New Years Battle: Humans vs Vampires (Humans Win)

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

I love all of the meanings behind this! This is like... the motto for my cult of the Stars. I need this as a T-shirt SO BADLY!!!
@Prince_Azmiran_Myrian
1. We made imaginary friends.
2. Friendship is fake.
3. The friends are fake.
4. Friendship is a hallucination of mankind, and we are all just enjoying the dream.
5. Some outside influence is making us think friendship exists.
6. Everything is a delusion.
7. Everything other than ourselves is/could be a delusion of our human brain because of how it operates. @Voidiris Your favored one?
8. We are mentally ill (read: mentally FUN)
9. How it applies to my lore: we are all part of the dream of the Stars - their delusions - and if we want, we can all be their FRIENDS, and thus we are the real delusions.
10. If true, this sentence is proof that lies are better than truth in many aspects. Lies can be more real than truth, and matter more as well to the heart. Kokichi Ouma is right? For those Danganronpa fans, @ElliePorter @Blue09o @Cipiteca396 @SsemouyOnan @TenderHuman
11. And if true, this sentence is proof that lies are better than truth in these aspects as well: For all those Super Supportive fans, loving lies can be a sign of care, and protection of blissful ignorance for the youth.
12. And if true, this sentence is proof that lies are better than truth in these aspects as well!: For Santa fans - LOL! - and parents who may or may not give and/or plan to give the wonder of fairytales to their children such as @K5Rakitan and @DemonOppai , this proof supports giving children belief in the magic of the world.

Each one of these points has 2.37 meanings, please enlighten me.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

This statement has 14 different meanings and I want you to tell me each one of them.

I don’t want to hear it though.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

I love all of the meanings behind this! This is like... the motto for my cult of the Stars. I need this as a T-shirt SO BADLY!!!
@Prince_Azmiran_Myrian
1. We made imaginary friends.
2. Friendship is fake.
3. The friends are fake.
4. Friendship is a hallucination of mankind, and we are all just enjoying the dream.
5. Some outside influence is making us think friendship exists.
6. Everything is a delusion.
7. Everything other than ourselves is/could be a delusion of our human brain because of how it operates. @Voidiris Your favored one?
8. We are mentally ill (read: mentally FUN)
9. How it applies to my lore: we are all part of the dream of the Stars - their delusions - and if we want, we can all be their FRIENDS, and thus we are the real delusions.
10. If true, this sentence is proof that lies are better than truth in many aspects. Lies can be more real than truth, and matter more as well to the heart. Kokichi Ouma is right? For those Danganronpa fans, @ElliePorter @Blue09o @Cipiteca396 @SsemouyOnan @TenderHuman
11. And if true, this sentence is proof that lies are better than truth in these aspects as well: For all those Super Supportive fans, loving lies can be a sign of care, and protection of blissful ignorance for the youth.
12. And if true, this sentence is proof that lies are better than truth in these aspects as well!: For Santa fans - LOL! - and parents who may or may not give and/or plan to give the wonder of fairytales to their children such as @K5Rakitan and @DemonOppai , this proof supports giving children belief in the magic of the world.

Wow, you put my world view quite good in words.
1. We don't need imaginary friends, if we talk to ourselves.
2. It's the matter of course.
3. We simply don't know them.
4. That's the description for most things that make us happy.
5. Instincts.
6. The world we know is nothing but a delusion.
7. Well yes but 8 is my favorite one.
8. Mental illness is a delusion.
9. [REDACTED]
10. Indeed humans crave what they like the most.
11. Ignorance is bliss.
12. Well I'm too a Satan fan and seeing the lost of innocents is always awesome to see.

 

[GlassRose]

Thats not how heat death or entropy work. And anyway, such theory only exists to cope with a universe that isn't eternal.

What logical inconsistencies are there? I would like to know as I am not aware of the inconsistencies.

Entropy isn't a physical law; it's a statistical one. It is simply more probable for things in an 'orderly' state to revert to a more 'chaotic' one, on scales so immense that for any practical purpose to us, one can say that entropy always increases. But by freak chance, it is possible for entropy to reverse, for something orderly to spontaneously arise from chaos, it's just that even when that does happen it's going to be so small and so overshadowed by the progression of chaos that it is not notable, but it can happen, and with enough time, anything that can happen will, so despite the utter improbability, it is theoretically possible for a system in a state of maximum entropy to reverse to a state of minimum entropy.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Entropy isn't a physical law; it's a statistical one.

It's the second law of thermodynamics.

and with enough time, anything that can happen will,

Not true, something like a fully functioning computer will not arise from purely natural processes. That is something that requires intelligent design. Time is an insufficient explanation for many theories. edit: and since the universe has a time limit, not everything will come to pass.

so despite the utter improbability, it is theoretically possible for a system in a state of maximum entropy to reverse to a state of minimum entropy.

Only in an open system where the surroundings have a different level of energy to do work.
If heat death has occurred, everything is inert.

Now supernatural things do not follow the physical laws of science, so I suppose you were right: For the universe to be recreated, one would have to rely on the supernatural to make it happen.

 

[GlassRose]

It's the second law of thermodynamics.

Not true, something like a fully functioning computer will not arise from purely natural processes. That is something that requires intelligent design. Time is an insufficient explanation for many theories. edit: and since the universe has a time limit, not everything will come to pass.

Only in an open system where the surroundings have a different level of energy to do work.
If heat death has occurred, everything is inert.

Now supernatural things do not follow the physical laws of science, so I suppose you were right: For the universe to be recreated, one would have to rely on the supernatural to make it happen.

It's not a physical law like the others, at least as far as I have heard when I went down that rabbit hole, and the explanations made sense.

And, a fully functioning computer will not arrive from purely natural processes? What is a brain, if not a natural computer? And we have good reason to believe that such a thing can develop naturally, without the requirement of intelligence intervention.

And you dismissing a computer, assuming what one traditionally thinks of when considering a computer, as impossible without intelligence behind it is baseless. There is no reason why such a thing could not be created by natural accident, beyond that it is simply highly improbable.

And, you are interpreting humanity, as separate from nature. My point from the beginning, has been that humanity is fundamentally not special, it's merely one species, and life is natural, spawned by natural processes. How could something that is natural create something unnatural? Nature created life, so life is natural. Humans are part of life. So anything we create, has been created through natural processes. The sequence of creation, where each creation allows for the creation of a tool for creation more precise than the original. In a way, every computer that exists has been created naturally by the universe.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

And we have good reason to believe that such a thing can develop naturally, without the requirement of intelligence intervention.

At least you have faith, I’ll give you that.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

And, a fully functioning computer will not arrive from purely natural processes? What is a brain, if not a natural computer?

That's my point.

And we have good reason to believe that such a thing can develop naturally, without the requirement of intelligence intervention.

Oh really? Scientists have been unable to recreate abiogenesis, and have no good idea how it occurred. DNA is far more complex than any computer.

And you dismissing a computer, assuming what one traditionally thinks of when considering a computer, as impossible without intelligence behind it is baseless. There is no reason why such a thing could not be created by natural accident, beyond that it is simply highly improbable.

My basis is that computers are a created thing, much like all lifeforms. The idea that anything is possible given time is a fallacy.

And, you are interpreting humanity, as separate from nature.

Humanity has a natural body and a supernatural spirit.

My point from the beginning, has been that humanity is fundamentally not special, it's merely one species, and life is natural, spawned by natural processes. How could something that is natural create something unnatural?

You've got it backward, the supernatural makes the natural to have form, not the other way around.

Nature created life, so life is natural. Humans are part of life. So anything we create, has been created through natural processes. The sequence of creation, where each creation allows for the creation of a tool for creation more precise than the original. In a way, every computer that exists has been created naturally by the universe.

Nature doesn't have a will, it cannot create anything on its own. Nature as we know it follows the laws of physics, like entropy.

I agree that humanity is arrogant because we refuse to acknowledge our creator, God.
We invent myriad theories to explain how we exist, proving our own specialness by the statistical chances being so low that it is a miracle for us to have ever come about naturally. "We don't need a God to make us, we are special because time has made us so."
Yes, that is very arrogant.

Now you don't think humanity is special at all? Really? You think we are the same as any animal? I think you have fooled yourself.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

My basis is that computers are a created thing, much like all lifeforms. The idea that anything is possible given time is a fallacy.

Wait a minute weren’t computers created with enough time, humans too are a part of nature.

I agree that humanity is arrogant because we refuse to acknowledge our creator, God.
We invent myriad theories to explain how we exist, proving our own specialness by the statistical chances being so low that it is a miracle for us to have ever come about naturally. "We don't need a God to make us, we are special because time has made us so."
Yes, that is very arrogant.

lol, everything was made by time and it's really funny.

Now you don't think humanity is special at all? Really? You think we are the same as any animal? I think you have fooled yourself.

The only point I would agree with humans have indeed a extremely special brain structure that makes us special, every life form is in owns way special, so you can argue that in the special department every animal is the same, but the reasons of being special is of course individual.

 

[GlassRose]

That's my point.

Oh really? Scientists have been unable to recreate abiogenesis, and have no good idea how it occurred. DNA is far more complex than any computer.

My basis is that computers are a created thing, much like all lifeforms. The idea that anything is possible given time is a fallacy.

Humanity has a natural body and a supernatural spirit.

You've got it backward, the supernatural makes the natural to have form, not the other way around.

Nature doesn't have a will, it cannot create anything on its own. Nature as we know it follows the laws of physics, like entropy.

I agree that humanity is arrogant because we refuse to acknowledge our creator, God.
We invent myriad theories to explain how we exist, proving our own specialness by the statistical chances being so low that it is a miracle for us to have ever come about naturally. "We don't need a God to make us, we are special because time has made us so."
Yes, that is very arrogant.

Now you don't think humanity is special at all? Really? You think we are the same as any animal? I think you have fooled yourself.

There are actually several good theories on possible ways abiogenesis could have occured, and they have recreated certain pieces of the puzzle. Not the whole thing, yet, but it's only a matter of time

And I don't believe that anything is possible given enough time, I believe that in enough time, everything that is possible will occur.

Humanity has a natural body and supernatural spirit? On what basis? But even if it does, there is still no reason to believe that only humanity has a supernatural spirit, or that humanity's spirit is somehow more special than the spirit of, literally everything else.

We have no reason to believe there is a creator, god, over any other possibility. But, we do know that humanity will make up gods to explain what they don't understand, and to give them comfort against the existential dread of the end, of insignificance, and worldly suffering. Humanity has created and forgotten more gods than we will ever know. What's arrogance is to claim we are superior because a god that we made up decided we were above everything else. What's arrogance is treating humanity as above nature and other life.

Humanity is both special, and it isn't. It's relative. In the context of Earth specifically? Oh sure, it's objective fact that humanity has massive power and potential. But not because of any divinely ordained right, we simply were the first to acquire the select synergistic traits that would allow us to gain enough energy to run more energy-intensive thoughts, and limbs and social patterns that allowed us to utilize that potential better. But ultimately? Humans are still just animals, operating on the same rules. But the universe is vast, even if we only consider this one. Statistically, it would be an utter anomaly if there wasn't other life out there, and that life could rival or surpass humanity. It's also a possibility that humanity is the first life in this universe to reach the heights that we have, there will inevitably be a first somewhere, but the universe is young and vast, and others will follow.
The only thing that raises humans above other animals is our intelligence, and even then, not to an insane degree. Dolphins, octopi, corvids, all very intelligent, but they don't have the same physical structure and environments that will allow them to do advance as we have, without significant developments. But even dogs and cows, can have intellegence comparable to human children.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

What's arrogance is treating humanity as above nature and other life.

BASED admitting humans are inferior. But this doesn't apply to us vampires.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

BASED admitting humans are inferior. But this doesn't apply to us vampires.

Yes, vampires are fictional and therefore worse than inferior.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Yes, vampires are fictional and therefore worse than inferior.

Awe, my feelings are hurt if you call me fictional.

 

[GlassRose]

BASED admitting humans are inferior. But this doesn't apply to us vampires.

I didn't say inferior, just not superior~
The answer for superior is demons, of course.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Awe, my feelings are hurt if you call me fictional.

Your feelings are fictional.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Wait a minute weren’t computers created with enough time, humans too are a part of nature.

lol, everything was made by time and it's really funny.

The only point I would agree with humans have indeed a extremely special brain structure that makes us special, every life form is in owns way special, so you can argue that in the special department every animal is the same, but the reasons of being special is of course individual.

Ah, so time is your "God of the gaps".

There are actually several good theories on possible ways abiogenesis could have occured, and they have recreated certain pieces of the puzzle. Not the whole thing, yet, but it's only a matter of time

Humanity has a natural body and supernatural spirit? On what basis? But even if it does, there is still no reason to believe that only humanity has a supernatural spirit, or that humanity's spirit is somehow more special than the spirit of, literally everything else.

My basis is the Bible. Where humanity is made in the image of God, likewise our souls. The souls of animals return to the earth, unlike ours.
want some evidence? ever heard of out-of-body experiences? Sure, they're anecdotal, but our full scientific understanding is lacking. Of course, natural science cannot explain the supernatural.

We have no reason to believe there is a creator, god, over any other possibility. But, we do know that humanity will make up gods to explain what they don't understand, and to give them comfort against the existential dread of the end, of insignificance, and worldly suffering. Humanity has created and forgotten more gods than we will ever know. What's arrogance is to claim we are superior because a god that we made up decided we were above everything else. What's arrogance is treating humanity as above nature and other life.

Humanity is both special, and it isn't. It's relative. In the context of Earth specifically? Oh sure, it's objective fact that humanity has massive power and potential. But not because of any divinely ordained right, we simply were the first to acquire the select synergistic traits that would allow us to gain enough energy to run more energy-intensive thoughts, and limbs and social patterns that allowed us to utilize that potential better. But ultimately? Humans are still just animals, operating on the same rules. But the universe is vast, even if we only consider this one. Statistically, it would be an utter anomaly if there wasn't other life out there, and that life could rival or surpass humanity. It's also a possibility that humanity is the first life in this universe to reach the heights that we have, there will inevitably be a first somewhere, but the universe is young and vast, and others will follow.
The only thing that raises humans above other animals is our intelligence, and even then, not to an insane degree. Dolphins, octopi, corvids, all very intelligent, but they don't have the same physical structure and environments that will allow them to do advance as we have, without significant developments. But even dogs and cows, can have intellegence comparable to human children.

Everything has a cause.
Even the most popular theory on the origin of the universe has failings that require "dark matter/energy" to explain them.
A matter of time is one thing, but until we have that observed evidence you are waiting for, all you have is a belief/faith.
Yes, Mankind invents countless gods to serve our ideas. But the best explanation for all the evidence we see is that there is a God that exists. A biblical one, to be more specific. I put my faith in the word of God, not the ideas of Man.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Even the most popular theory on the origin of the universe has failings that require "dark matter/energy" to explain them.

Dark matter and energy aren't related to each other. They are called "dark" because we don't know what they are. Dark energy is whatever unknown energy is accelerating the expansion of the universe. Dark matter is matter that is unaccounted for in the mass of the universe. It's dark because we can measure it's gravitational effects on other objects, but we can't observe it. It's just extra mass.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Dark matter and energy aren't related to each other. They are called "dark" because we don't know what they are. Dark energy is whatever unknown energy is accelerating the expansion of the universe. Dark matter is matter that is unaccounted for in the mass of the universe. It's dark because we can measure it's gravitational effects on other objects, but we can't observe it. It's just extra mass.

And they both are an overwhelming amount of what makes up the universe, hypothetically.
It is astounding how little we know about our own existence yet claim to have the scientific knowledge to explain it.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

And they both are an overwhelming amount of what makes up the universe, hypothetically.
It is astounding how little we know about our own existence yet claim to have the scientific knowledge to explain it.

It's not that astounding. It's a classical paradox of how a human mind can understand a human brain. If you don't know you are in a box, you can't view the box from outside. Rather not about knowing you are in a box, even if you know you are in a box, you are still in a box.

 

[GlassRose]

Ah, so time is your "God of the gaps".



My basis is the Bible. Where humanity is made in the image of God, likewise our souls. The souls of animals return to the earth, unlike ours.
want some evidence? ever heard of out-of-body experiences? Sure, they're anecdotal, but our full scientific understanding is lacking. Of course, natural science cannot explain the supernatural.

Everything has a cause.
Even the most popular theory on the origin of the universe has failings that require "dark matter/energy" to explain them.
A matter of time is one thing, but until we have that observed evidence you are waiting for, all you have is a belief/faith.
Yes, Mankind invents countless gods to serve our ideas. But the best explanation for all the evidence we see is that there is a God that exists. A biblical one, to be more specific. I put my faith in the word of God, not the ideas of Man.

I see not a word of my has reached you, trapped in the throws blind faith. The highest 'virtue' of the most manipulative and damaging religion in history, to not think for yourself.

Out of body experiences can be explained as the mind missing information, and making something up to fill in the gaps, and retroactively correcting it to hold together it's sense of reality. Or if we assume the supernatural, sure, souls. But the existence of a god is not necessary for the existence of a soul. But you claim things about the soul of man and of animal, with no basis in observable reality, but rather, some old book written by those with an outdated understanding of reality. If you want to use the Bible as evidence, you first have to prove it's a credible source.

And no, time is not my 'god of the gaps', what the hell do you even mean by that?