SHF High-school Fanfic

[TheMonotonePuppet]

It cannot. Idea can be right or wrong. The concept cannot be wrong. This is your own interpretation, which is irrelevant. Azure doesn't have to define anything about her skill to make it work. You decided to interpret it like this, then it's your own choice, but don't act as if it's the objective truth.

Ok. First off, this ability specifically makes it so a concept can be right or wrong.
So regardless of whether you believe it or not irl, if a concept can be deleted, then it can be made right or wrong. Which puts a limitation on Azure_Fog. She did NOT have this limitation (because her ability is a poorly explored, poorly written ability) UNTIL Raymann came around. Raymann’s Chair 0 FORCES this restriction on her.

Example:
A concept of a cookie. There's nothing about this that makes it right or wrong. It's just that. A cookie. There's no such thing as right cookie or wrong cookie, because it is every possible something that was, could be or will be a cookie

Example:
0 cookies will always be 0 cookies even if you delete the concept of 0 cookies as now it is 0 0 cookies which is just equivalent to 0 cookies.
Example: in a world that operates by different rules than our own, there can be wrong concepts of cookies and right concepts of cookies. This is not operating by our rules, where you would be right if we were. If it was operating by our rules, then Azure_Fog wouldn’t be able to influence causality, which is impossible to affect according to our rules.
Raymann operates by different rules. Do you understand now? Concepts can be right or wrong, because that is how this defense works.

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To destroy it Azure has no need to define what a cookie is. She just has to think about an abstract concept. A cookie. And that what makes it possible for her to destroy it.
>Thinks a cookie.
>Stabs.
>Done.

But she has chosen the wrong concept of a cookie. She deletes every possible something that was, could be or will be a cookie, right? But it is wrong!
Why?
Because Raymann’s ability makes it so. Just as Azure_Fog doesn’t need to define hers (she simply needs to think of it) neither does Raymann need to define how it is making concepts in right ones or wrong ones.

Also, second obstacle: So… she deletes it… making it 0… which naturally means that Raymann is still there.
The problem with deletion, my dear daikon, that 0 and nothing will are always there, no matter how metaphysical something is there. They are well-known for being paradoxical numbers.

Well then it's Raymann problem, because Azure's skill doesn't recognize right or wrong concept. You arbitrarily put that limitation on her (Azure) skill and now you expect her to prove your own idea based on her own idea. This doesn't work like that. You made a fundamental mistake while designing this and it's not Azure's responsibility to prove that she can stab, but yours to prove that she can't.

See above.

No, I am understanding. You are refusing to acknowledge that you're pushing your own interpretation on this and expect it to be recognized as the only one correct.

See above. The power is literally pushing my interpretation of things onto her.

It doesn't have to occur. There just have to be an abstract idea of an event like it. She just have to think that something like that could potentially happen and it immediately makes it stabbable. Also for her time when something happens is irrelevant.

Also, you should decide on one version, because:

It means that there's was a beginign to it. Means Azure can freely travel to the time before that and stab whatever she wants.

Ah yes. Did Rayman specify where that space time was? Oh yeah… within the black box that is chair 0.

If Raymann doesn't understand herself then Azure wins by default, because you keep changing what is what, so it is impossible to even theorize about anything.

Ok, now this is genuinely bullshit. Because Azure_Fog doesn’t even understand her powers. It is fine if Raymann doesn’t understand, because I do. And I have not changed anything from comment to comment. In fact, I have remained completely consistent.
So, if you do want to apply this logic, and I understand if you do, then we should apply this to Azure_Fog, who has changed her powers so much that they differ from comment to comment.
So, let us rule this out, because Raymann was not even the one who thought of this idea. I was.
However, if you would like to, then I encourage Azure_Fog to gather all of the her own comments that mention her powers.

 

[TheMonotonePuppet]

hey im trying my best here...

Don’t worry. You’re doing well.
*pats head*

 

[MidnightFox]

Славик Мама, ты должна это знать, я не убиваю, если это не крайне необходимо.
Я не убийца Владимира Козлова. Ты не знаешь, что Козлов играл втройне? Не только с американцами. Но и с наркокартелем. Ты думаешь, что семья Элдрич полностью контролирует его. Не все довольны таким положением вещей.

Help i need a translator, but not just any translator, help @Simple_Russian_Boi

 

[TheMonotonePuppet]

Oi! I drink Danny’s blood regularly!!!

Isn’t it xylem and phloem, instead of blood?…
Hey, @RepresentingEnvy , as the progenitor of all vampires, is a vegan vamp an actual vamp? Or vampires good ol animal blood drinkers

 

[SRB]

*feels the anger in the painful grip*
Славик Мама, ты должна это знать, я не убиваю, если это не крайне необходимо.
Я не убийца Владимира Козлова. Ты не знаешь, что Козлов играл втройне? Не только с американцами. Но и с наркокартелем. Ты думаешь, что семья Элдрич полностью контролирует его. Не все довольны таким положением вещей.

*the hand that touched you is disintegrating into dust*
*SRB looks at the hand in interest*
Ты не убийца? Чтож, даже я могу ошибаться, Комрад. Наркокартель не так сильно интересует меня, как тебе может показаться, ведь как и я не знаю всего о тебе, так и ты не знаешь многого о мне.
Я могу предположить что ты думаешь. Раз уж я глава семьи, то это значит, что я должен контролировать её и все группы, в которых есть члены семьи. Однако ты ошибаешься. Убийства, власть, наркотики и деньги меня не интересуют. Всё, о чем я забочусь - это моя семья. То, что я построил своими усилиями под удачной звездой случайности.
*he slices off the hand, not allowing the rest of his body to turn to dust*
И ты хочешь это разрушить ради своих глупых идеалов или почему ты это делаешь - мне это не важно. Я не могу тебе этого позволить.
Так что иди, Ватча. Иди прочь и знай: чтобы разрушить влияние Семьи, тебе придётся убить меня. Лично. Ибо я даю тебе слово, что никто другой кроме тебя не сможет убить меня навечно.
*you feel something wrapping around your heart, not knowing that SRB feels the exact same sensation*
*it's not painful, but it makes your heart feel heavy*
You're free to go. I won't stop your silly delusions of balance or somesuch. Just remember that I never once went back on my word.

 

[Azure_Fog]

Isn’t it xylem and phloem, instead of blood?…
Hey, @RepresentingEnvy , as the progenitor of all vampires, is a vegan vamp an actual vamp? Or vampires good ol animal blood drinkers

Danny isn't always a daikon... she has a human form you know~

 

[SRB]

I'm going to need a translator for this

Gimme a moment

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Isn’t it xylem and phloem, instead of blood?…
Hey, @RepresentingEnvy , as the progenitor of all vampires, is a vegan vamp an actual vamp? Or vampires good ol animal blood drinkers

Well, lemme tell you. I made an exception for the vegan vampires because Kraken-nee is vegan.

 

[MidnightFox]

Gimme a moment

I may be Bulgarian but that doesn't mean i know russian (as a matter of fact i failed both my native language and russian subjects in school) English is the only language I understand perfectly fine without needing any help at all

 

[SRB]

@MidnightFox1 here.
1. SRB.
Your little step to victory. Was it worth Kozlov's death? His daughter cried as his coffin was lowered into the cold ground. In this school, everyone who is killed can come back to life, these are the rules, but Kozlov? He will never see the sunlight again.

2. Watcha.
Slavik Mama, you should know this, I don't kill unless it's absolutely necessary.
I am not the murderer of Vladimir Kozlov. Don't you know that Kozlov played on three sides? Not only with Americans. But also with the drug cartel. You think the Eldritch family is completely in control of them. Not everyone is happy with this state of affairs.

3. SRB
You're not the killer? Well, even I can be wrong, Comrade. The drug cartel doesn't interest me as much as you might think, because just as I don't know everything about you, you don't know much about me.

I can guess what you're thinking. Since I am the head of the family, it means that I have to control it and all the groups that were influenced by us. You are wrong, however. I'm not interested in murder, power, drugs, or money. All I care about is my family. What I built with my own efforts under the lucky star of chance.

And you want to destroy it for the sake of your stupid ideals or why you're doing it - it doesn't matter to me. I can't let you do that.

So go ahead, Watcha. Go away and know that to destroy the influence of the Family, you will have to kill me. Personally. For I give you my word that no one else but you will be able to kill me permanently.

 

[TheMonotonePuppet]

Danny isn't always a daikon... she has a human form you know~

Ahhh, true, true.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

goddamit ... well i dont like hurting my friends, but i cant involve a passerby... reach for my pocket pull a pin

*screams*

Oh. That's Iris, alright. You're good, little one
*gives you another headpat*

*cuddles Void-chan lots and lots* I could get used to it

*enjoys it*

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Welcome to my world...
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YAY!

 

[TheMonotonePuppet]

Well, lemme tell you. I made an exception for the vegan vampires because Kraken-nee is vegan.

@Azure_Fog from the mouth of the progenitor herself: you’re still a vampire,

 

[MatchaChocolate69]

Not even 100% dark chocolate is as bitter as the taste of betrayal.

 

[SsemouyOnan]

Not even 100% dark chocolate is as bitter as the taste of betrayal.

LORD MATCHA THAT'S THE LADY NOT ME OR SEYMOUR >_<

 

[SRB]

*screams*

*covers your eyes with his hands and heals them*

*enjoys it*

YAY!

 

[MatchaChocolate69]

LORD MATCHA THAT'S THE LADY NOT ME OR SEYMOUR >_<

It's fine.

 

[SRB]

It's fine.

Is it? Turn around and show us your face please

 

[MatchaChocolate69]

Is it? Turn around and show us your face please

 

[Deleted member 146224]

Ok. First off, this ability specifically makes it so a concept can be right or wrong.

Well then Azure can alter it so it can't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Azure controls reality too. By stating that this skill changes A to B you make the skill stop being a concept and instead becomes a reality and so it's effect falls under Azure's control. She can now change B back to A.

She did NOT have this limitation (because her ability is a poorly explored, poorly written ability)

Precisely. She didn't. If she didn't have it then it can't be put on her. Who are you to decide what limitations can she have or not have? She is the author of her own character and so she decides what limitations that character has. On top of that it was stated multiple times that none of us can interfere with the abilities of others, which you are doing right now.

Example:
0 cookies will always be 0 cookies even if you delete the concept of 0 cookies as now it is 0 0 cookies which is just equivalent to 0 cookies.

No. If she deletes the concept of "a cookie" then there will be no such thing as "0 cookies" because there's no such thing as "a cookie". There will be only 0.

Example: in a world that operates by different rules than our own, there can be wrong concepts of cookies and right concepts of cookies. This is not operating by our rules, where you would be right if we were. If it was operating by our rules, then Azure_Fog wouldn’t be able to influence causality, which is impossible to affect according to our rules.
Raymann operates by different rules. Do you understand now? Concepts can be right or wrong, because that is how this defense works.

You are saying irrelevant things. I'm going to repeat myself. Azure's skill does not have a limitation in a for of "right concept" or "wrong cocnept". Period. That's it. Anything else is your own interpretation. You want to see it that way then so be it. But it is irrelevant to her own skills.

If I wave my hand at you, but you decide to interpret it as flipping a finger then it's just that. Your own interpretation. It doesn't change the fact that I waved my finger and it won't change the way my brain make's the waving gesture.

But she has chosen the wrong concept of a cookie. She deletes every possible something that was, could be or will be a cookie, right? But it is wrong!
Why?
Because Raymann’s ability makes it so.

Then Azure will alter reality to make it so she removed the correct cookie. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just as Azure_Fog doesn’t need to define hers (she simply needs to think of it) neither does Raymann need to define how it is making concepts in right ones or wrong ones.

Azure can erase the concept of someone like Raymann existing. She can do that from outside of time using Scarlet Apple, meaning she doesn't even need to pinpoint the correct moment. She can remove the possibility of someone like this existing ever. And no, it deosn't make 0 Raymanns. It makes 0.

Also, second obstacle: So… she deletes it… making it 0… which naturally means that Raymann is still there.

No.

The problem with deletion, my dear daikon, that 0 and nothing will are always there, no matter how metaphysical something is there. They are well-known for being paradoxical numbers.

Your perception of 0 will always be there. A key difference.

See above.

See above. The power is literally pushing my interpretation of things onto her.

Ah yes. Did Rayman specify where that space time was? Oh yeah… within the black box that is chair 0.

This is again simply you saying that it's like this "because I said so". Then I'm saying it's not, because I said so.

Ok, now this is genuinely bullshit.

This is bullshit? How about your "if she doesn't respond then she lost"? This is kindergarten level of bullshit, so I'm only playing along.

Because Azure_Fog doesn’t even understand her powers.

Because you said so? You think she doesn't understand her powers, based on your own idea in your own head. Your opinion on that matter means nothing, because you are not some revered judge who gets to decide who understands their own character and who doesn't.

It is fine if Raymann doesn’t understand, because I do.

Then it's fine if Azure doesn't understand because I do.

And I have not changed anything from comment to comment. In fact, I have remained completely consistent.

Then you should've made it clear from the start that we should listen only to you and ignore Raymann.

So, if you do want to apply this logic, and I understand if you do, then we should apply this to Azure_Fog, who has changed her powers so much that they differ from comment to comment.

They stay consistent, which you would know if you paid attention. You proved time and time again that you don't know anymore what is happening and instead of trying to keep up you are now pushing your own interpretation on everyone.

However, if you would like to, then I encourage Azure_Fog to gather all of the her own comments that mention her powers.

She doesn't have to prove her innocence. You have to prove that she's wrong. So it is you who have to dig through 1195 pages and collect her comments, not her.