential~

Oh~

I was actually thinking of it in a broader sense instead of limited to AG's canon and stuff~

Because like... If we try thinking of gods in AG, then we're restricted by the fact we can only make additive world building, so... Defining gods is basically impossible! XD

As for introducing the seffy... Try to nerf them hard I guess? XD

interesting convo on magic... eyes so heavy....

*inserts pat gif in my signature that I'm too lazy to fetch on mobile*