I CAN'T REALLY WRITE A EFIING NOVEL

[Shiroisora]

WELL, HELLO TO YA GUYS IN THIS WEBSITE, AND THAT WE USE TO BE A GOD. MAKING A CHARACTER OR A CREATING A NEW WORLD HERE IN THIS WEBSITE.
um... i wanted to get ya guys attention, but oh well !, As i said before,...on my title.. i really can't write a novel.. i just wrote for fun and now it is biting my back coz i don't know how to make a plot or make a story really good. I am just writing this to vent.. not so seriously >-< but.. i am working on it but... i am not really keen about.. i wanted to know how is my creation but in other hand i am just lazy to complete it TT-TT.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

The first step is emulation, aka copy others.

The next step is originality.

 

[APieceOfRock]

The first step is emulation, aka copy others.

The next step is originality.

I second this. My first novel is basically a (unintentional) copy now that I look back at it.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

The first step is originality.
The next step is emulation, aka copy others.

In all seriousness just do what I'm doing. Write a novel based on the stories you like, and add your own little twist. Then do that again. Then write a completely original story that you don't upload yet when some random four-parter you foolishly chose to do, and don't know how to finish starts pissing you off enough to make you regret the whole thing.

Simple.

If you're agonizing over not being good at storytelling, then you have an idea of what you want to do. Post some bullet points about what's unique about what you're trying to write, and then get some of the more experienced forum users to give feedback, one of the threads right now has a guy who wants to give people harsh feedback, get him to look at what you have.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

The first step is originality.
The next step is emulation, aka copy others.

In all seriousness just do what I'm doing. Write a novel based on the stories you like, and add your own little twist. Then do that again. Then write a completely original story that you don't upload yet when some random four-parter you foolishly chose to do, and don't know how to finish starts pissing you off enough to make you regret the whole thing.

Simple.

You seem to have reversed the order for no reason.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

You seem to have reversed the order for no reason.

That's my order. You start with originality and then emulate others to make a coherent story.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

That's my order. You start with originality and then emulate others to make a coherent story.

In all seriousness just do what I'm doing. Write a novel based on the stories you like, and add your own little twist. Then do that again.
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This is literally what emulation is.

Then write a completely original story that you don't upload yet when some random four-parter you foolishly chose to do, and don't know how to finish starts pissing you off enough to make you regret the whole thing.
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This is literally what originality is.

And yet you reversed the order ... You did emulation first.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

No. Even when you emulate, the original idea is always what comes first in the creative process. If it didn't you would never bother writing a story in the first place. You come up with an interesting concept, then you emulate the stories you enjoy reading, then you insert the concept you already thought of as a twist once you know what you're emulating.

 

[Deleted member 58005]

WELL, HELLO TO YA GUYS IN THIS WEBSITE, AND THAT WE USE TO BE A GOD. MAKING A CHARACTER OR A CREATING A NEW WORLD HERE IN THIS WEBSITE.
um... i wanted to get ya guys attention, but oh well !, As i said before,...on my title.. i really can't write a novel.. i just wrote for fun and now it is biting my back coz i don't know how to make a plot or make a story really good. I am just writing this to vent.. not so seriously >-< but.. i am working on it but... i am not really keen about.. i wanted to know how is my creation but in other hand i am just lazy to complete it TT-TT.

If you're writing for fun, don't put the thought of improving in your head all the time. The more you write, edit, and rewrite your chapters the more you'll come to notice flaws, errors, and mistakes that you didn't before. Trust the process.

That being said, I don't do this myself ;)

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

No. Even when you emulate, the original idea is always what comes first in the creative process. If it didn't you would never bother writing a story in the first place. You come up with an interesting concept, then you emulate the stories you enjoy reading, then you insert the concept you already thought of as a twist once you know what you're emulating.

Imitatio - Imitation

The literal imitation of a work. Goes as far as merely exchanging names and changing a few details. It is more or less a faithful copy.

Aemulatio - Emulation

The interpretation of work. You emulate a work, which means you try to surpass it. It is a reinterpretation, but still largely based on the framework of the original source material and its literary ideas.

What you did is clearly an emulation. A little twist added doesn't change that.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

If you're writing for fun, don't put the thought of improving in your head all the time. The more you write, edit, and rewrite your chapters the more you'll come to notice flaws, errors, and mistakes that you didn't before. Trust the process.

That being said, I don't do this myself ;)

Seconded. Just focus on putting pen on paper so to speak, and edit afterward to make it coherent, then edit to make it longer, then edit to make it grammatically accurate. Before you know it, you've made a complete chapter. Don't focus on step 4 while you're on step 1. Just write for now.

 

[Rezcore]

WELL, HELLO TO YA GUYS IN THIS WEBSITE, AND THAT WE USE TO BE A GOD. MAKING A CHARACTER OR A CREATING A NEW WORLD HERE IN THIS WEBSITE.
um... i wanted to get ya guys attention, but oh well !, As i said before,...on my title.. i really can't write a novel.. i just wrote for fun and now it is biting my back coz i don't know how to make a plot or make a story really good. I am just writing this to vent.. not so seriously >-< but.. i am working on it but... i am not really keen about.. i wanted to know how is my creation but in other hand i am just lazy to complete it TT-TT.

It just takes a lot of thought. Also a d&d style character maker works for characters, and ai can assist with setting details, just don't rely too heavily on ai.

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Try going back to basics: know the theme, genre, and focus of your story.

Then, plot the major points of your work:
1) Introduction
2) Rising Action
3) Climax
4) Falling Tension
5) End

In that order. Then write your characters. Some will tell you other methods, and it's fine as well. Take what works for you.

And of course, you'd be able to write something with a little self-discipline and focus on your part. This is one of the 'hobbies' that require serious attention to finish something meaningful.

 

[Corty]

To chime in with my two cents towards OP:

Then start with short stories. Write a novel, maybe 10-20 chapters long, don't go for hundreds of chapters right from the get-go. Write in small, contained bubbles, little worlds where you can keep up a good tempo of a story. You don't even need to start from the beginning and jump in with characters who have powers, etc.; you just need to mention a little background, who they are, etc., so the reader can place them on a power scale. Write an adventure of theirs and close it off however you like.

That way, you can still practice and create little bubbles of worlds and stories before starting up a story from the beginning to its end.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

Imitatio - Imitation

The literal imitation of a work. Goes as far as merely exchanging names and changing a few details. It is more or less a faithful copy.

Aemulatio - Emulation

The interpretation of work. You emulate a work, which means you try to surpass it. It is a reinterpretation, but still largely based on the framework of the original source material and its literary ideas.

What you did is clearly an emulation. A little twist added doesn't change that.

What's that got to do with anything? I thought we were talking about the order in the creative process for a single story (Original thought->Copied Thought->Original Thought). If you're talking about the stories as a whole as in writing a story that emulates others, and then writing a fully original story afterward then I already agreed with you.

Although technically what I did wasn't emulation because what I did doesn't actually apply to the definition you showed.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

What's that got to do with anything? I thought we were talking about the order in the creative process for a single story (Original thought->Copied Thought->Original Thought). If you're talking about the stories as a whole as in writing a story that emulates others, and then writing a fully original story afterward then I already agreed with you.

You honour your name, but let's let bygones be bygones.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

I don't really think I did so that much in this conversation. Depending on what you were talking about I agreed with you, but yeah let's end here. There wasn't much substance to the conversation to start with.

 

[Annoverxis]

I'm a rookie in writing lol but if u want you can try just smashing in whatever you went through on that one day like a vent like idk I was harassed like crazy by some ppl in school not very fun so I crammed the whole thing inside a notepad as a form of vent and then dig them out 10 years for my political court drama fanfiction

 

[Representing_Tromba]

My first novel was so bad that I purged it from the internet. May it never resurface.

As for offering advice, may I suggest writing out each of the major plot points that you want to cover in your story on physical paper if possible and organize them how you want. Once you have that write down all the characters you want to have in your story on similar paper. If it's a short novel then I would stick to 10 or less reoccurring characters. If it's a series then I you can have a lot more but make sure to introduce only the super important ones first. Place the characters in between plot points based on when you want to introduce them. This will tell you how to structure your story and when to add the characters in. It can also tell you if it's a plot or character driven story depending on which paper slip you have set as first.

Next is all imagination and connecting the dots. The last thing you want to remember is that a 1st draft is never good, so don't get mad if you reread it and it's awful. So long as it makes cohesive sense then it's fine for now. Spend some time editing it and adding detail. You should have a pretty good 2nd or 3rd draft after that for review.

P.S. don't infodump. Let the reader figure it out as you go.

 

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