Which forum is the best?

[Deleted member 113259]

@forli
So you dislike SHF.
May I ask why you are spending your time here, instead of all the other forums you enjoy more?

to be fair, he mainly lurks. There was no activity between his last thread and getting mad at Envy's joke. So although he's spending time on the forums, he isn't really interacting with us that often.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

to be fair, he mainly lurks. There was no activity between his last thread and getting mad at Envy's joke. So although he's spending time on the forums, he isn't really interacting with us that often.

I have noticed that, but that's why I am asking.

The majority of times I see him is when he is complaining about something or making a fuss about people on the site. I just looked through his threads and most are complaints about how/why/what others enjoy reading/writing.

Then @forli wonders why everyone is negative about him. Well maybe he should try uplifting others and encouraging good instead of focusing on the bad. I'm not really sure what his endgame in pointing out the bad is.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

I have noticed that, but that's why I am asking.

The majority of times I see him is when he is complaining about something or making a fuss about people on the site. I just looked through his threads and most are complaints about how/why/what others enjoy reading/writing.

Then @forli wonders why everyone is negative about him. Well maybe he should try uplifting others and encouraging good instead of focusing on the bad. I'm not really sure what his endgame in pointing out the bad is.

I'd say it's an unfortunate cycle he's gotten into. Forli starts talking negatively, then people make fun of him for being negative which makes him more negative and the cycle continues.

Forli likely rants about things because he feels he shouldn't censor himself just because his thoughts are different, but fails to realize that if you're never positive people won't change their opinions of you.

 

[LunaSoltaer]

(EDIT TO ADD: The post right below this one is worth reading, arguably before this one. It should help provide grounding.)

I made a thread complaining about a bad trend of novels that essentially glorify genocide. I don't know the motives for why people write that, I assume that it is edginess and/or not caring at all about what they write, but I certainly not accusing the entire forum of that.

I haven't read these novels to which you refer, so I can't say one way or another if what they're really doing is advocating for genocide as an acceptable solution to a real-world problem. A lot of fantasies involving genocide, etc, are written with the fundamental assumption that NO LIVES ARE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS MOVIE NOVEL. Whereas with other sites, it may be disclaimed and CWd to hells and back, and maybe banned despite that, here we expect our readers to understand that Genocide IS NOT OKAY.

And even on SH main there are people who dislike power fantasies. I've received complements on my own work to that effect.

After getting a lot of bullshit, what I accused the forum of was not caring about writing, which would result in more crap like the one I was complaining about.

Hurt people hurt people. The cycle was perpetuated here. That said, I feel this was your most critical mistake. A forum for enthusiasts will be 99+% users who are passionate about whatever the forum is about. In this case, it is writing. Many of us, myself included, bleed our hearts and souls into our craft. You also said that this forum "will never be anything more than a dumping ground for morally repugnant garbage" which runs counter to many of our formative experiences as writers.

This was probably your gravest mistake to be perfectly honest. I'm rereading the genocide thread, and Corty for example started off with genuine advice, if presented sarcastically. Corty then switched to a fully genuine advice, dropping the sarcasm entirely when it didn't work. The advice was that you appeared to be imposing your own morality on others and to recognize that people are in fact diverse and have different expectations.

And while not quite being genocide, and not the entire forum, you have someone in this very thread unironically supporting school bullying. I would be lying if I said I'm surprised.

I had to dig through responses, and I think you're referring to Sola saying that bullying had a societal function that is lacking. And Sola said outright that bullying is BAD. Like, it's right there in the post: "Is this bad? yes"

The problem is that bad things do often have auxiliary or even functional benefits. This is why AI Learning algorithms get stuck in local maxima. This is also why people support capitalism despite its problems. And well, one legitimate benefit of genocide is it improves total resource per person by virtue of lowering the denominator.

I'm going to touch on my own writing again. Spoilers so that you don't have to read it if you don't want.

Spoiler

In my book, I have a faction of spellcasters actively trying to genocide all non-spellcasters on the planet. This is not an original concept, anyone can point to Harry Potter and say "Rowling Did It First!"

Sure. But what Rowling DIDN'T do is make that faction self-aware and giving them a legitimate reason to do so. I do. Namely, there is one day per week where nobody is allowed to use Magic otherwise mini-Cthulhus come in and wreck their shit. My antagonists are acting under the rationale that if the non-casters are dead, Mini-Cthulhus will cease to exist. This would be a MAJOR BOON to the spellcasters in the setting. Furthermore, these killers are actively practicing sound moral philosophies not directly related to killing people and making deliberate argumentation that it is in fact the college the MC is attending who are the real fascists.

It's still wrong. FMA: Brotherhood also does the same thing: Kill People, Get Energy. Also bad.

For a light-hearted example: soft drinks. Trade health for taste >:)

Going back on topic, what Sola said was that it IS good we reject bullying nowadays, but that did NOT come without a cost!! The main benefit was to impose resilience and some level of conformity, and now those are gone. I don't really agree with Sola, but it's not a support. If anything, it's a call to society to figure out a replacement so that we regain emotional and mental resilience while keeping the benefits of increased individuality and mental health.

The irony of this is painful. Have you seen the crap that the users of this forum are constantly saying about me?

I believe it feels constant to you since it pipes up whenever you do, but I have not in fact seen people care about you, other than a reference here or there, and those were more to the event than anything else. Hells, I've seen people express sympathy for you, though I'd have to dig it up and I'm not too inclined to right now.

I don't know how true that is, it's difficult to see attempts to reach out when I'm getting dozens of replies, and most of them are insults.

This is true. We get jaded fairly quickly. I remembered being in a similar state pre-transition. I'm not suggesting you might be trans, because that has an incidence rate of about less than one percent, but it may be worth meditating upon or seeking a second opinion whether through therapy or a friend.

There was no "moving on", people continued to crap on me endlessly for a full weekend, and then even later on in other threads.

The genocide thread in question got locked, so there's that.

Maybe I've cooled down somewhat, but I do notice you came into this thread hot, and then started cooling down a bit. I wouldn't have bothered replying to you at your first post (and in fact I didn't: I was going to ask you if you thought Stormfront was a better forum than SHF, but that would have been hyperbolic and EXTREMELY inflammatory. Instead I subtly memed about identifying the worst forum to visit.)

You actually seemed somewhat reflective before I replied, and even in your reply to me. So you ARE definitely making some measure of progress.

Also, for all of your flameposting at SHF, you are still here. This tells me that part of you sees the gems underneath the shite, and that part of you REALLY wants to dig through without choking on the fumes.

A potential experiment: Try making a post on here, say positing the advantages of first and third person perspectives. I bet you'll get a LOT more genuine participation than attacks. Now because of past actions, you will likely get some flak, but actively engaging in discussion of our craft does wonders.

 

[Deleted member 1244]

everyone

Foe the sake of disclosure, I don't think badly of @forli

Only people that say they think badly of them is thinking of them badly.

And I think the 5 to 10 people that think badly of forli is not representative of the whole community. the 5 to 10 are just the most active.

Most of-... or more accurately, i dont really care or don't know. I am just sad that the thread got hijacked.

I only came here to check out the ultimate forum and make a joke about how it already exsist since it was made by seren in 2012.

http://www.theultimateforum.byethost32.com/

*joke crashed by @LunaSoltaer 's wall of text and will now go unappreciated*

 

[LunaSoltaer]

Foe the sake of disclosure, I don't think badly of @forli

Only people that say they think badly of them is thinking of them badly.

And I think the 5 to 10 people that think badly of forli is not representative of the whole community. the 5 to 10 are just the most active.

Most of-... or more accurately, i dont really care or don't know. I am just sad that the thread got hijacked.

I only came here to check out the ultimate forum and make a joke about how it already exsist since it was made by seren in 2012.

http://www.theultimateforum.byethost32.com/

*joke crashed by @LunaSoltaer 's wall of text and will now go unappreciated*

It's cause you said Foe instead of For.

You triggered my Enemy Encounter and now I will use my TEXTWALL which takes 9 minutes to deal about 650 damage to one person.

 

[Deleted member 1244]

You triggered my Enemy Encounter and now I will use my TEXTWALL which takes 9 minutes to deal about 650 damage to one person.

!!!∑(°Д°ノ)ノ

 

[Deleted member 113259]

I don't think badly of @forli

I don't think anyone truly thinks badly of forli, not even Myrian. People get annoyed by his behavior but even some of the people that seem the most negative to forli have tried to reach out to him.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

I don't think anyone truly thinks badly of forli, not even Myrian. People get annoyed by his behavior but even some of the people that seem the most negative to forli have tried to reach out to him.

Despite the interaction in this same thread, I don't really think badly of forli either. I don't even know them as a person. I just see the posts they make, and I arrive to conclusions based on what they said. Many people arrived to the same conclusion, and if the conclusion is wrong forli should consider changing their approach. There has only been one person so far I thought badly of, and they are blocked.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

Despite the interaction in this same thread, I don't really think badly of forli either. I don't even know them as a person. I just see the posts they make, and I arrive to conclusions based on what they said. Many people arrived to the same conclusion, and if the conclusion is wrong forli should consider changing their approach. There has only been one person so far I thought badly of, and they are blocked.

Hold up. I'm not blocked?

 

[Mellohwa]

I don't think anyone truly thinks badly of forli, not even Myrian. People get annoyed by his behavior but even some of the people that seem the most negative to forli have tried to reach out to him.

I don't know who's forli and the only forum I've been to is shf, so my vote on it!

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Hans' Tidbits: I think badly of myself.

Oh wait, wrong place to post. ??

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Hans' Tidbits: I think badly of myself.

Why?

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Why?

Tis a joke though. ?

Seriously I'm avoiding heavy stuff, so I can fully recover. If you ask me how I really see myself, I'm on the 'so-so' side. Nothing bad, and nothing good. Just right at the middle. ?

 

[Deleted member 113259]

Tis a joke though. ?

Seriously I'm avoiding heavy stuff, so I can fully recover. If you ask me how I really see myself, I'm on the 'so-so' side. Nothing bad, and nothing good. Just right at the middle. ?

FEEL GOOD!
No need to thank me.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Tis a joke though. ?

Please don't lie. But you don't need to spill your guts here if you don't want to.

 

[Deleted member 54065]

FEEL GOOD!
No need to thank me.

Thanks! Will do, in time. I haven't fully recovered yet, but I'm getting there.

Please don't lie. But you don't need to spill your guts here if you don't want to.

I don't want to commit sudoku. I'm not good at Math. ??

 

[Deleted member 113259]

Thanks! Will do, in time. I haven't fully recovered yet, but I'm getting there.

I don't want to commit sudoku. I'm not good at Math. ??

Glad you're feeling a bit better. As for the sudoku thing, can't relate. Imagine not being good at mathematics lol.

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Glad you're feeling a bit better. As for the sudoku thing, can't relate. Imagine not being good at mathematics lol.

Ugh...me too. I'm a teacher, yet I hated numbers ??

 

[LunaSoltaer]

Ugh...me too. I'm a teacher, yet I hated numbers ??

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