Writing This movie+review allow you to understand a important tip for authors

[Tsuru]

Black Adam
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For some people that know me, you know that i love to repeat the tip : [Read more and read some more]. To have a popular novel.
And bunch of other tips.
This video that explain the flop of the (good quality though) movie Black Adam, mention a certain important tip of mine = "Originality = something unique to it" (warning too much originality can be a turn off as people like to see familiar things)

Sure now lot of novels are stuck to follow certain rules and similar plots or genres (isekai/rebirth-in-time/transmigration/etc), ideas are exhausted, readers not interested to try new things, BUT "originality" is still an important factor to emerge among the mass of people/series and become popular.
Coincidence too, in MTLnation website, a certain novel translated recently, is another proof that a unique added idea (and sexy-theme cough) is a way for popularity : [Job Transfer For All: The School Belle At The Beginning Becomes My Summons!]

Spoiler: Summary by author

Lin Yu traveled to Blue Star, where all the people changed jobs and monsters were rampant, and changed jobs at the beginning to become a very cheating summoner! Originally thought that I would be doing nothing all my life, but when I summoned my first summoned object... What appeared was the school girl Ning Xueer who had awakened her hidden profession "Angel of Light" from the class next door! Ning Xueer originally wanted to terminate the contract, but saw Lin Yu's talent... [Experience doubled: You and your summons will gain experience ten times faster! 】 [Super Double: You and your summons get double the bonus of all attributes, and double the effects of all skills at the same time. 】 Ning Xueer immediately expressed that it smells so good! And then Lin Yu found out... Every one of my summons seems to be not very serious! The talented young lady of a big family, the saint of a mysterious organization, the proud daughter of a top academy, the long-established strong female... "Can't you give me some non-human summons?" 【Successful summoning! This time the summoned object is the Succubus Queen! 】 "Okay...it's not impossible!"

[Everyone got job-classes] is common plot for chinese web novels. But compared to other novels on the website, this one had like 20+ reviews in 1 day compared 3+ of other novels with same genre.

Meanwhile if you watched the video, Adam flop despite it's high quality, with ADAM = Shazam / Dr Fate = Dr strange / Guy looking like Ant-man / Falcon copy / and copy of "Wakanda" high civilization thx to a strange mineral.
And a "protagonist" that got 0 main goal.

Lot of popular works, are "crab-eaters" with a certain idea, among similar competition in the same classification. They simply surpass others by having something unique but still keeping a dose of usual thing.
Onepunch-man, despite it's very bad art, became successful because no one did a manga about a truly invincible MC that beat enemy in one hit. Hence got later a "reboot" by the artist of Eyeshield with excellent drawing skills.
The true endgame (scribble). VRMMO but MC want to FISH ! (and smut)
My Dungeon Life: Rise of the Slave Harem. Despite it's dick-ass author, it was isekai slave harem on scribble.
World Keeper (scribble). MC became GOD.
Re:Zero. Had a very weak MC in isekai. And not an n-th OP isekai MC.
Heck even the subgenre of "anti-routine" that is now common, allowed lot of series to be famous. KONOSUBA being one classic example, where MC support "true-gender-equality" and not interested in the girls for a long long while.
Now compared to
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So, READ MORE, QUALITY, LOT OF UPDATES, and get a specific something so you aren't a N-TH clone in the mass.
Originality is like sauce.
Sauce isn't vital to food. Bland food is eatable and some are everyday food.
But the well seasoned ones are popular.

Of course there is lot of other things to consider but i just wanted to talk about "originality/unique-idea".
Rest of tips are in : https://forum.scribblehub.com/threa...at-want-popularity-so-they-stop-asking.12243/

PS : Please watch the video and talk about it too plz ^^ (not me that posted but its funny)

 

[ForestDweller]

Nah, it's just luck.

I've found many original works no one knows about

 

[BigBadBoi]

It's mostly luck honestly. I found a lot of hidden gems but sadly the authors drop it when it gets interestingnor they disappear from the face of the earth.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

No.

 

[CubicleHermit]

Ideas are cheap. Execution is hard. True in just about any field.

I could tell you stories about the tech industry, and just about every multi-billion dollar company isn't the first to do something - they're either just the really lucky one, or not just the first to do things but the first to do them really well.

Most ideas are just remixes of other ideas, and following tropes aren't a bad thing, if you can execute on them in a way that feels fresh, and isn't on the bad end of Sturgeon's Law.

 

[Tsuru]

Nah, it's just luck.

I've found many original works no one knows about

It's mostly luck honestly. I found a lot of hidden gems but sadly the authors drop it when it gets interestingnor they disappear from the face of the earth.

No.

Arrrrg ! orz
I typoed !!!!!
I meant "popular series" and not "a good author" !!!!!!!

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Arrrrg ! orz
I typoed !!!!!
I meant "popular series" and not "a good author" !!!!!!!

Still no.

 

[Le_ther]

Black Adam
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For some people that know me, you know that i love to repeat the tip : [Read more and read some more]. To become a good author. [EDIT : Typo : I meant "To become a popular author / popular novel"]
And bunch of other tips.
This video that explain the flop of the (good quality though) movie Black Adam, mention a certain important tip of mine = "Originality"

Sure now lot of novels are stuck to follow certain rules and similar plots or genres (isekai/rebirth-in-time/transmigration/etc), ideas are exhausted, readers not interested to try new things, BUT "originality" is still an important factor to emerge among the mass of people/series and become popular.
Coincidence too, in MTLnation website, a certain novel translated recently, is another proof that originality (and sexy-theme cough) is a way for popularity : [Job Transfer For All: The School Belle At The Beginning Becomes My Summons!]

Spoiler: Summary by author

Lin Yu traveled to Blue Star, where all the people changed jobs and monsters were rampant, and changed jobs at the beginning to become a very cheating summoner! Originally thought that I would be doing nothing all my life, but when I summoned my first summoned object... What appeared was the school girl Ning Xueer who had awakened her hidden profession "Angel of Light" from the class next door! Ning Xueer originally wanted to terminate the contract, but saw Lin Yu's talent... [Experience doubled: You and your summons will gain experience ten times faster! 】 [Super Double: You and your summons get double the bonus of all attributes, and double the effects of all skills at the same time. 】 Ning Xueer immediately expressed that it smells so good! And then Lin Yu found out... Every one of my summons seems to be not very serious! The talented young lady of a big family, the saint of a mysterious organization, the proud daughter of a top academy, the long-established strong female... "Can't you give me some non-human summons?" 【Successful summoning! This time the summoned object is the Succubus Queen! 】 "Okay...it's not impossible!"

[Everyone got job-classes] is common plot for chinese web novels. BUT THIS^ had the idea to have MC summoning the FL. OK the idea already appeared in japanese works LONG AGO (Tsukaima,etc or doujins) but for chinese web novels and especially MTL-nation website, it's first apparition.
Meanwhile if you watched the video, Adam flop despite it's high quality, simply there is no originality to it and other flaws.
I didn't watch it, but it's facepalming but also funny that ADAM = Shazam / Dr Fate = Dr strange / Guy looking like Ant-man / Falcon copy / and copy of "Wakanda" high civilization thx to a strange mineral.

If you look at history of things, most successful works, are "crab-eaters" with originality. They simply win by being the first or not similar to others + quality.
Onepunch-man, despite it's very bad art, became successful because no one did a manga about a truly invincible MC that beat enemy in one hit. Hence got later a "reboot" by the artist of Eyeshield with excellent drawing skills.
Naruto, ninja theme with op chakra theme.
The true endgame (scribble). VRMMO but MC want to FISH ! (and smut)
My Dungeon Life: Rise of the Slave Harem. Despite it's dick-ass author that insult and don't care of comments because we are not paying him, was popular because first slave harem series on scribble.
World Keeper (scribble). MC became GOD.
IRAS "I'm Really a Superstar" (novelupdates). Was the first big "entertainment" (singer) genre on Novelupdates.
Re:Zero. Had a very weak MC in isekai. People didn't see that before (despite other novels having done that before Re:zero)
Heck even the subgenre of "anti-routine" that is now common, allowed lot of series to be famous. KONOSUBA being one classic example, where MC support "true-gender-equality" and not interested in the girls for a long long while.
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So, READ MORE, ORIGINAL, QUALITY, LOT OF UPDATES.

Also I will link to a previous thread : https://forum.scribblehub.com/threa...at-want-popularity-so-they-stop-asking.12243/

No matter how original it is... there is no such saying that it would be enjoyable as it is.

I know people like originality but people prefer to be connected to a story they felt like something they already know but also unpredictable.

 

[Tsuru]

Still no.

No matter how original it is... there is no such saying that it would be enjoyable as it is.

I know people like originality but people prefer to be connected to a story they felt like something they already know but also unpredictable.

Looks like i didn't detail enough my speech.
Lazy to detail again so i give an analogy :

Originality is like sauce.
Sauce isn't vital to food. Bland food is eatable and some are everyday food.
But the well seasoned ones are popular.
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Le_ther you are right. I didn't want to say "100% original" though.
Its just that among dozens of isekai, most people won't remember them unless there is something special to it. That is what i meant.
I guess i need to edit again my OP (here we go again meme).

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Looks like i didn't detail enough my speech.
Lazy to detail again so i give an analogy :

Originality is like sauce.
Sauce isn't vital to food. Bland food is eatable and some are everyday food.
But the well seasoned ones are popular.
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Le_ther you are right. I didn't want to say "100% original" though.
Its just that among dozens of isekai, most people won't remember them unless there is something special to it. That is what i meant.
I guess i need to edit again my OP (here we go again meme).

I agree that you should be slightly original; however, it's hard to be absolutely unoriginal. So I don't understand the advice because it ultimately comes down to the quality of writing rather than originality.

 

[Tsuru]

I agree that you should be slightly original; however, it's hard to be absolutely unoriginal. So I don't understand the advice because it ultimately comes down to the quality of writing rather than originality.

Fine forget the word "originality".
And replace with "unique thingy".

It can be a sexy waifu cover, a funny trolling summary, MC being gay, MC being cautious as hell, having a weird name for character, etc

Even if you have very high quality writing, if no one try it and isn't eye-catching to the mass, it won't get popular. Because "bole" people are rare.

For example, dozen of mangas about "slow life in frontier", what if there is one named "i reincarnated in isekai and relax in the frontier BUT I GOT A FCKING GUN with infinite ammo".
Even people not interested in this genre of "slow-life isekai" will try it at least once.

So like we both agree on, it needs "slightly original" but its not same thing as "quality of writing". Quality of writing keep readers, while "slightly original" attract readers to try.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Fine forget the word "originality".
And replace with "unique thingy".

it's hard to be absolutely unoriginal.

Everyone already adds a "unique thingy" or their spin on tropes.

 

[Tsuru]

Everyone already adds a "unique thingy" or their spin on tropes.

Not all.
And this tip is aimed at the people that don't know that.

Everyone already adds a "unique thingy" or their spin on tropes.

Also it can't really count if you meant in the sense : this isekai got a MC that lost his parents, this isekai have MC being a noble etc.
"Unique thingy" EYECATCHING.
coughCOVERcough https://www.scribblehub.com/series/265541/shipcore/

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Also it can't really count if you meant in the sense : this isekai got a MC that lost his parents, this isekai have MC being a noble etc.

(warning too much originality can be a turn off as people like to see familiar things)

Then you should probably say how much count in your opinion if you are giving a tip.

 

[Tsuru]

Then you should probably say how much count in your opinion if you are giving a tip.

Sigh. It's a tip. Despite me writing a lot, i didn't want to give a "lesson". I think i wrote enough here for them to think about it. And linked to the other previous thread.
Also please stop nitpicking now >x<"
especially as you clearly don't need the tip. Please go talk about the video or go the new thread that appear on main page or something else ><

Because right now, you are turning me off to ever give a tip to scribble EVER in the future in my life.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Sigh. It's a tip. Despite me writing a lot, i didn't want to give a "lesson". I think i wrote enough here for them to think about it. And linked to the other previous thread.
Also please stop nitpicking now >x<"
especially as you clearly don't need the tip. Please go talk about the video or go the new thread that appear on main page or something else ><

I'm not nitpicking. I think that this can be a good advice\tip, but only when you say all of it. "Be original, but don't be too original" is vague and thus useless, in my opinion. It's like saying, "You should strive to write high-quality work." What is high-quality work? How much originality is too much? Just share your full opinion. You can say that, for example, 20% of tropes\plot\characters\other stuff should be original, but you can up this number to 40% if you want.

Edit. I'm pretty dumb and have no qualms admitting it. So I ask questions because I want to learn and understand. And the more 'nitpicking' you've answered, the more I agreed with your tip. My intention wasn't to offend you or nitpick. I wanted to clarify things for myself and maybe others.

 

[Harvier]

I'm not nitpicking. I think that this can be a good advice\tip, but only when you say all of it. "Be original, but don't be too original" is vague and thus useless, in my opinion. It's like saying, "You should strive to write high-quality work." What is high-quality work? How much originality is too much? Just share your full opinion. You can say that, for example, 20% of tropes\plot\characters\other stuff should be original, but you can up this number to 40% if you want.

Edit. I'm pretty dumb and have no qualms admitting it. So I ask questions because I want to learn and understand. And the more 'nitpicking' you've answered, the more I agreed with your tip. My intention wasn't to offend you or nitpick. I wanted to clarify things for myself and maybe others.

I think what he is trying to say is that no matter how good a writer you are, if you don't apply something different to your story, it will be just another one of the bunch. It may seem like pretty typical advice, but it is useful. It's not the same thing to do:

"I was reincarnated in a fantasy world to be the hero."

"I reincarnated in a fantasy world, but I just want to live a peaceful life."

To do:

"I was reincarnated in a fantasy world to be the hero, but I just want to live a peaceful life with the sexy demon queen and her minions."

In the last title at least we have something different, and from the title alone you can already see that there could be some interesting interactions with a sexy demon queen in the story. You can be as original as you want, but only if you know how to handle it.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

I think what he is trying to say is that no matter how good a writer you are, if you don't apply something different to your story, it will be just another one of the bunch. It may seem like pretty typical advice, but it is useful. It's not the same thing to do:

"I was reincarnated in a fantasy world to be the hero."

"I reincarnated in a fantasy world, but I just want to live a peaceful life."

To do:

"I was reincarnated in a fantasy world to be the hero, but I just want to live a peaceful life with the sexy demon queen and her minions."

In the last title at least we have something different, and from the title alone you can already see that there could be some interesting interactions with a sexy demon queen in the story. You can be as original as you want, but only if you know how to handle it.

I understand this. But you should also understand my point. If an author didn't figure out he\she should be original, this author won't be able to figure out how much originality is too much. No offense meant here. And it's important to talk about this, because there is such a thing as too much originality.