Any writers making money off this site?

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Most writers have two methods:

1) Use Patreon to have tiered access to the latest chapters.

and/or 2) Move their work to Amazon Kindle, after which they leave a few chapters on SH as an advertisement.

As for the tips on how to get to that point, it's a combination of many factors including but not exclusive to: Luck, your writing ability, your marketing skills, your consistency, and how long you've been doing it (to build up a base).
 

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Any writers making money off this site?

If so, what's your strategy, how do you go about it? Any tips to get readers to become paid customers?

Thanks.
Some writers on this site make up to 2k USD monthly from Patreon.

However, they do not limit themselves to just posting on Scribble Hub. They also post on Royal Road, Web Novel, their own blogs, promote through social media, or are published on Amazon ebooks.

As said above by @Keene , you need to have consistency. No one would be willing to pay $5 a month when you forget to upload the promised amount of chapters or when the writing quality drastically drops. Oh, and luck. Lots of luck.
 

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I believe that @Corty has been able to make some money. I have also made some money but it has been via physical book sales.
 
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I profit from Patreon and non-exclusive contracts with some LN sites that help translate my work to Chinese/JP. I also have some books I half-ass on WebNovel that hit the $100 USD threshold every month or so.

The strategy for Patreon is pretty simple. You should think of your book as a business or brand to promote; every business creates a funnel that maximizes profits. In my experience, the web serial reader community doesn't value quality or quantity, but commitment.

That commitment could be ad hoc to specific circumstances, such as quality (portraits/wallpapers of characters, huge world maps, etc.), quantity (writing several chapters a week), or the easiest of the three, appealing to the market (writing LitRPG, Romance, OP MCs). However, you can't think of it as its sub-lesser, as the keyword here is being committed.

Once you figure out your commitment funnel (NSFW fanart, multiple chapters, market appeal), you focus on the right opportunity, granted with good planning and optimism. The opportunity is for someone to click on your Patreon page.

If you've done it right, people will appear. If not, look at your competitor's patreons, websites, schedules, etc., and find a strategy that works best for your time and money, or improve on it. Because, at the end of the day, a reader can only be obsessed with so many books at a time.

But if you're an amateur, don't bother.

You need to hook your reader first with the essentials of a good book, such as the title, cover, and synopsis (not to mention the starting sentence, cliffhangers, and quality of your work). If you aren't positive you have any of this down, then there's no point in stressing about monetization.
 
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I'm going to give you some context first, so hear me out.

I cross-post to Wattpad, RoyalRoad, ScribbleHub, Inkitt, Honeyfeed, Penana, WebNovel, and the reddit serials subreddit. I only started some of these places in the last month or so, but I post free chapters in bursts until I catch up to where I am elsewhere then only post 1x free chapter / week for each of my ongoing series. Also, I have short stories and shorter novella length stories I wrote a decade and a half ago that are far worse quality than my current work that I have posted in their entirety just so I can have a few completed works to give me more credibility. Few people trust new authors to complete what they started enough to pay them for content.

On my Patreon, I have 100+ early access chapters for 2x of my series and 40+ early access chapters for a third. I write and post 5x new chapters most weeks. I almost never completely take a week off, even between volumes, so, at worst, there might be a reduced number of new chapters that week.

My 5 volume completed reverse harem romance series is listed as a tier at $10 and people cancel after they download the 5 PDFs of main story and 1 PDF of side stories. My other 2 ongoing series and a companion diary series have 5 different tiers at different price points to mix and match what you want. $5 for just one series, $7.50 for one series and the diary entries, or $10 for all my dungeon work. I also have yearly subscription rates discounted 16% (max Patreon allows). Most of my subscribers are there for one series of the everything tier unless they are a temporary subscriber for the completed series. I've sold 2 year subscriptions for one series and 1 year for the everything dungeon tier. Most people subscribe, cancel, and come back later, even if they like your story. A few people decide they don't like the direction things take and cuss you out then cancel right away. That's less than 1% in my experience.

My work tends to very much so be a mixed bag for readers. Some absolutely love my work and feel the need to declare as much. Others like it well enough, show up every week, but don't think it's worth any real investment. Others clearly don't like my work, leave me bad reviews, mean comments, and yet don't stop reading until I block them. Some of those ones get angry they can't continue their verbal abuse and make new accounts to continue harassing me, sometimes even following me to other sites I cross-post to in order to do so. Others realize my work isn't for them and just quietly stop reading. Honestly, I prefer this type of rejection.

All of these readers then translate to the sorts of numbers you see with Patreon. Less than 10% of your dedicated readers will ever consider trying out Patreon to read your content. This is the individuals who follow, favorite, or whatever other form of subscribing to your story for free the site in question has. It is not of the people who simply glance at your story and then immediately drop it. Many individuals get even lower numbers for their Patreon and a few lucky few get more success, but it's rarely over 10%. Note than 10% of 100 is 10 whole 10% of 100,000 is 1,000 so authors with bigger followings just have more people in that 10% of readers.

I was nearly done with my 3rd book of my now completed romance series when I opened a Patreon. So most people had either dropped it or were hard core fans by the time I opened a Patreon. However, I was only using Wattpad back then and had ~1/4 million reads on the first volume. So, sales were slow the first few months with me being lucky to make $50 / month from subscriptions. A few months later I started my first dungeon series after joining RoyalRoad. I set up Patreon for that right away and readers slowly trickled in to read it for free, but rarely subscribed to the Patreon. Less than a month later, I joined Writathon where I had to post 55,555 words in 5 weeks, which is 23-56 chapters for me and required daily updates at minimum. I ended up nearly finishing my first volume in that time and my Patreon subscribers went from less than 5 to a few dozen just for the dungeon series.

By January of this year I hit peak numbers at nearly $300 / month, but the numbers quickly fell from there. I had gone back to my 1x free chapter / week and was still posting 5x chapters / series on Patreon, which allowed me to build up a backlog. People still liked my book, but most people don't want to pay for a subscription long term. Some returned every few months for a month at a time, some still haven't been seen again. A lot of my exit surveys say they still love my work, but their finances are too difficult right now. The economy kind of sucks right now, so I get it. Still, until recently I was lucky if I made $150 / month, half of my peak numbers. That's with starting a second new series and doubling the cost for my completed one (they're buying 5x completed volumes now vs an ongoing subscription essentially).

Recently I joined all the new sites and it's helped my numbers to some extent because I'm reaching more people. I just marked the first volume of my romance series complete on Inkitt, which saw it added to more than 100 libraries last night. I got 3x temporary subscriptions from that. That's about how it goes, though, as most people only want to read completed work. I will say I've had an uptick in negative *ssh*less to deal with alongside the uptick in positive feedback and subscriptions. It's difficult to deal with so much anger from people who are reading for free, but there isn't much I can do about that.

One last thing before I wrap this up. Patreon doesn't take out taxes. If you live in the U.S. it might not be worth it to even attempt using it. H&R block charges $350 just to use their software and have the proper paperwork to file your taxes. Someone local*might* be cheaper, but no guarantees. Even after that, you still have to pay taxes since they aren't paid when you receive the money. I made $1,000 (before Patreon's fees) last year, but lost most of that money. It doesn't really feel worth it to spend 40+ hours working on writing, editing, marketing, etc. every single week just to make less money than I would for minimum wage at a part time job. My husband insists I continue without worrying about taxes, so I guess I'll keep going until the money drops below $100 / month. However, I regularly think about how much better it would be to just write fewer chapters a week and do it entirely for free. I'd still have to deal with *ssh*less, but I wouldn't have the taxes hanging over my head as well as feel like I have to overwork myself to death just to not upset the people paying me.
 

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I'm going to give you some context first, so hear me out.

I cross-post to Wattpad, RoyalRoad, ScribbleHub, Inkitt, Honeyfeed, Penana, WebNovel, and the reddit serials subreddit. I only started some of these places in the last month or so, but I post free chapters in bursts until I catch up to where I am elsewhere then only post 1x free chapter / week for each of my ongoing series. Also, I have short stories and shorter novella length stories I wrote a decade and a half ago that are far worse quality than my current work that I have posted in their entirety just so I can have a few completed works to give me more credibility. Few people trust new authors to complete what they started enough to pay them for content.

On my Patreon, I have 100+ early access chapters for 2x of my series and 40+ early access chapters for a third. I write and post 5x new chapters most weeks. I almost never completely take a week off, even between volumes, so, at worst, there might be a reduced number of new chapters that week.

My 5 volume completed reverse harem romance series is listed as a tier at $10 and people cancel after they download the 5 PDFs of main story and 1 PDF of side stories. My other 2 ongoing series and a companion diary series have 5 different tiers at different price points to mix and match what you want. $5 for just one series, $7.50 for one series and the diary entries, or $10 for all my dungeon work. I also have yearly subscription rates discounted 16% (max Patreon allows). Most of my subscribers are there for one series of the everything tier unless they are a temporary subscriber for the completed series. I've sold 2 year subscriptions for one series and 1 year for the everything dungeon tier. Most people subscribe, cancel, and come back later, even if they like your story. A few people decide they don't like the direction things take and cuss you out then cancel right away. That's less than 1% in my experience.

My work tends to very much so be a mixed bag for readers. Some absolutely love my work and feel the need to declare as much. Others like it well enough, show up every week, but don't think it's worth any real investment. Others clearly don't like my work, leave me bad reviews, mean comments, and yet don't stop reading until I block them. Some of those ones get angry they can't continue their verbal abuse and make new accounts to continue harassing me, sometimes even following me to other sites I cross-post to in order to do so. Others realize my work isn't for them and just quietly stop reading. Honestly, I prefer this type of rejection.

All of these readers then translate to the sorts of numbers you see with Patreon. Less than 10% of your dedicated readers will ever consider trying out Patreon to read your content. This is the individuals who follow, favorite, or whatever other form of subscribing to your story for free the site in question has. It is not of the people who simply glance at your story and then immediately drop it. Many individuals get even lower numbers for their Patreon and a few lucky few get more success, but it's rarely over 10%. Note than 10% of 100 is 10 whole 10% of 100,000 is 1,000 so authors with bigger followings just have more people in that 10% of readers.

I was nearly done with my 3rd book of my now completed romance series when I opened a Patreon. So most people had either dropped it or were hard core fans by the time I opened a Patreon. However, I was only using Wattpad back then and had ~1/4 million reads on the first volume. So, sales were slow the first few months with me being lucky to make $50 / month from subscriptions. A few months later I started my first dungeon series after joining RoyalRoad. I set up Patreon for that right away and readers slowly trickled in to read it for free, but rarely subscribed to the Patreon. Less than a month later, I joined Writathon where I had to post 55,555 words in 5 weeks, which is 23-56 chapters for me and required daily updates at minimum. I ended up nearly finishing my first volume in that time and my Patreon subscribers went from less than 5 to a few dozen just for the dungeon series.

By January of this year I hit peak numbers at nearly $300 / month, but the numbers quickly fell from there. I had gone back to my 1x free chapter / week and was still posting 5x chapters / series on Patreon, which allowed me to build up a backlog. People still liked my book, but most people don't want to pay for a subscription long term. Some returned every few months for a month at a time, some still haven't been seen again. A lot of my exit surveys say they still love my work, but their finances are too difficult right now. The economy kind of sucks right now, so I get it. Still, until recently I was lucky if I made $150 / month, half of my peak numbers. That's with starting a second new series and doubling the cost for my completed one (they're buying 5x completed volumes now vs an ongoing subscription essentially).

Recently I joined all the new sites and it's helped my numbers to some extent because I'm reaching more people. I just marked the first volume of my romance series complete on Inkitt, which saw it added to more than 100 libraries last night. I got 3x temporary subscriptions from that. That's about how it goes, though, as most people only want to read completed work. I will say I've had an uptick in negative *ssh*less to deal with alongside the uptick in positive feedback and subscriptions. It's difficult to deal with so much anger from people who are reading for free, but there isn't much I can do about that.

One last thing before I wrap this up. Patreon doesn't take out taxes. If you live in the U.S. it might not be worth it to even attempt using it. H&R block charges $350 just to use their software and have the proper paperwork to file your taxes. Someone local*might* be cheaper, but no guarantees. Even after that, you still have to pay taxes since they aren't paid when you receive the money. I made $1,000 (before Patreon's fees) last year, but lost most of that money. It doesn't really feel worth it to spend 40+ hours working on writing, editing, marketing, etc. every single week just to make less money than I would for minimum wage at a part time job. My husband insists I continue without worrying about taxes, so I guess I'll keep going until the money drops below $100 / month. However, I regularly think about how much better it would be to just write fewer chapters a week and do it entirely for free. I'd still have to deal with *ssh*less, but I wouldn't have the taxes hanging over my head as well as feel like I have to overwork myself to death just to not upset the people paying me.
That seems very stressful. I hope you are able to manage your time well.

Slightly relevant xkcd comic:

Scene: A man and a woman at a gas station. Man is pumping gas into his car, woman is on the other side of the pump. Woman: “Why are you going here? Gas is ten cents a gallon cheaper at the station five minutes that way.” Man: Because a penny saved is a penny earned.” Caption at the bottom of the doodle-sketch: “If you spend nine minutes of your time to save a dollar, you’re working for less than minimum wage.
 

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Any writers making money off this site?

If so, what's your strategy, how do you go about it? Any tips to get readers to become paid customers?

Thanks.
Considering that the quality of the vast majority of the content on this site is low, probably not. You can’t really make money from this site to begin with and can only use it as a means to increase traffic towards subscription sites like Patreon, BuyMeACoffee, etc… Another thing to note is anyone who actually wants to be a writer needs to have an online presence on about a dozen sites and needs to know how to actually write a book, script, comic strip, etc… then the definitive answer would be no.

You only post on this site because you can, not because you make money from it.
 

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I make about $350 a month, which ain't bad!

It's nearly all Scribblehub because the only other place I crosspost is Ao3 which doesn't allow Patreon promotion, though I've branched out to a few other places lately.

I have a £10 tier that lets people commission 5k words off me a month with 5 slots, everything else is a £3 tier that lets them see everything. I have around 60+ chapters booked, and that grows by 1-2 a week.

I'm definitely on the low end for price, but I have a decent job so the money doesn't mean a huge amount to me, it's mainly just LARP kit money. Most people charge more, so I'd look at a few different people whose model you're aiming to copy and see what they charge and what they give for it.

I get quite a few yearly subscriptions, which is a nice £40 injection now and then!

I am in the main niche for Scribblehub though (Smutty Girl Love stuff) and if you weren't writing smut you'd be far better served trying your luck with Royal Road and Scribblehub together.
 
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One last thing before I wrap this up. Patreon doesn't take out taxes. If you live in the U.S. it might not be worth it to even attempt using it. H&R block charges $350 just to use their software and have the proper paperwork to file your taxes. Someone local*might* be cheaper, but no guarantees. Even after that, you still have to pay taxes since they aren't paid when you receive the money. I made $1,000 (before Patreon's fees) last year, but lost most of that money. It doesn't really feel worth it to spend 40+ hours working on writing, editing, marketing, etc. every single week just to make less money than I would for minimum wage at a part time job. My husband insists I continue without worrying about taxes, so I guess I'll keep going until the money drops below $100 / month. However, I regularly think about how much better it would be to just write fewer chapters a week and do it entirely for free. I'd still have to deal with *ssh*less, but I wouldn't have the taxes hanging over my head as well as feel like I have to overwork myself to death just to not upset the people paying me.
This is why I don't like the Patreon model. I want to upload stories, and then have aspects of the stories locked behind a paywall, basically in the form of digital and physical volumes they can buy. Maybe you should try that.
 

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Replies in this thread make me think I should abandon the planned patreon-like tiered subscription system for NovelPets - the writing/publishing platform I'm building - and instead simply allow authors to group their content in a buy once-own-forever model:

- Allow authors to group blocks of chapters, for example, chapters 1-10 free, and then users can buy blocks of 10 chapters for $.99 each.
- Allow authors to sell their novel as a buy once digital ownership kinda thing, basically like amazon kindle
- Allow authors to group novels into collections, and sell them as bundle

Having a subscription sounds good, but as people in this thread have pointed out, it just leads to people paying for a month, downloading everything, and then canceling.
 
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This is why I don't like the Patreon model. I want to upload stories, and then have aspects of the stories locked behind a paywall, basically in the form of digital and physical volumes they can buy. Maybe you should try that.

So, Patreon has a shop option, but it's only available for normal accounts. Since my reverse harem romance series has smut in it, I have to be marked as 18+, which doesn't have the shop option available at this time. I'd prefer to have all my completed volumes listed in a shop format, but I hate Amazon and I'd really rather not be trying to funnel traffic to more than one premium site. Besides that, I don't really want to stub any of my stories and many of my readers support my work knowing that they'll get the full story whether they pay for it or not.

Also, the part you quoted about taxes wouldn't be fixed by not having early access chapters. Any form of making money off my writing would be taxed as an independent contractor, which would result in the same problem.
 

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Replies in this thread make me think I should abandon the planned patreon-like tiered subscription system for NovelPets - the writing/publishing platform I'm building - and instead simply allow authors to group their content in a buy once-own-forever model:
Sounds like a cool idea. Would be nice to actually have the site behave like an online book seller too, where authors can upload EPUB files and sell them in volumes or whatever.
 

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Replies in this thread make me think I should abandon the planned patreon-like tiered subscription system for NovelPets - the writing/publishing platform I'm building - and instead simply allow authors to group their content in a buy once-own-forever model:

- Allow authors to group blocks of chapters, for example, chapters 1-10 free, and then users can buy blocks of 10 chapters for $.99 each.
- Allow authors to sell their novel as a buy once digital ownership kinda thing, basically like amazon kindle
- Allow authors to group novels into collections, and sell them as bundle

Having a subscription sounds good, but as people in this thread have pointed out, it just leads to people paying for a month, downloading everything, and then canceling.
The point of the patreon model which nearly all popular web novelists use is that you release constant advance chapters, so subs are always reading ahead and receiving new content. So paying for a month and canceling does nothing? Not sure what you mean

The patreon model is pretty much a solved science at this point. If your goal is making money as a web novelist, you follow that template, else you sacrifice a huge portion of your income. People have tried all the other ideas; they don't work.

And if an author establishes themselves as reputable, they'll move to Amazon. I can't see a web novel site that functions as a store front like ideas 2.) and 3.) ever working. Just my perspective though.
 
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Replies in this thread make me think I should abandon the planned patreon-like tiered subscription system for NovelPets - the writing/publishing platform I'm building - and instead simply allow authors to group their content in a buy once-own-forever model:

- Allow authors to group blocks of chapters, for example, chapters 1-10 free, and then users can buy blocks of 10 chapters for $.99 each.
- Allow authors to sell their novel as a buy once digital ownership kinda thing, basically like amazon kindle
- Allow authors to group novels into collections, and sell them as bundle

Having a subscription sounds good, but as people in this thread have pointed out, it just leads to people paying for a month, downloading everything, and then canceling.

I feel like I'd sell way less with something like that. That's essentially just WebNovel with, assumably, a less predatory contract. No one wants to buy my work for $8 - $10 / volume. I barely sell 5 volumes for $10 ($2 each). The early access chapters model gets compared to platforms like Twitch where it is more of a tip jar whereas buying books gets compared to Amazon where you can get whole bundles of books for $0.99. As it is, on sites like this, people say "why would I pay for your book when there are dozens of others I can read for free?" If you're already stuck fighting an uphill battle due to these mindsets, making it worse isn't going to help.

I didn't say people pay for a month, download everything, and cancel. I said people pay for a month for early access chapters they can only read during their subscription period, cancel, and come back when there are enough chapters to feel worth it for them. My one series I have to sell via subscription because the shop feature isn't available to 18+ accounts on Patreon. However, the $10 / 5 volumes is meant to be a one time payment anyways, so it would make no sense for them not to cancel. I don't see anyone else saying anything similar, so don't put words in my mouth to sell your nonsense.
 

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https://forum.scribblehub.com/threads/ㅤ.11709/post-254824 I tried to do this topic justice like two years ago. The economy has since declined at least where I'm from.

*In the case of non-smut*
Short answer: no, most people are not making any money off this site.
Long answer: There is little to no money to be made off this site, you are better off treating this as a social media platform or beta reader hosting site with metrics.
Longer answer: Too much overlap with other sites and an overall stingier audience makes this site's viability limited on the monetary side of things for an exclusive author. Currently the site doesn't have the community nor regulations that larger sites have that could foster more versatile niches.
Longest answer: check my post and preceding thoughts on it.

*In the case of smut*
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: This site has the reputation for allowing various raunchy stories with fantastical plots of varying degrees. It is very saturated(for a lower mid sized site), but good prose(better than a middle schooler and a good understanding of the english language), a dedicated schedule or consistent release pattern, and a decent understanding of tags and what kind of content is acceptable is pretty much all you need to succeed in this path.
 

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I don't like the Patreon model. I want to have advance chapters locked behind completed volumes readers can buy, or even extra side stories (maybe the spicy kind.)

Thoughts?
If you don't want to use Patreon, I suggest making a website to funnel your potential buyers toward, like The Wandering Inn.

For this method, you'll want them to stop using free sites and push them toward your book's domain. I'd suggest advertising that you have free advanced chapters on your website, enticing them to click, then once they've had their fill, have the volumes set up behind WordPress e-commerce pages (or whatever e-commerce model you choose).

Because you offered the free chapters, there would be no reason for them to go back to the original web serial site, either forcing them to wait for the next free chapter installments or to purchase a volume. Either way, you're getting straightforward promotion.
 
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