I'm jumping on the bandwagon, and I need help...

RavensQuill

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Okay, so I feel the first thing I should say in advance is I'm sorry. I suffer from sociopathy, and I have no filter nor sense of empathy. If I offend anyone with this post, please know that I literally never mean to. I just need help.

I've written over a million words, nearly every word of which is posted to this site and others. Yet I see stories with less detail, inferior grammar, and less content skyrocket up the rankings. In times past, it was smut that beat me out. I hated it, but I accepted it, because I know that sex sells. But now, it's this isekai/litrpg/"young master" nonsense that's shooting past my stuff. I don't understand it. I even read some of the stories, and it doesn't make sense! So, in my own way, I'm going to try to understand it by "jumping on the bandwagon", as it were.

Being as descriptive as you can, please tell me what you see in these kinds of stories that you love. What makes them work for you? What tropes/themes are popular that I can use to actually get more than 50 readers (mind you, that took me over a year). My readers all tell me that my original content is good. I'm a good worldbuilder, magic system designer, and lore spinner. But I need to know what I'm not doing that's leaving me in the dreg heaps.

On the rare chance that you've seen one of my stories, how does it compare to one of the hundreds of copypasta litrpg/isekai/cultivation stories you've read on this or other sites? Do not worry about offending me, it's very hard to do. Be as blunt as you like.

Again, apologies if any are offended by what I type. And thank you in advance for your input.
 

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Some links to your work would help
So sorry, I thought it would link to those automatically thru my profile. I know now that this is not the case.

Use that jealousy to write Tolkien levels of storytelling and skyrocket to the top of Trending
It's not so much jealousy as it is I'm just trying to make a living at this, and spread my stories further. But god I wish I could write like Tolkien. I like to think my stuff's pretty good. Not to mention, it's all free!
 

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i've answered this question about LitRPG many times. Lemme just start copy pasting that answer. Oh and yeah, I can't answer much for young master, not rly what I read, but I assume it's more self-insert stuff, and xianxia settings of the few I've seen have viillains that are so evil they grate on your nerves and you just want to see them die.

For me the appeal of LitRPG is in two things.
A, A more concrete, less arbitrary power system. There are actual numbers, after all. Bullshit wins are less likely to happen, the combatants' parameters are set up properly from the very beginning.
That is, at least, in theory. In parctice? Eeeehhhh... Hit or miss, if I'm being generous.
B. I don't actually care as much for numbers go up that most people. What I absolutely love are Skills and Evolutions. It is so fucking hype, it makes me fucking excited, and well, I'll be honest, I like self-inserting, and that do be prime self-inserti material for my brain.

EXTRA!
C. I'm isekai trash and there is so much overlap. LitRPG ones are my favorite type of Isekai too.
 

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Yep people like to be able to see themselves as the protagonist. Think of it as writing a character for D&D but they have a very slight personality which you can put your own into. So far as character creation, I have some issues there socially but what I would recommend best is to look into other works and try to emulate where the emotion of the side characters would be important. Fake it till you make it if you have issues putting yourself into a different character.
 

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I only had a really brief look, but I think I might see the issue.

Scribblehub is a very Light Novel / Young Adult heavy site, and your stuff reads more like Sanderson Epic Fantasy. There is a market for this (I love the Broken Earth series and anything by Anne Leckie myself) but the audience isn't really here. It's more on places like Wattpad or Amazon.
 
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It's not so much jealousy as it is I'm just trying to make a living at this, and spread my stories further.
Then write for those who pay. Stop trying to sell what you want to read\write as it's evident that it's not where the money is at. It's okay to write what you want if you simply want to write. If you want views and money, write what sells.

As for mistakes that you make. From what I've seen after a brief glance(almost all of your stories are completed), you don't write web novels. You at least try to write a traditional, printed book. Now try to guess why people who come after web\light novels don't read your books.
 

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You would probably have a lot better chance of making money with your stories if you polished up the completed ones and try for traditional publishing or indie publishing. There aren't that many people who can make a living off of writing webnovels and most of them are backed by either a writing house or have been building up an audience since the peak webnovel era of 2012-2015.
 
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Web novels that thrive are geared for reader self-insert. All those tropes you mentioned are vehicles for self-insert. Even if you go over to the romance Wattpad side, the tropes that are popular are also for reader self-insert. Premise (in SH's case, tags) comes first before quality. Tolkien can publish his stuff on SH, and it'll get ignored until the hobbits are gender-swapped and turned into GL, and then stats are included for Aragorn.

A few years ago, you could've made a place in Royalroad, but not anymore. RR is litrpg land and not just any litrpg, should be self insert. As of now, there is no actual home for your work. The choice is to go indie publishing (very hard to get into trad publishing).

Now, it's a different story if you want to write anything that'll earn money. But at that point, I'd probably just get a job and continue writing what I want on the side to not compromise what I'm passionate about. I personally know a few writers who write very well but don't have a place in RR, SH, Webnovel, etc., and they adapt to the trend.

And then get burned out and quit writing.
On the rare chance that you've seen one of my stories, how does it compare to one of the hundreds of copypasta litrpg/isekai/cultivation stories you've read on this or other sites? Do not worry about offending me, it's very hard to do. Be as blunt as you like.
This is irrelevant. It's like opening a French restaurant in Chinatown. Even if you got the best French cuisine served ever, what the hell are you doing in Chinatown? Get my point? Don't use it as a metric of your writing skills.
 

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i've answered this question about LitRPG many times. Lemme just start copy pasting that answer. Oh and yeah, I can't answer much for young master, not rly what I read, but I assume it's more self-insert stuff, and xianxia settings of the few I've seen have viillains that are so evil they grate on your nerves and you just want to see them die.

For me the appeal of LitRPG is in two things.
A, A more concrete, less arbitrary power system. There are actual numbers, after all. Bullshit wins are less likely to happen, the combatants' parameters are set up properly from the very beginning.
That is, at least, in theory. In parctice? Eeeehhhh... Hit or miss, if I'm being generous.
B. I don't actually care as much for numbers go up that most people. What I absolutely love are Skills and Evolutions. It is so fucking hype, it makes me fucking excited, and well, I'll be honest, I like self-inserting, and that do be prime self-inserti material for my brain.

EXTRA!
C. I'm isekai trash and there is so much overlap. LitRPG ones are my favorite type of Isekai too.
That bit about a hated villain is very interest. Made me think of how happy I was to see Umbridge taken down. Will definitely keep this in mind, thank you so much!
Yep people like to be able to see themselves as the protagonist. Think of it as writing a character for D&D but they have a very slight personality which you can put your own into. So far as character creation, I have some issues there socially but what I would recommend best is to look into other works and try to emulate where the emotion of the side characters would be important. Fake it till you make it if you have issues putting yourself into a different character.
Ah, this is helpful info. I very much enjoy the progression side of D&D as well. I guess I just never thought of it that way, in spite of my writing being inspired by my D&D activities xD

Thanks a million for this input!
I only had a really brief look, but I think I might see the issue.

Scribblehub is a very Light Novel / Young Adult heavy site, and your stuff reads more like Sanderson Epic Fantasy. There is a market for this (I love the Broken Earth series and anything by Anne Leckie myself) but the audience isn't really here. It's more on places like Wattpad or Amazon.
Understanding the market you're in is very helpful. This will be very useful information to keep in mind.
SH is not your audience. If you post here, you do it for exposure and not much else.
That does seem to be the theme that I'm seeing. I suppose I should embrace that a bit more in future. Treat the readers like customers. I do very well with my own customers, so perhaps that's one of the steps I should take.
For starters, I hate the double-spacing in this.

Ah, yes. A very early mistake of mine lol. I'm going thru and fixing all of that as I edit and re-release my stories. It's slow work for sure, considering I type about 25k words a week xD
You would probably have a lot better chance of making money with your stories if you polished them up the completed ones and try for traditional publishing or indie publishing. There aren't that many people who can make a living off of writing webnovels and most of them are backed by either a writing house or have been building up an audience since the peak webnovel era of 2012-2015.
Considering the amount of times I check out new stories (less than a month posted) that outshine my novels with ease, I politely refuse to believe that I'm being hampered by the simple fact that I've been typing for 3 years, as opposed to 8. I have experience enough, I just need to change my interactions. That's what this post is helping me learn.
Web novels that thrive are geared for reader self-insert. All those tropes you mentioned are vehicles for self-insert. Even if you go over to the romance Wattpad side, the tropes that are popular are also for reader self-insert. Premise (in SH's case, tags) comes first before quality. Tolkien can publish his stuff on SH, and it'll get ignored until the hobbits are gender-swapped and turned into GL, and then stats are included for Aragorn.

A few years ago, you could've made a place in Royalroad, but not anymore. RR is litrpg land and not just any litrpg, should be self insert. As of now, there is no actual home for your work. The choice is to go indie publishing (very hard to get into trad publishing).

Now, it's a different story if you want to write anything that'll earn money. But at that point, I'd probably just get a job and continue writing what I want on the side to not compromise what I'm passionate about. I personally know a few writers who write very well but don't have a place in RR, SH, Webnovel, etc., and they adapt to the trend.

And then get burned out and quit writing.

This is irrelevant. It's like opening a French restaurant in Chinatown. Even if you got the best French cuisine served ever, what the hell are you doing in Chinatown? Get my point? Don't use it as a metric of your writing skills.
I think this is my favorite reply by far. Blunt enough that I can get the point, and phrased in a way I can understand.

I do remember my first novel (Tome of the Body) doing very well in RoyalRoad. In fact, it's still my highest-rated story.

Unfortunately, regarding the issue of just getting a job and writing on the side, this is not an option for me. Well, it is, in the sense that I do writing commissions. But I have very harsh physical disabilities that prevent me from even doing something as simple as walking. I know there are jobs I could still do, but writing is uber fun. I love typing a lot, and I couldn't give it up or make it a side thing, if that makes sense. This is like therapy to me xD

Hmm... People keep mentioning burnout. But I take a healthy break between novels. That analogy is very helpful as well. I shall consider this in future. Thank you very much for your advice!
Obviously they're trying to sell French food to the lost French people, :blob_sir:
The failure is an unintended side-effect, :blob_cookie:
French food to the lost french people. This is very true to me.

But it's also not disheartening! Because my goal and passion in life is to spread my stories as far and wide as I can. If it's just a matter of serving different food, I know I can become a multi-purpose writer. It's the same world either way, and the same stories. As long as I'm not required to make every character fuck every other character, then I can do anything.

Thankyou for the help! :blob_cookie:
 
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Okay, so I feel the first thing I should say in advance is I'm sorry. I suffer from sociopathy, and I have no filter nor sense of empathy. If I offend anyone with this post, please know that I literally never mean to. I just need help.

I've written over a million words, nearly every word of which is posted to this site and others. Yet I see stories with less detail, inferior grammar, and less content skyrocket up the rankings. In times past, it was smut that beat me out. I hated it, but I accepted it, because I know that sex sells. But now, it's this isekai/litrpg/"young master" nonsense that's shooting past my stuff. I don't understand it. I even read some of the stories, and it doesn't make sense! So, in my own way, I'm going to try to understand it by "jumping on the bandwagon", as it were.

Being as descriptive as you can, please tell me what you see in these kinds of stories that you love. What makes them work for you? What tropes/themes are popular that I can use to actually get more than 50 readers (mind you, that took me over a year). My readers all tell me that my original content is good. I'm a good worldbuilder, magic system designer, and lore spinner. But I need to know what I'm not doing that's leaving me in the dreg heaps.

On the rare chance that you've seen one of my stories, how does it compare to one of the hundreds of copypasta litrpg/isekai/cultivation stories you've read on this or other sites? Do not worry about offending me, it's very hard to do. Be as blunt as you like.

Again, apologies if any are offended by what I type. And thank you in advance for your input.
a lot of those stories have clickbait titles or cover images. Maybe yours doesnt. Your writing may keep attention but you need to be able to grab it first. Make your cover a sexy anime babe, see what happens.

Trust in Lord Cup.
 

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Considering the amount of times I check out new stories (less than a month posted) that outshine my novels with ease, I politely refuse to believe that I'm being hampered by the simple fact that I've been typing for 3 years, as opposed to 8. I have experience enough, I just need to change my interactions. That's what this post is helping me learn.
I think you may have misunderstood. I apologize for the confusion but I am not saying that it's a lack of skill or practice as your work says otherwise, rather, it is they have had the time and exposure to build up enough of an audience (and pander to them) to make a living off of. There are people who make money off of stories that they just recently put out but it is rarely enough to be called a living. There are those lucky few who write a story that is suddenly big and people pay for it but those are usually due entirely to a blend of skill (Writing skill or winning a writing contest), luck (I.E. when and where they posted), and willingness to adapt to the audience that has formed. Though most stories that "outshine" yours in terms of views or followers aren't making much or any money, especially if they are just starting out. It's a difficult landscape for those wanting to make a living out of it no matter how skilled they are. I had a couple of patrons once on Patreon when I was writing and posting 800-1000+ words daily but as soon as I couldn't keep up and had to take a mental health break, they stopped. I think changing your interactions will help and I pray that you can make a living off of your writing because it is good, but you may have to consider alternate methods of earning it rather than relying on subscriptions and donations.
 

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Okay, I've given that story I linked a short read and I'd say I would definitely drop it.

I'm just not invested in your MC in the slightest. Your writing style is a lot of "tell" and not a lot of "show".


I won't start a story like that, ever. It reads more like a character description in an RP than a story.
 

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a lot of those stories have clickbait titles or cover images. Maybe yours doesnt. Your writing may keep attention but you need to be able to grab it first. Make your cover a sexy anime babe, see what happens.

Trust in Lord Cup.
This is one of the decisions I've made. Not sure what it says about me, but if more people get to witness my stories, then all the better :)
 
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