About Systems......

[Dia779]

SH newbie here,

I wonder, maybe its just me.....but has anyone ever been curious if whatever higher powers that usually provides the famous System thing made a mistake/chose the wrong individual?

As in they don't listen/follow missions/somehow disable the System features or the System abandoned them out of fear etc.

Personally in my opinion, i've always been kind of sus about Systems, seems a wee bit too convenient sometimes. At the very least make it interesting dang it! have some penalties to balance or whatever to balance things out! make certain stuff be either a one time use/permanent stat loss so it would have more meaning!

 

[sanitylimited]

normally its ether use they system or die as fodder. their is nothing to gain from not using the system.

their are some stories where the system turns on the user though generally the story sucks.

balance isnt life. life will never be fair.

 

[Iamnotabot]

As the saying goes everything goes as planed by the author god.

Also welcome to SH

 

[Bobple]

I've read a few stories where a system has gone to the incorrect individual.

As in they don't listen/follow missions/somehow disable the System features or the System abandoned them out of fear etc.

There are also a few stories of those these, well mostly the former. Plenty of stories have the mc ignore or fight against the system. The system abandoning the user happens occasionally, but is still quite rare.

 

[NotaNuffian]

SH newbie here,

I wonder, maybe its just me.....but has anyone ever been curious if whatever higher powers that usually provides the famous System thing made a mistake/chose the wrong individual?

As in they don't listen/follow missions/somehow disable the System features or the System abandoned them out of fear etc.

Personally in my opinion, i've always been kind of sus about Systems, seems a wee bit too convenient sometimes. At the very least make it interesting dang it! have some penalties to balance or whatever to balance things out! make certain stuff be either a one time use/permanent stat loss so it would have more meaning!

The higher being gave you something to boost your life.

As spoken by tons of chinese MCs (the recent one being 霸武), there is literally no current demerit in using the system, so what if it is a trap slowly ensnaring? Gain that power first and then try to kill the higher being later if it is malicious. The current "me" is nothing more than a bug to the system.

Of course, MCs such as from World's Best Martial Artist has tried to purge the system's influence at the get go, the example is when MC burnt himself alive with Blood Fire to purge all the added stats from the system and slowly use external trusted source to rebuild his body. This is to make sure that the system is unable to take over his body on the get go.

 

[Jerynboe]

In my world, partly as a veil over the fact that I myself am not an airtight designer, have my system created by an outer god that is beta testing it and refining it for sale to a market of divine avatars and reincarnations of other deities. Successful testers that provide good data are appointed as GMs to provide more data in an infinitely recurring afterlife of game development.
The main antagonist got access to the system some time after the MC explicitly because the game masters noted that MC was on a trajectory to become god king of everything ever (in his local multiverse at least) and more importantly he wasn’t looking likely to provide data other than “Yep. He definitely likes sleeping with his girlfriend.” And “generally disapproves of genocide and slavery, and is capable of reducing such things through his own actions.” Main antagonist is a dragon archmage who noticed the MC doing… something… and started studying him and kinda started hacking into the system until he was integrated in as a second player. Time to test PVP.

 

[J_Chemist]

Solo Leveling is a sort of "prime example" of what Nota mentioned.

The higher being gave you something to boost your life.

As spoken by tons of chinese MCs (the recent one being 霸武), there is literally no current demerit in using the system, so what if it is a trap slowly ensnaring? Gain that power first and then try to kill the higher being later if it is malicious. The current "me" is nothing more than a bug to the system.

The "System" guides the MC in order to develop him into a proper vessel but the MC whips around and says "nah". Plot ensues.

While there could be a character who has no idea where they are, what they're doing, or what happened to them (likely due to no intervention from a higher being or a lack of explanation by anyone or anything), you won't find someone who'll panic when guided by a System in a foreign land/world. Especially if it's the one thing guaranteed to give them an edge in survival.

Unless they've got some kind of mental illness or whatever, but that's just an author trying to force some bullshit at that point and I'd drop the book by the end of the first chapter. The only legitimate reason to drop the System would be if it's actively out to get you like some abusive relationship. Otherwise, it's just a set of menus and numbers.

If it's not, then by the time the System tries to flip on the character, they're likely big boy/big girl enough to deal with it.

 

[Dia779]

As the saying goes everything goes as planed by the author god.

Also welcome to SH

Then that would mean my plan is to make their plan go wrong by making them thinking they planned it right but not really since the person they chose would derail their plan/take over etc.

......totally did not just confuse my self there for a second.

And hi there.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

In my stories, position of not truly supernatural beings is always lower than those that are supernatural, so usually it is either given, heh, systematically, e.g affecting everything on a fundamental level or, if it is done on the scale of one individual or such, it is done with the same feeling of tightening one specific screw.
So, no matter of how much of a Sun Wukong you become, all your efforts end up playing in the palm of Buddha's palm and all trickery from your point of view is you acting as you always had to and you may not even realise it because the supernatural beings view this world in a way that you can't even imagine.
Though, of course, I do reflect it in the narrative.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Solo Leveling is a sort of "prime example" of what Nota mentioned.

The "System" guides the MC in order to develop him into a proper vessel but the MC whips around and says "nah". Plot ensues.

While there could be a character who has no idea where they are, what they're doing, or what happened to them (likely due to no intervention from a higher being or a lack of explanation by anyone or anything), you won't find someone who'll panic when guided by a System in a foreign land/world. Especially if it's the one thing guaranteed to give them an edge in survival.

Unless they've got some kind of mental illness or whatever, but that's just an author trying to force some bullshit at that point and I'd drop the book by the end of the first chapter. The only legitimate reason to drop the System would be if it's actively out to get you like some abusive relationship. Otherwise, it's just a set of menus and numbers.

If it's not, then by the time the System tries to flip on the character, they're likely big boy/big girl enough to deal with it.

I forgot Solo Leveling.

The trauma of the shit ending.

 

[Dia779]

Solo Leveling is a sort of "prime example" of what Nota mentioned.

The "System" guides the MC in order to develop him into a proper vessel but the MC whips around and says "nah". Plot ensues.

While there could be a character who has no idea where they are, what they're doing, or what happened to them (likely due to no intervention from a higher being or a lack of explanation by anyone or anything), you won't find someone who'll panic when guided by a System in a foreign land/world. Especially if it's the one thing guaranteed to give them an edge in survival.

Unless they've got some kind of mental illness or whatever, but that's just an author trying to force some bullshit at that point and I'd drop the book by the end of the first chapter. The only legitimate reason to drop the System would be if it's actively out to get you like some abusive relationship. Otherwise, it's just a set of menus and numbers.

If it's not, then by the time the System tries to flip on the character, they're likely big boy/big girl enough to deal with it.

yeah, like that!

Lets say, the guy they chose is based on their own complex algorithm/whatever mumbo jumbo foresight they isn't the kind of person they actually want n realize it too late. Like, what if he has a twisted split personality that began to distort the system, but it builds up slowly until somth happened that lets that twisted persona take over n the System ended up getting disabled.

The more his other personality takes over the more distorted the System gets to the point of resorting to abandon him out of fear of being wiped from the effects of that twisted personality. And the higher powers also started panicking since they didnt foresee it or some other beings interfere but even the latters would get derailed etc.

Damn it.......im having another inspiration again......

normally its ether use they system or die as fodder. their is nothing to gain from not using the system.

their are some stories where the system turns on the user though generally the story sucks.

balance isnt life. life will never be fair.

yeah, ive seen several that could have done it. But then it flops, big time.......as in something else ends up replacing the system, as in "another thing that works like the System but its not a System" nonsense.

 

[Tsuru]

@Deady779
You sure aren't someone that read RAW chinese WNs, that is for sure

Let me tell a few example of stories that already did (and surexploited to death bc of competition)

1) Betrayal from system
Justice system series where MC later on destroyed / absorbed it. Because from what is telling a helper : the system became sentient, stole part of the rewards (hence why lately despite harsh missions the rewards grow proportionally less) and even had goal to control him when stronger

2) Wrong sending
Didn't read them but to name them :
2.1) women clothing system = MC get stronger if he wear them but he is male coughtrapcough
2.2) justice system to a bad guy
2.3) evil system to a MC, but somehow every evilness he does, it turn out they are good actions (like killing a popular good merchand turns out to be a slave trader)
2.4) mage system to someone that train muscles
etc etc
2.5) and finally lately there is the popular plot of "i am already at maximum power level in this world, and only now you appear/activate!?"
(example, most famous arch mage MC, first reward is fireball spell, and tasked to go to magic school entrance exam)

3) Enslaved system
MC is already op, so when it appear, directly control it
or system beg MC to do tasks

4) Royalroad series, system is a cunning trap to humanity
where the system activate for all humans but in fact its a product from a "another dimension race alien"
Cliche story of rebirth to the past after humanity lost / last team of strong people and MC sent to the past by teammate
And the system, despite being op and allowing to buy anything with "coins"
is sweet slow poison
Because it destroy the currency system of the planet used on (one past planet is mentioned as an example explanation)
as compared to "system coin currency" you can get ANYTHING, guns, drugs, tv, food
AND
best way to get COINS is by killing monsters BUT ALSO KILLING OTHER HUMANS

5) System is a product of gods

6) System is a product from future self

7) System is a product of "omnipotent watchers" that judge if a race is worthy to stay alive (and MC being the test subject analyzed by his actions)

8) Disease (schyzophrenia)
A royalroad trolling series (very short series). MC is a barista (coffee maker).
The system is an illusion hallucination from MC
The author basically make MC faint (again) and MC mention the system, that disappeared, doctor tell him that its just hallucination, and that any infos of how a good coffee is made is probably because he saw the info somewhere but ignored/forgot. Same as the lemon cake he did.
ps : yes it is truly hallucination and not doctor being wrong
ps ps : the system first appeared after the MC hit his head / fainted / awakened

9) Self made system
machine? spirit spell ? magic contruction/spell ?
net magic lines over the world ?
chip in brain?
AI that follow him?
summon a devil that will create a system status window ?

9.5) Fake system
A current ongoing series where the cultivator MC succeed to self hypnotize himself of the existence of the system. ----------------Because as you know it, often MCs in general mention the positive points of seeing numerical numbers OR/AND having proof that skills get better after training compared to not knowing, hence giving motivation to continue unlike other trainees.
--------So this MC created this (fake) system all to become motivated. Seeing +1+1+1+1xp by training is enjoyable, and the "rewards" are simply his own body getting stronger by training.

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[NotaNuffian]

@Deady779
You sure aren't someone that read RAW chinese WNs, that is for sure

Let me tell a few example of stories that already did (and surexploited to death bc of competition)

1) Betrayal from system
Justice system series where MC later on destroyed / absorbed it. Because from what is telling a helper : the system became sentient, stole part of the rewards (hence why lately despite harsh missions the rewards grow proportionally less) and even had goal to control him when stronger

2) Wrong sending
Didn't read them but to name them :
2.1) women clothing system = MC get stronger if he wear them but he is male coughtrapcough
2.2) justice system to a bad guy
2.3) evil system to a MC, but somehow every evilness he does, it turn out they are good actions (like killing a popular good merchand turns out to be a slave trader)
2.4) mage system to someone that train muscles
etc etc
2.5) and finally lately there is the popular plot of "i am already at maximum power level in this world, and only now you appear/activate!?"
(example, most famous arch mage MC, first reward is fireball spell, and tasked to go to magic school entrance exam)

3) Enslaved system
MC is already op, so when it appear, directly control it
or system beg MC to do tasks

4) Royalroad series, system is a cunning trap to humanity
where the system activate for all humans but in fact its a product from a "another dimension race alien"
Cliche story of rebirth to the past after humanity lost / last team of strong people and MC sent to the past by teammate
And the system, despite being op and allowing to buy anything with "coins"
is sweet slow poison
Because it destroy the currency system of the planet used on (one past planet is mentioned as an example explanation)
as compared to "system coin currency" you can get ANYTHING, guns, drugs, tv, food
AND
best way to get COINS is by killing monsters BUT ALSO KILLING OTHER HUMANS

5) System is a product of gods

6) System is a product from future self

7) System is a product of "omnipotent watchers" that judge if a race is worthy to stay alive (and MC being the test subject analyzed by his actions)

8) Disease (schyzophrenia)
A royalroad trolling series (very short series). MC is a barista (coffee maker).
The system is an illusion hallucination from MC
The author basically make MC faint (again) and MC mention the system, that disappeared, doctor tell him that its just hallucination, and that any infos of how a good coffee is made is probably because he saw the info somewhere but ignored/forgot. Same as the lemon cake he did.
ps : yes it is truly hallucination and not doctor being wrong
ps ps : the system first appeared after the MC hit his head / fainted / awakened

9) Self made system
machine? spirit spell ? magic contruction/spell ?
net magic lines over the world ?
chip in brain?
AI that follow him?
summon a devil that will create a system status window ?

9.5) Fake system
A current ongoing series where the cultivator MC succeed to self hypnotize himself of the existence of the system. ----------------Because as you know it, often MCs in general mention the positive points of seeing numerical numbers OR/AND having proof that skills get better after training compared to not knowing, hence giving motivation to continue unlike other trainees.
--------So this MC created this (fake) system all to become motivated. Seeing +1+1+1+1xp by training is enjoyable, and the "rewards" are simply his own body getting stronger by training.

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@Iamnotabot @sanitylimited @Bobple @NotaNuffian @Jerynboe @J_Chemist

I hate using a com to view your post.

I can see your signature that way.

 

[Tsuru]

I hate using a com to view your post.

I can see your signature that way.

?
You don't like futanari?

 

[NotaNuffian]

?
You don't like futanari?

No.

No offense.

No.

Wonder what happened to me though, in the past I quite enjoy futa doujins.

 

[Kamelingil]

SH newbie here,

I wonder, maybe its just me.....but has anyone ever been curious if whatever higher powers that usually provides the famous System thing made a mistake/chose the wrong individual?

As in they don't listen/follow missions/somehow disable the System features or the System abandoned them out of fear etc.

Personally in my opinion, i've always been kind of sus about Systems, seems a wee bit too convenient sometimes. At the very least make it interesting dang it! have some penalties to balance or whatever to balance things out! make certain stuff be either a one time use/permanent stat loss so it would have more meaning!

Hmm the system huh... My two Protagonists in the same Novel tested that and barely stated their abilities and the system broke, it's still such a mystery

 

[Tsuru]

No.

No offense.

No.

Wonder what happened to me though, in the past I quite enjoy futa doujins.

Oh?
Now that is weird. I would understand if "no" simply but "i enjoyed in the past" ?
Like a great someone once said : Everything happens for a reason

Did something happen or the atmosphere at a certain time cause this ?
Only by self analyzing you will find the answer.

For me, i like "entertainment (singer)" WNs but stopped liking.
Because latest series i read was quite .... "dark vibe" with all the cyber bullying that in my oppinion was too much and too long to solve by MC.
And the fact there was lot of new series, with explosion of new ideas thx to corona period.
and well, the fact "entertainment" plot entered the rotten period and no good author with a good series for it.


OR
simply because of age
Just like people stop liking animes despite ultra good ones appearing

ps : Btw for further testing, you could try this : https://3hentai.net/d/643185
High quality product that was released recently

 

[NotaNuffian]

Oh?
Now that is weird. I would understand if "no" simply but "i enjoyed in the past" ?
Like a great someone once said : Everything happens for a reason

Did something happen or the atmosphere at a certain time cause this ?
Only by self analyzing you will find the answer.

For me, i like "entertainment (singer)" WNs but stopped liking.
Because latest series i read was quite .... "dark vibe" with all the cyber bullying that in my oppinion was too much and too long to solve by MC.
And the fact there was lot of new series, with explosion of new ideas thx to corona period.
and well, the fact "entertainment" plot entered the rotten period and no good author with a good series for it.


OR
simply because of age
Just like people stop liking animes despite ultra good ones appearing

ps : Btw for further testing, you could try this : https://3hentai.net/d/643185
High quality product that was released recently

Ok never mind.

I think it is GL that ruined it for me.

Weird. Maybe too much of it had caused me to not like it.

 

[Dia779]

@Deady779
You sure aren't someone that read RAW chinese WNs, that is for sure

Let me tell a few example of stories that already did (and surexploited to death bc of competition)

1) Betrayal from system
Justice system series where MC later on destroyed / absorbed it. Because from what is telling a helper : the system became sentient, stole part of the rewards (hence why lately despite harsh missions the rewards grow proportionally less) and even had goal to control him when stronger

2) Wrong sending
Didn't read them but to name them :
2.1) women clothing system = MC get stronger if he wear them but he is male coughtrapcough
2.2) justice system to a bad guy
2.3) evil system to a MC, but somehow every evilness he does, it turn out they are good actions (like killing a popular good merchand turns out to be a slave trader)
2.4) mage system to someone that train muscles
etc etc
2.5) and finally lately there is the popular plot of "i am already at maximum power level in this world, and only now you appear/activate!?"
(example, most famous arch mage MC, first reward is fireball spell, and tasked to go to magic school entrance exam)

3) Enslaved system
MC is already op, so when it appear, directly control it
or system beg MC to do tasks

4) Royalroad series, system is a cunning trap to humanity
where the system activate for all humans but in fact its a product from a "another dimension race alien"
Cliche story of rebirth to the past after humanity lost / last team of strong people and MC sent to the past by teammate
And the system, despite being op and allowing to buy anything with "coins"
is sweet slow poison
Because it destroy the currency system of the planet used on (one past planet is mentioned as an example explanation)
as compared to "system coin currency" you can get ANYTHING, guns, drugs, tv, food
AND
best way to get COINS is by killing monsters BUT ALSO KILLING OTHER HUMANS

5) System is a product of gods

6) System is a product from future self

7) System is a product of "omnipotent watchers" that judge if a race is worthy to stay alive (and MC being the test subject analyzed by his actions)

8) Disease (schyzophrenia)
A royalroad trolling series (very short series). MC is a barista (coffee maker).
The system is an illusion hallucination from MC
The author basically make MC faint (again) and MC mention the system, that disappeared, doctor tell him that its just hallucination, and that any infos of how a good coffee is made is probably because he saw the info somewhere but ignored/forgot. Same as the lemon cake he did.
ps : yes it is truly hallucination and not doctor being wrong
ps ps : the system first appeared after the MC hit his head / fainted / awakened

9) Self made system
machine? spirit spell ? magic contruction/spell ?
net magic lines over the world ?
chip in brain?
AI that follow him?
summon a devil that will create a system status window ?

9.5) Fake system
A current ongoing series where the cultivator MC succeed to self hypnotize himself of the existence of the system. ----------------Because as you know it, often MCs in general mention the positive points of seeing numerical numbers OR/AND having proof that skills get better after training compared to not knowing, hence giving motivation to continue unlike other trainees.
--------So this MC created this (fake) system all to become motivated. Seeing +1+1+1+1xp by training is enjoyable, and the "rewards" are simply his own body getting stronger by training.

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@Iamnotabot @sanitylimited @Bobple @NotaNuffian @Jerynboe @J_Chemist

Holy cow, now im regretting not continuing my chinese language class

Thanks Very much for the Infos!

Im getting more inspirations than i thought i would get lol.

Also, i totally did not expect the self hypnosis thing tbh

 

[Tsuru]

Ok never mind.

I think it is GL that ruined it for me.

Weird. Maybe too much of it had caused me to not like it.

Same

Overdose of GL
or maybe bad ones

Or "too focused on GL" stories
kinda like woke/powerful-FMC movies that focus on wrong thing

Futa all the way now.
---------
ps : happy you are cured (?)

Holy cow, now im regretting not continuing my chinese language class

Thanks Very much for the Infos!

Im getting more inspirations than i thought i would get lol.

Also, i totally did not expect the self hypnosis thing tbh

Hahaha, true ^^
I also didn't expect the self hypnosis idea when i read the summary

I was like "o_O The heck !?"
but right after "Wait ! It looks quite a good idea"
(didnt read it though)

PS : no need to know chinese language
because in 2020, BY COINCIDENCE yes COINCIDENCE, google translate had big jump in quality of translation for chinese,
EVEN THOUGH BY COINCIDENCE jp didn't get same treatment.
coughBRIBEcoughTANKMANbeforeCOUGH

PS PS : Pre-2020 its headache inducing, but after 2020, sometimes its hard to tell it's MTL but look HUMAN translation. Once i had a chapter beside 2typos truly looked human. Though it can still be slightly headache causing. And it also depends on the theme/writing quality/raw website hosting the series/if the names of characters are hard to tell genders for google.

PS PS PS : Np + Ty for your great reaction ^^ i enjoyed it
Its better than simply "Like" clicking.