Action(ish) Genre Feedback/Review Exchange (1st few chapters)

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I have done a number of review exchanges before on other sites (namely RR and Tapas) and I kept getting landed with litRPG, romance, or just way out of the way genre writers who didn't like my genre and I didn't, either. It never worked out. :blob_pat_sad:

I would like to make an exchange with someone else who likes the action-ish genre (mine being a mecha-based drama) and read/give feedback or even a review swap for the 1st say 3, 4, or 5 chapters. I would be willing to do as much as agreed upon from whoever.

If you are also in the same boat as me and are up for it, let me know!


My current novel:
 

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I shall observe all you pitiable fucks off the throne of my undeserved smut clout.

Maybe I'll get to reading it in a bit. Busy rn and that joke needs to be up here
 

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I'm currently burning through my feedback obligations as I speak, so it may take a bit to get to you, but I want to get to you. I enjoy just about every genre save for Westerns (and even then, I'll read a good one). My own story is an nsfw litRPG with action aspects that's extremely light on the RPG side, if you're fine with diving into it, I'd be more than happy to take a look at Infinity.
 

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I shall observe all you pitiable fucks off the throne of my undeserved smut clout.

Maybe I'll get to reading it in a bit. Busy rn and that joke needs to be up here
lol

And no rush. If you do let me know and I will return the favor.

I'm currently burning through my feedback obligations as I speak, so it may take a bit to get to you, but I want to get to you. I enjoy just about every genre save for Westerns (and even then, I'll read a good one). My own story is an nsfw litRPG with action aspects that's extremely light on the RPG side, if you're fine with diving into it, I'd be more than happy to take a look at Infinity.

Gotcha, yeah if its not ultra hardcore RPG elements like RR is famous for, you're definitely good.
And no rush whatsoever, was just wanting to toss this out there while it was on my mind.
 

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So

I finally got back to this.


The prologue is... stuffed.

Core idea and narrative aren't bad at all, but, for lack of a better way to put it, your writing style is kind of overdressed.
Especially the first 30% seem to have additional sentence structures where ever grammatically possible.

If this wasn't for the sake of a review, I would probably have stopped right there.

After this initial drag you get into relevant exposition with her family. If the rest of the chapter was like this, you'd have had me.
But it wasn't. The news segment is another source of clutter with basically only one thing I deemed important enough to remember: There's terrorists with a somewhat just cause.

As for the rest, Sam put it pretty accurately:
Sam turned off the feed. “That’s enough, tired of hearing all that bullshit.”


Then there's the first chapter proper.
There's a lot less info dump, so that's a plus.
But the entire thing seems to consist of transition scenes.
The actually important bits are only referenced in dialogue.

In the prologue she prepared for the recruitment meeting(?)
Then she's getting drunk after a failed exam leading to a talk with her parents.
Then she's finishing off her enlistment.
With none of the mentioned events having been shown.

Building tension with leaving out key scenes for the moment is a valid narrative device, but there's a point it turns into "What am I even reading this for?"
You started the book with "How did she get there", so this on top before the latter is resolved is just... no.

To make it worse your paragraphs crawl with descriptions of mundane actions.
This might just be about the narrative style I'm used to, so take this with a grain of salt, but excess on scenes I'm already just reading to get to what they build up to kind of puts the nail in the coffin.

"I want my parents to let me live my life" and "I'm so happy I can finally live my dream" can't fill a 3k word chapter on their own.

So in conclusion (Yes, I am going to salt the wound)
I can see this improving, especially with the learning curve she seems like she's about to have.
But with those first two chapters I kind of doubt all too many will come far enough to witness it.

How you could improve:
Uhh, don't do what I complained about?
But seriously, exposition solely for the sake of something else is acceptable, so long as it's not more than it needs to.
Going forward, or maybe even in reworking your chapters, ask yourself whether you really need things to be that verbose in this particualr paragraph.
Punctual verbosity can make for great scenes, but more of it doesn't make for a better scene, especially if there's little actually happening.


On the other hand I might have got this all wrong. Wait for deeprot's feedback before you feel pressured into making any drastic changes
 

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I appreciate the feedback. I will get right to your story as well.

You know I don't take any offense one bit. To be honest, I have (after lots of feedback from various writing style authors) been told exactly two stories, and I realize both can't be pleased all at once. I will just say this: I had gone with what you were essentially describing when I initially wrote the story. It wasn't as polished as it could've been but it was including most if not all the elements you described. I got ripped by about a total of 7-8 reviewers that said I need to quit shoving event after event for the sake of progressing the plot, that I need to slow down and utilize more expressive writing and descriptions. I was told it was too elementary with such a simplistic approach and I needed to chase the more adult level audience since the plot is aimed at 18+ for complexity. I then got told that having too much in-between scenes that don't add to the plot needed to be removed, hence it feels like it skips some. I said, OK.

So, I spent a good x months rewriting all the chapters I had gotten to in order to satisfy that crowd. Now I got better reviews from them, but I quickly lost the ones who want to see "bam" "story" "plot progression" in a much more efficient manner. To be honest, I wanted to write as you described as that's the reader I am when I read other's stories, but maybe it was just the roll of the die that got me the reviewers I had that led me to change what I did. (This review came from RR by the way, the ones mentioning my lack of descriptiveness and inclusion of unnecessary transitional scenes)

What I will instead do is try to find some middle ground as I refuse to believe that'd be impossible, since I know its a 2 party system. And again, I know exactly what you are getting at and I appreciate bringing all that back to light. Hopefully I didn't run on too long and you got what I meant to say lol

Anyway, I will read yours and get back to you as well! Want me to post here?
 
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Consider my feedback free of charge.

I don't have anything right now that would make sense to review
Much appreciated, then, man. Let me know in the future when you do and I will gladly check it out.
 

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I have done a number of review exchanges before on other sites (namely RR and Tapas) and I kept getting landed with litRPG, romance, or just way out of the way genre writers who didn't like my genre and I didn't, either. It never worked out. :blob_pat_sad:

I would like to make an exchange with someone else who likes the action-ish genre (mine being a mecha-based drama) and read/give feedback or even a review swap for the 1st say 3, 4, or 5 chapters. I would be willing to do as much as agreed upon from whoever.

If you are also in the same boat as me and are up for it, let me know!


My current novel:
I will take a look at it after I finish writing my current chapter. I barely had any time to check on other people's work but I do want to. It's been a while since the last time I read anything mecha-related.
 

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I will take a look at it after I finish writing my current chapter. I barely had any time to check on other people's work but I do want to. It's been a while since the last time I read anything mecha-related.

Thanks man, no rush. If it's cool with you,I will check yours out in the mean time to pay Zirrboy's favor forward.
 

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Thanks man, no rush. If it's cool with you,I will check yours out in the mean time to pay Zirrboy's favor forward.
It would be my honor good sir. Go ahead! I will check yours as soon as I can
 

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@Bartun I've read through chapter 3. I can comment here or if you prefer some other method let me know
 

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@Bartun

Like I said, I had gotten up through Chapter 3 beyond the intro and prologue stuff.

Pluses:
I enjoy the detail and depth to the society and the world you created (real nice job in general)
Didn't take long to figure out the personalities and character dynamics of the main cast
For stating your English is ESL, you do well with grammar for the most part, props


Minuses:
I can't seem to figure out the aim of the story from these 3 chapters. That's my only real gripe. This might be because your genre is outside my usual reading realm and I am used to the conflict or potential for conflict being revealed by now, but I don't see it unless I totally missed it somehow.
Character dialogues later in the chapters (2 and 3) ran really long sometimes without progression.


Ah, and a question, how does the prologue tie in with Nina and the story? I think I missed that as well somehow, or is it revealed later who or what that was about?
 

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@Bartun

Like I said, I had gotten up through Chapter 3 beyond the intro and prologue stuff.

Pluses:
I enjoy the detail and depth to the society and the world you created (real nice job in general)
Didn't take long to figure out the personalities and character dynamics of the main cast
For stating your English is ESL, you do well with grammar for the most part, props


Minuses:
I can't seem to figure out the aim of the story from these 3 chapters. That's my only real gripe. This might be because your genre is outside my usual reading realm and I am used to the conflict or potential for conflict being revealed by now, but I don't see it unless I totally missed it somehow.
Character dialogues later in the chapters (2 and 3) ran really long sometimes without progression.


Ah, and a question, how does the prologue tie in with Nina and the story? I think I missed that as well somehow, or is it revealed later who or what that was about?
Thank you so much for the kind words! Yeah, I'm aware that the dialogue is kinda long but I figured it was the best way to do exposition, and also convey each character's personality, killing two birds with one stone. I know it can be tiring sometimes and I'm trying to make it more interesting for future chapters.

The conflict of the story starts in Chapter 4, that' where the action starts. The prologue ties in with Nina's story in Chapter 5, and from there she now has to find out what is going on.

I just read the prologue of Harbinger last night! I'll read more chapters tonight before giving my feedback but it looks great so far!
 

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Thank you so much for the kind words! Yeah, I'm aware that the dialogue is kinda long but I figured it was the best way to do exposition, and also convey each character's personality, killing two birds with one stone. I know it can be tiring sometimes and I'm trying to make it more interesting for future chapters.

The conflict of the story starts in Chapter 4, that' where the action starts. The prologue ties in with Nina's story in Chapter 5, and from there she now has to find out what is going on.

I just read the prologue of Harbinger last night! I'll read more chapters tonight before giving my feedback but it looks great so far!
Ah ok, I stopped a bit too soon then ? Will check those tonight
 

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Ah ok, I stopped a bit too soon then ? Will check those tonight
Don't blame you, those 3 chapters surely were kinda long, Chapter 4 gets more interesting, promise!
 

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@YS_og I've read through "Why Colombia?" and "First Drop Operation" chapters. Since English is not my first language I can't find anything bad about your style. I will continue reading to be able to provide you with better feedback! Promise!

But what I can tell you right now is that you need to add more tags! You only used 3 tags, and maybe adding more would help you get more readers and views. Also, add a link to your story in your signature so every time you comment here on the forum people will be able to check on your story.
 

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Sorry for dragging my feet, I move an undead snail's pace. I thoroughly enjoyed what I read.

As for considerations that I don't think I put in the chapter comments:

Overall, the story was very good, but it suffers from a slower start than most of your contemporaries and it feels a little overwritten, you're good enough to remove the "buttressing" language for lack of a better term. Beginners need it to clarify messy text, but to stuff that's already clear, it just makes the writing feel uncertain. Trust yourself! Leave things that are delivered via implication like directional facing (she turned, she looked at X, etc) and action timing to stand on their own and your text will come out much sharper.

Your strongest points are your character writing (as mentioned in the comments) and the balance you strike between internal thoughts, actions, and information, though when you do teeter off course it tends to lean on the last one a bit too hard, but that's to be expected in the millitary sci fi genre, if Tom Clancy has problems with it, how can I yell at anyone else over it for a great stretch of time?

Besides the above, your sensory input is very solid as far as kinetic stuff goes, particularly during combat sequences. you don't skip out on factors like weight, motion, light, and heat when Sam's in the cockpit, it makes me want to get in a mech myself.

Like Bartun said before, I feel like you'd get a bigger audience from adding more tags to your story, you can also slow down your release rate a bit, when you post several chapters a day really close to each other, you reduce your visibility. If you want to take it further, you can spread word of your novel through all the appropriate social media channels. It just sucks to see you have so many chapters and so few views!

To everyone who comes across this thread, if you like mecha stuff, read YS' damn book! It's criminally underappreciated, I see no reason why Villainess and Grimoire gets a bunch of attention over this, grow some taste! (I'm just doing a bit, I'm not shaming you for liking what you like, don't @ me, you should read the book, though, it's worth your time).
 
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