Fairy Tail vs Black Clover, which manga/ anime has the better magic systyem?

[Ruti]

both are powered by friendship and screaming but fairy tail's bullshit friendship magic can revive a dead character so fairy tail

to be fair, they atleast made it an ancient magic, with specific usage condition, instead of like "YOU CAN DO IT [mc name] YOU CAN DO IT!" and then mc gets 27 times stronger, and their slayer magic system is pretty good, since it makes certain match up's more unique, compared to Black clovers "ooooooooooooooo I have more leafs on my clover on my grimoire, so my magic is naturally gonna be stronger then yours with less effort!" and "my grimoire has a devil in it, so mine is dangerous AND strong!"

I never got into BC, but Fairy Tail became bad after a good opening. The author somehow kept making it worse and worse.

to be fair, it was WEEKLY releases. you know, the kind that basically causes death to most good initial plots due to lack of time and short deadlines? They probably could have made a story with a much better plotline and less random plot armor moments if they were like, a monthly release instead. But well, having to split your time to both make chapters long enough to be a chapter, with enough plot progression, and also draw everything, must be pretty hard when you only had a week to publish, or go on hiatus and risk being axed for whatever reason. Fairytail 0 was pretty good though, since I'm pretty sure that was a side story with less pressure to constant release then fairytail

 

[RepresentingWrath]

to be fair, it was WEEKLY releases. you know, the kind that basically causes death to most good initial plots due to lack of time and short deadlines?

Hard disagree.

 

[Ruti]

Hard disagree.

eh, guess it depends on the preparedness of the author prior to serialization. More prepared = less likely to just start going downhill
release speed just makes it more obvious how prepared an author is. Though for sure, the story would be a good bit better if the Author had more time to make the story. Haven't read the sequel, Fairytail; 100 year quest yet, but hopefully the author is more prepared. its also a biweekly release, so hopefully less random plot armor moments

 

[RepresentingWrath]

eh, guess it depends on the preparedness of the author prior to serialization. More prepared = less likely to just start going downhill

This. And their imagination, maybe even talent? Not every author can write an entertaining story, even if their previous works were good.

 

[Ruti]

This. And their imagination, maybe even talent? Not every author can write an entertaining story, even if their previous works were good.

yeah that too. Think Fairy Tail author had a lot of imagination though, considering how many successful mangas he has had (even if all the MC's for them look nearly identical to the other series)
Think it was just an issue of not being prepared enough, and running out of ideas as time went by, alongside the week long deadline that lowers the timeframe to think of new ideas (that weren't prepared before hand prior to serialization)

 

[RepresentingWrath]

yeah that too. Think Fairy Tail author had a lot of imagination though, considering how many successful mangas he has had (even if all the MC's for them look nearly identical to the other series)
Think it was just an issue of not being prepared enough, and running out of ideas as time went by, alongside the week long deadline that lowers the timeframe to think of new ideas (that weren't prepared before hand prior to serialization)

My opinion, number of successful mangas is not a good indicator of talent. You can get popular with a work that is not good. You can be unpopular with a masterpiece. Speaking of masterpieces.

Yasuhiro Kanō, the author of Mx0. A manga I really like, critically reviewed to be very good, some call it a romcom masterpiece. It was axed. The author was talented, and he, to this day, keeps writing new titles, yet all of them are simply not as good as Mx0. They are less popular, have less good reviews, and you can see why. So, even if you write a masterpiece, doesn't mean your next work is going to be a masterpiece as well.

 

[Ruti]

Yasuhiro Kanō, the author of Mx0. A manga I really like, critically reviewed to be very good, some call it a romcom masterpiece. It was axed. The author was talented, and he, to this day, keeps writing new titles, yet all of them are simply not as good as Mx0. They are less popular, have less good reviews, and you can see why. So, even if you write a masterpiece, doesn't mean your next work is going to be a masterpiece as well.

yep. also painful how many good stories get axed, while all the trashy ones continue to be published. Like cmon, did you REALLY need to axe "The Mutant Wants to Kiss His Human Girlfriend"??? Such a good premise, with a lot of work being prepared for future plot. and then it got axed, and author had to do a very obviously rushed ending.

My opinion, number of successful mangas is not a good indicator of talent. You can get popular with a work that is not good. You can be unpopular with a masterpiece

yep. Land of the lustrous is a masterpiece, yet not many know of it. Also probably because of the EXTREME bias towards "CGI is bad, no matter how its used" with how its anime was an actually good CGI, and still somehow has better animation then modern animes (and SDS past season 3) despite being a 2017 release (the anime not the manga)

 

[2wordsperminute]

They're both annoyingly bad.

 

[Theirl]

fairy tail has a magic system? like i dont there is rules well being a while since i read fairy tail

 

[Ruti]

fairy tail has a magic system? like i dont there is rules well being a while since i read fairy tail

They do. Bit vague though, so that they have more freedom to do whatever. Yeah, less unique then ones like HxH, but theres less thought needed into giving someone new magic

FairyTail magic system is, very roughly
normal magic: most magics are in this catagory
slayer magic: magic created specifically to kill certain things. Basically normal magic, but just a lot stronger, with the added benefit of being extra effective against what its meant for (IE dragon slayers are more able to kill dragons, and God slayers to gods) HOWEVER, it ONLY applies to said thing its meant for, so God slayers cant just slay dragons as easily as dragons slayers do. There's also the type of slayer magic, so while a fire dragon slayer could still slay, say, a water dragon, it wouldn't be as easy as killing a fire dragon
Ancient magic: mostly forgotten, but REALLY strong magic with downsides. usually consists of things like the Fairytail guilds Fairy magic, or something like Grays iced shell.
Sacrifice magic: basically the other things, except you can sacrifice something to make a spell stronger, like, for example, your existence to seal someone with iced shell.
Summoning magic: summons the zodiacs as a fighting style.

But most of the time, you'll just see a bunch of slayer magic and normal magic, with random bits of new magic that comes from basically nowhere (since they don't properly define it)

 

[esThr]

As someone who has (unfortunately) witness both I guess some comparisons can be made.

Black clover magic solely focuses on the grimoires which acts like a medium for the caster's spell. Each new spell that they learnt would be inscribed in the grimoire. Besides that, theres also the speciality with the clovers with 3 leaf, 4 leaf and 5 leaf which are devil possessed. Now this is where the first plot hole arrives, this system is ONLY applicable to the clover kingdom and nowhere else. Spade also has devil possessed fools but the way their grimoire was used was ignored further making the plot holes bigger. As if that wasn't bad enough, grimoire fusions were also made but glossed over instantly as well. I.E: it became random bullshit go.

Now we have fairy tail who is probably as big of an offender or worse. First of, the magic system is as generic as it can be. Mana is everywhere, people meditate to feel mana and... that's it..
No magical affinities or at least that's how it felt considering people could just master any magic. Now that's the first plot hole here (spoiler: theres a fuck ton.) People could learn any magic and in fairy tail zero it has been shown that ANYONE can learn ANY magic. Spells of varying power can also be created depending on the scales of magic, yet we have a bunch of useless cannon fodder in the show who could barely show such feats.
2nd plot hole would be the flawed concept of the system itself. You have all types of magics and so called "gods" of the world but they often felt less existing and more so just last minute additions that ruin the already questionable magic system of the story. Like for example, you are gonna tell me dragon slaying magic exists and someone could just dual wield it yet no one had thought of dual wielding besides the main cast and a few antagonists??
3rd plot hole would be the so called existence of magical experimentation and the extreme flaw of magical properties in the show. You are telling me someone created virtual space magic and the best they can do with it is to make it work like condensed gravity balls or some woman struggling with time magic and lost her life trying to rewind a few seconds only to see another time user who can stop time for indefinitely. Yeah just whack.
Theres more that I can ramble on but I'll stop there.

TLDR: Both systems are absolutely horseshit and God awful, riddled with plot holes that even a 14 year old can address and fix. But BC takes the win here since it at least tries to expand the magic system beyond just "leaving the plot build itself"

 

[ParticleOfSand]

This was not what I was expecting when I clicked on this thread.

 

[OP1000]

My biggest gripe was the biggest asspull of the dragons living within the dragon slayers. Maaaan, wat? That's extra giga stoopid. Then, the author did another story with the same characters and different hair colors. I never checked that out, but it just shows the author is also stoopid,

Are you talking about Edens Zero?

As someone who has (unfortunately) witness both I guess some comparisons can be made.

Black clover magic solely focuses on the grimoires which acts like a medium for the caster's spell. Each new spell that they learnt would be inscribed in the grimoire. Besides that, theres also the speciality with the clovers with 3 leaf, 4 leaf and 5 leaf which are devil possessed. Now this is where the first plot hole arrives, this system is ONLY applicable to the clover kingdom and nowhere else. Spade also has devil possessed fools but the way their grimoire was used was ignored further making the plot holes bigger. As if that wasn't bad enough, grimoire fusions were also made but glossed over instantly as well. I.E: it became random bullshit go.

Now we have fairy tail who is probably as big of an offender or worse. First of, the magic system is as generic as it can be. Mana is everywhere, people meditate to feel mana and... that's it..
No magical affinities or at least that's how it felt considering people could just master any magic. Now that's the first plot hole here (spoiler: theres a fuck ton.) People could learn any magic and in fairy tail zero it has been shown that ANYONE can learn ANY magic. Spells of varying power can also be created depending on the scales of magic, yet we have a bunch of useless cannon fodder in the show who could barely show such feats.
2nd plot hole would be the flawed concept of the system itself. You have all types of magics and so called "gods" of the world but they often felt less existing and more so just last minute additions that ruin the already questionable magic system of the story. Like for example, you are gonna tell me dragon slaying magic exists and someone could just dual wield it yet no one had thought of dual wielding besides the main cast and a few antagonists??
3rd plot hole would be the so called existence of magical experimentation and the extreme flaw of magical properties in the show. You are telling me someone created virtual space magic and the best they can do with it is to make it work like condensed gravity balls or some woman struggling with time magic and lost her life trying to rewind a few seconds only to see another time user who can stop time for indefinitely. Yeah just whack.
Theres more that I can ramble on but I'll stop there.

TLDR: Both systems are absolutely horseshit and God awful, riddled with plot holes that even a 14 year old can address and fix. But BC takes the win here since it at least tries to expand the magic system beyond just "leaving the plot build itself"

Now this is a good comparison for the magic systems of both series.

This was not what I was expecting when I clicked on this thread.

What were you expecting?

 

[Corty]

Are you talking about Edens Zero?

Yep.