Would you become a Superhero?

[ArrogantYoungMaster]

Only if there are many targets this daoist can face slap.

 

[Jet]

I never understood the concept. Why would you wish to fight crime if you got superpowers? Honestly, I'm pretty certain that it would never even occur to me, hadn't I lived in a world filled with that kind of strange speculative media. Why not use powers for your own benefit? And even if you do use them for the sake of others, why fight crime specifically? Whom do you help by fighting some bank robbers? The bank? What if the bank profits from these robbers?lol. Also, the bank is more evil either way. And if you fight the banking system, what else would you propose, a Jan Fresco's world? I spy Infamous vibes already. How do you know what is right and what is not, how do you know that your version isn't flawed? And even if you are certain that it is not, how do you persuade the majority? Would you be able to make it universally legitimate when nothing ever is, too? I just don't understand any of this. They fight for their ego, I presume. But the world needs crime to begin with.

Anyway, why would you willingly put on a freaky costume, why fight people you do not know and for whose exact benefit? If you want to help people, you should help mankind as a whole. Advance science, help with space exploration, maybe delve into politics if you feel mad enough and so on. But a comic superhero is something very peculiar and strange.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

How do you know what is right and what is not, how do you know that your version isn't flawed? And even if you are certain that it is not, how do you persuade the majority? Would you be able to make it universally legitimate when nothing ever is, too? I just don't understand any of this. They fight for their ego, I presume.

Ez, just follow the Bible. It has perfect laws and morals. On top of that, it's the inspired word of God. You can't get any better than that. And when you fight for the bible you set aside your own pride in order to follow what is good and true

But the world needs crime to begin with.

What?

 

[Cipiteca396]

Ez, just follow the Bible. It has perfect laws and morals. On top of that, it's the inspired word of God. You can't get any better than that. And when you fight for the bible you set aside your own pride in order to follow what is good and true

That's where mass murderers and serial killers come from.

 

[Jet]

Ez, just follow the Bible. It has perfect laws and morals. On top of that, it's the inspired word of God. You can't get any better than that. And when you fight for the bible you set aside your own pride in order to follow what is good and true


What?

huh? I presume that's a joke. I'm pretty certain that it's the men who wrote that book. And even if someone almighty did arrive to help, to consider that they always know best or got plain understood is weird. There is never anything absolute, there are always loopholes. That's what Nostradamus exploited so. You might as well try convincing people to follow your own book. That's what you'd probably end up doing after decades of having power anyway...

A country without crime is a totalitarian country. They are controlled by authoritarian forces and enforce their own law. They are the ones who perpetuate crime, even if it's not crime according to what they say. That's not how it works. You devise a law, someone would try to break it. There are endless variables, too. So even something obvious would get interpreted differently or change its meaning entirely, given certain circumstances. Anyway, we deviated from the superheros concept here.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

huh? I presume that's a joke. I'm pretty certain that it's the men who wrote that book. And even if someone almighty did arrive to help, to consider that they know best is weird. There is never anything absolute, there are always loopholes. That's what Nostradamus exploited so. You might as well try convincing people to follow your own book. That's what you'd probably end up doing after decades of having power anyway...

A country without crime is a totalitarian country. They are controlled by authoritarian forces and enforce their own law. They are the ones who perpetuate crime, even if it's not crime according to what they say. That's not how it works. You devise a law, someone would try to break it. There are endless variables, too. So even something obvious would get interpreted differently or change its meaning entirely, given certain circumstances. Anyway, we deviated from the superheros concept here.

Imagine thinking the guy that says the bible has perfect morals is the one with the hot take when your take is:

But the world needs crime to begin with.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

That's where mass murderers and serial killers come from.

Where did you get that idea?

huh? I presume that's a joke. I'm pretty certain that it's the men who wrote that book. And even if someone almighty did arrive to help, to consider that they always know best is weird. There is never anything absolute, there are always loopholes. That's what Nostradamus exploited so. You might as well try convincing people to follow your own book. That's what you'd probably end up doing after decades of having power anyway...

Superheros are supposed to represent morals. Without that, they are not heros.

Where did you get the idea that there are no absolutes?
Without absolutes, there is no reason to be 'good'.

A country without crime is a totalitarian country. They are controlled by authoritarian forces and enforce their own law. They are the ones who perpetuate crime, even if it's not crime according to what they say. That's not how it works. You devise a law, someone would try to break it. There are endless variables, too. So even something obvious would get interpreted differently or change its meaning entirely, given certain circumstances. Anyway, we deviated from the superheros concept here.

Have you ever heard of the saying 'Crime causes poverty'?
One would fight crime in order to help others. However, if you do not love others then I could see the selfish approach.

 

[Jet]

I don't understand your point. Are you searching for something absolute? Only siths deal in absolutes (c). But seriously there were cases when we actually managed to completely wipe out vermin at some remote islands, only to get a global catastrophe due to that. Everything is interconnected, everything is in balance. A man can't know it all. I'm not saying that crime is good. But I also don't think that legislators are all that amazing. I don't know either of the parties or their agendas. Why would I get involved? Any country ends up exploiting its people to boot. Sure, we need them, but not to such a degree. You don't have to advocate for the governments if you get superpowers. You'll end up getting used. And you'd become the government yourself, you'd just end up more evil than those you wanted to fight against. Ainz wanted to build a utopia as well lol.

 

[Sola-sama]

Ez, just follow the Bible. It has perfect laws and morals. On top of that, it's the inspired word of God. You can't get any better than that. And when you fight for the bible you set aside your own pride in order to follow what is good and true

Yeah, but which bible? I mean, our civilization is filled with conflict over religion, each thinking they were right, right?

Anyway, why would you willingly put on a freaky costume, why fight people you do not know and for whose exact benefit? If you want to help people, you should help mankind as a whole. Advance science, help with space exploration, maybe delve into politics if you feel mad enough and so on. But a comic superhero is something very peculiar and strange.

Rather than following the bible, I'd prefer his argument better (Don't be mistaken, I'm personally a very religious person). The method to help 'human' as a race is to eliminate the major, crippling problem it has, not by fighting petty crimes.

World hunger? The cause is not the lack of food production, but logistic. In certain part of the world, food are being wasted, but in the region lacking such, those food can't reach to those who need them.
Global warming? There's a lot of debate regarding who and what causes this, so I won't delve in too deep.
Current economic problems where housing prices are ridiculous?
etc, etc.

I assume 'advanced science' isn't an all-cure elixir to those problems, but it certainly would help. Mass transit technology would solve logistical problem, atmospheric filters would succ the bad particles in the atmosphere and cleans the air, space exploration would solve housing price and resources issue (since there's an infinite amount of resources in space).

If I wanted to be a superhero, the power I wanted to have is not super strength nor other unique abilities. It would simply be longevity/immortality. Age begets wisdom, and if those accumulated wisdom is used to help the human race as a whole, then that person can be considered superhero. The unity of which the human race possessed is already a superpower, you only need someone to lead them.

Imagine if Albert Einstein, James Robert Oppenheimer, or Alexander Graham Bell is immortal. They'd be superheroes. At least to me.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

Ainz wanted to build an utopia as well lol.

Don't mention that terribly written character.

 

[Jet]

World hunger? The cause is not the lack of food production, but logistic. In certain part of the world, food are being wasted, but in the region lacking such, those food can't reach to those who need them.
Global warming? There's a lot of debate regarding who and what causes this, so I won't delve in too deep.
Current economic problems where housing prices are ridiculous?
etc, etc.

Now that makes perfect sense.

But it's funny that if we include unimaginable superpowers, you might go overboard. Like help mankind spread over the entire universe and we'd likely just end up annihilating it all. The vermin problem persists. Personally, I'd get bored fast if I lived too long and learnt too much. That's what happened to Sidis.

 

[Sola-sama]

Now that makes perfect sense.

But it's funny that if we include unimaginable superpowers, you might go overboard. Like help mankind spread over the entire universe and we'd likely just end up annihilating it all. The vermin problem persists. Personally, I'd get bored fast if I lived too long and learnt too much. That's what happened to Sidis.

True. The law of thermodynamics apply to the human race's population as well.

Keep in mind that my argument is produced by a man whose intellect is inferior to Albert Einstein. Those brilliant people might be able to produce better solution to the vermin problem (as in human as a vermin in the wider galaxy, like a species of Freshwater Poison Perch who destroy the ecosystem with their high appetite and sexual drive).

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

I don't understand your point. Are you searching for something absolute? Only siths deal in absolutes (c).

There are absolutes. Without absolute good, there is only evil. There is no reason to pursue good. Selfishness rules.

The existence of selflessness and love prove that there is good.

But seriously there were cases when we actually managed to completely wipe out vermin at some remote islands, only to get a global catastrophe due to that. Everything is interconnected, everything is in balance.

I'm interested in what events you are talking about. Could you be more specific?

A man can't know it all.

Thats why we use the Bible, because it's not from man.

Yeah, but which bible? I mean, our civilization is filled with conflict over religion, each thinking they were right, right?

The bible translations that are faithful to the original texts. Not the ones that are twisted to cult uses.

No worldly problems like you mentioned can be solved as long as people are continuing to sin selfishly. The solution is actually outside of Mankind.

I'm not saying that crime is good. But I also don't think that legislators are all that amazing. I don't know either of the parties or their agendas. Why would I get involved? Any country ends up exploiting its people to boot. Sure, we need them, but not to such a degree. You don't have to advocate for the governments if you get superpowers. You'll end up getting used. And you'd become the government yourself, you'd just end up more evil than those you wanted to fight against. Ainz wanted to build a utopia as well lol.

Thats why we follow God's word, not Man's word. Of course, any institution we make will be flawed. But if we strive our best to follow God's word it will get the best outcome.

 

[Cipiteca396]

Where did you get that idea?

Off topic, but the short answer is 'World Events/History'. So many people have been murdered because of a couple stupid books... I don't think there's no value in the Bible or its alternatives, but they're nowhere close to being perfect. And for the price they exact, it's not worth it.

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Crime causes poverty?

This is dumb. There are a couple 'crimes' that cause poverty, but they technically aren't illegal. Hording, waste, so on. Realistically, most crimes are either caused by poverty or unrelated.

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since there's an infinite amount of resources in space

Those resources are infinitely far away from us though. I feel like crossing distances and diffusion of resources are far bigger problems than 'the vermin problem'.

I do agree though. Progressing humanity as a whole is more important than dealing with petty criminals. A superhero would be wasted on fighting crime. But you can't deny the... Catharsis. Seeing justice done when it normally would be impossible is a common fantasy. Helping people is always good, even if it's not the absolute ideal.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

There are absolutes. Without absolute good, there is only evil. There is no reason to pursue good. Selfishness rules.

The existence of selflessness and love prove that there is good.

I'm interested in what events you are talking about. Could you be more specific?

Thats why we use the Bible, because it's not from man.


The bible translations that are faithful to the original texts. Not the ones that are twisted to cult uses.

No worldly problems like you mentioned can be solved as long as people are continuing to sin selfishly. The solution is actually outside of Mankind.

Thats why we follow God's word, not Man's word. Of course, any institution we make will be flawed. But if we strive our best to follow God's word it will get the best outcome.

Prince_ "try not to derail threads with proselytizing" Azmiran_Myrian.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Prince_ "try not to derail threads with proselytizing" Azmiran_Myrian.

Those weren't my exact words.

 

[Cipiteca396]

There are absolutes. Without absolute good, there is only evil. There is no reason to pursue good. Selfishness rules.

The existence of selflessness and love prove that there is good.

You're assuming that absolute 'evil' exists, though. There is no reason to be selfish. Whether you care for yourself or others proves nothing except that you care. Others may not. Do not.

The bible translations that are faithful to the original texts. Not the ones that are twisted to cult uses.

I didn't realize you were Jewish?

 

[Deleted member 113259]

You're assuming that absolute 'evil' exists, though. There is no reason to be selfish. Whether you care for yourself or others proves nothing except that you care. Others may not. Do not.

Absolute evil does exist. His name is Satan.

I didn't realize you were Jewish?

He's not. New Testament also counts as original text.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Off topic, but the short answer is 'World Events/History'. So many people have been murdered because of a couple stupid books... I don't think there's no value in the Bible or its alternatives, but they're nowhere close to being perfect. And for the price they exact, it's not worth it.

Hmm, what you talk about is tiny in comparison to many conflicts throughout history. It's not even close.

This is dumb. There are a couple 'crimes' that cause poverty, but they technically aren't illegal. Hording, waste, so on. Realistically, most crimes are either caused by poverty or unrelated.

Tell that to all the communities hit by certain kind of riots. Mass theft, murder, gangs, ... it creates poverty. And destroys communities so that wealth cannot build up.

Man's ideologies have cause far more suffering and harm than whatever you claim the Bible instigated.

In reality, all problems start in the heart. And Man's heart is not good. That is why we give up our ways to follow God's ways.

 

[Sola-sama]

The bible translations that are faithful to the original texts. Not the ones that are twisted to cult uses.

Yeah, that's the point. Which one was it? I'm not asking you to name a specific one, but what I'm trying to say is, everyone has their own bias. The 'real' bible which are faithful translation of the word of God, according to various religions, would be different. There's also the Kama Sutra, which at this point, are believed as bible by some people (I have no source on this, so take it with a grain of cum).

Again, I'm not saying religion is wrong. I myself am an extremely religious person. I trust in my God's words and faithfully followed the teachings of my religion, but even then, I can't say all of my peers doing the same. One's perspective is heavily influenced by their life experience. With the world is now connected with global information network, it has contaminated the young uns' life experiences. 'Don't be mean to fellow human' written in the bibles could be misinterpret by their twisted perception. What if the young uns' didn't see a struggling man, e.g. a hobo, as a fellow human?

In terms of technicality, they are still faithfully following the teachings of the bible. After all, they don't see the struggling man as a 'fellow human'. If this conflict is elevated on higher level, then it is what it is right now.

Now then, you might want to argue that there's no bible that teaches one to be racist and whatnot.

You're absolutely correct. It is not the bible that teaches it, but some specific people who twisted the teachings for their benefit. To me, bible, and by extension, religions, are similar to 'User Manual' that you get when purchasing furniture in IKEA. However, instead of instructing you how to assemble a furniture, religion helps you become a better person. I'm pretty sure that all religion are inherently good.

Edit: Not all religion are inherently good, just some of them. I just remembered that there are a lot of cults in Korea and in the US, there's Scientology. I have no comment on them since I lacked the knowledge regarding those.

Those resources are infinitely far away from us though. I feel like crossing distances and diffusion of resources are far bigger problems than 'the vermin problem'.

Yeah, that's the point. It's no longer about whether or not those resources exist, but how to extract them.

I do agree though. Progressing humanity as a whole is more important than dealing with petty criminals. A superhero would be wasted on fighting crime. But you can't deny the... Catharsis. Seeing justice done when it normally would be impossible is a common fantasy. Helping people is always good, even if it's not the absolute ideal.

Completely agree. There are just some situation that would be better if, say, superheroes fight criminals instead of mere mortals.