Writers Of 'back to the past' Fics Face A Difficult Problem & Be Like

[phaeous]

Even if problems go away after you fix them
they still happened
you know?​

 

[RepresentingWrath]

What?

 

[BlurryMoon]

Do you mean that for example: Saul goes back in time every time he does not fulfill a particular objective. Paul failed. his mom died as a result. he went back in time. But instead of having a trauma of seeing his mom dying. He just says „it didn’t happen yet let’s have her get killed again so i can find out the identity of the Killer.“

 

[Tsuru]

I think OP meant :

-You will still remember the problems happened
Ex : even if go back in time and save your wife from being killed. Or your child to be eaten. Or turning off the gas that made your younger self kill your family. EVEN if you turned back time and solve the trouble, your brain will still have the trauma of it. Its kinda like, your wife leave you when you became poor = if you turn back time and became rich thx to future infos, you won't forget your wife could leave you if no money.
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PS :
Reminds me of a scene in Death march manga or probably a novel or a series with similar circumstances.
Where basically, a mob character had his wife being raped horribly. I forgot if it was my brain or a villain that explained. But basically, couldn't stop thinking of the logic : "sure the wife is dead and the husband will reunite with her in heaven. BUT SHE WONT FORGET the horrible inhumane torture and rape she experienced before dying".

 

[phaeous]

I think OP meant :

-You will still remember the problems happened
Ex : even if go back in time and save your wife from being killed. Or your child to be eaten. Or turning off the gas that made your younger self kill your family. EVEN if you turned back time and solve the trouble, your brain will still have the trauma of it. Its kinda like, your wife leave you when you became poor = if you turn back time and became rich thx to future infos, you won't forget your wife could leave you if no money.
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PS :
Reminds me of a scene in Death march manga or probably a novel or a series with similar circumstances.
Where basically, a mob character had his wife being raped horribly. I forgot if it was my brain or a villain that explained. But basically, couldn't stop thinking of the logic : "sure the wife is dead and the husband will reunite with her in heaven. BUT SHE WONT FORGET the horrible inhumane torture and rape she experienced before dying".

no, i am saying it still happened.
you can't have a memory of something that didn't happen

but even if you forgot

it still happened.

Any changes in the meta that rewrite events ~ changes the events directly. you didn't stop them from happening - they already happened - what you did was administer a remedy

like a `perfect fix

it's possible

but you still fixed something

the past can only be changed in it's future _ the present

 

[TheEldritchGod]

Time travel isn't possible, therefore any form of time travel in fiction is made up.
Therefore, the rules are whatever I want them to be. You do not get to decide how my time travel works.
Your assumptions only apply to how you see time travel working.

 

[phaeous]

Time travel isn't possible, therefore any form of time travel in fiction is made up.
Therefore, the rules are whatever I want them to be. You do not get to decide how my time travel works.
Your assumptions only apply to how you see time travel working.

The only reference from which you can pull ideas for your fiction is REALITY

 

[Succubiome]

The only reference from which you can pull ideas for your fiction is REALITY

If you know how to time travel: please teach me how!

 

[phaeous]

If you know how to time travel: please teach me how!

You just manipulate the MetaLaw(s) of the world & reset the structure of past events in those events' future this would be useful if you needed sussout unacceptable stains that make living in this world unworthy

You could also just deal with the current state in a manner addressing the past causes (normal "changing of the past")

If you wanns go to the future: everything you do takes you there

you can never truly bypass the requirement of getting there: experiencing each moment til

you could try cryogenic chambers if you can find a cud that would breed enough meaningful soul-gestation or ego-growth across time (if you don't get this oh well)

 

[Rezcore]

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Even if problems go away after you fix them
they still happened
you know?​

You can't change the past, but you can go sideways and fix that timeline

 

[phaeous]

You can't change the past, but you can go sideways and fix that timeline

If there was another you that could switch when things get unpleasant

Work would have no meaning

just keep jumping into fortune

 

[Tsuru]

no, i am saying it still happened.
you can't have a memory of something that didn't happen
but even if you forgot
it still happened.
Any changes in the meta that rewrite events ~ changes the events directly. you didn't stop them from happening - they already happened - what you did was administer a remedy
like a `perfect fix
it's possible
but you still fixed something
the past can only be changed in it's future _ the present

OH !
I see.

I also thought of this but was lazy to edit / post another post. And wasnt sure if this was that.
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Remind me of the problem of "you time travel to fix something BUT the event is sole reason you invented time travel"
[Lets skip the egg-chicken problem as its exhausting]
When young, on tv, i saw was a movie where a mustache(?) english gentleman inventor that lose his virtuous wife in accident and rush to finish his current idea of a time traveling machine. So keep trying to save his wife with time travel but kept seeing his wife die in front of him. Despairing. Decide to go to the future to find a solution. Shenanigans appear like high-tech society with mention of building on the moon but later moon exploded skipped fast and dude faint in his machine during the long period of cataclysms waking up in primitive society. blabla Then finally near the end, the "mastermind leader" of deformed humans explains to him that only the death of his wife could cause him to finish his invention of time travel. Dude was then shown a "created flashback" where he is calculating/drawing papers but his wife appear with coffee and seeing her he smile and crumble his papers to the bin, and go walk-talk with his wife. [End flashback]
Hence if time travel save his wife, it create the paradox that time-travel can't be invented -> no time-travel -> can't temper with events -> without tempering of things wife is sure to die in the accident.

Also in 2-3 mangas, some authors speak of "Akashic records" which basically record all events that happened.
So in same vein of logic, even if someone could time travel, the "records" should record that event happened and record someone "fix" it and record the continuation after the fix.
And not simply "erase what was in the akashic records + replace with new words".

PS offtopic : Its kinda annoying that with the avengers movies, the term "multiverse" is now everywhere used. Just like "inception" term wrong over-usage annoy some people.
PS PS continuation : And that with the "multiverse" popular, everyone write that time traveling and "fixing" cause the creation of a new timeline. I prefered that just like the movie cited it cause repercussion when returning (lol back to the future) OR the whole world "blur for a moment" to immediately implement the repercussions of the time travel did, and not like "flash tv series" where father of a villain die and villain slowly disappear in the void.

 

[BearlyAlive]

Hmmmm, Chickeneggs... There, problem of what came first solved, and without even using cats, poison, or a box.

 

[phaeous]

Remind me of the problem of "you time travel to fix something BUT the event is sole reason you invented time travel"
[Lets skip the egg-chicken problem as its exhausting]
When young, on tv, i saw was a movie where a mustache(?) english gentleman inventor that lose his virtuous wife in accident and rush to finish his current idea of a time traveling machine.

Let me solve this:

His wife died, so he invented this thing called "Life"
it's anathema to death.

His wife died, so he invented this thing called "Time"
it's anathema to 'the end'.


This fallacy is called the mind-flesh dichotomy.
Because people "believe" mind & flesh are anathema, they classify entirely different rules for each & the standard by which they interact can either be benevolent malevolent neutral.

So 'time'(mind) & "space"(flesh) develop a relationship where the things happening in fleshspace can be solved via mastering time using the mind. But the essential error is that Mind & Flesh(Space & Time) operate Inextricably & Simultaneously, so it's redundant talking about fixing time using technology or fixing flesh using mental exercise; these things are a given---they are the abstract basic foundations themselves; you need find a specific solution corresponding to the abstractions : wielding the abstractions themselves (wielding time) can solely be meaningful if you're talking about the specific referents (if somebody's time runs out in this world, there's no use staying here & they will not return. It's a futile task unless you return the time to them that they're losing before it's entirely lost {like mouth-to-mouth resuscitation or a pill that awakens a new horizon of interesting time for them in this world in the form of specific possibilities that revive their dying flesh with new mental pursuits made-possible})

"TIME machine" | "LIFE pill"

life & time exist SPECIFICALLY

they do not exist isolated from their referents

they exist as the common denominator indicating why given numerators are relevant to each other


they exist as the simple laws telling you the purpose of complex words