Address to all the NTR’s not-so-lover

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How do you feel when the author introduces a certain character as the romantic interest—she could be a very cute girl whom mc has a slight interest in, but not to the point of wanting to go out with, and they’re definitely not dating—but then makes that character go out with someone else?

Do you think that counts as an NTR? How do feel about it?
 

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I am very interested in the responses this is going to get.

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It will count as NTR.
Yeah, I think so too. I don‘t care about the definition of NTR, I only think of it in term of feeling. So, it’s like when you cheer for some characters to get together but they don’t, and the author even mocks the readers by making one of them go out with someone else, it kind of feels bitter. I’d say, that definitely counts as NTR!
 

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Yeah, I think so too. I don‘t care about the definition of NTR, I only think of it in term of feeling. So, it’s like when you cheer for some characters to get together but they don’t, and the author even mocks the readers by making one of them going out with someone else, it kind of feels bitter. I’d say, that definitely counts as NTR!
Hmmmmm.

Methinks that sounds like the logic a "nice guy" who buys flowers for a platonic best friend who rages when said best friend finds a boyfriend later on uses. I mean, unrequited love hurts and there is a double standard where male sufferers are called incels while females are shown in a tragic light; but an angry reaction, especially on the reader's side, feels immature. Not that there's anything wrong with emotional immaturity. It's all about what we choose to do with it.
 

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Yeah, I think so too. I don‘t care about the definition of NTR, I only think of it in term of feeling. So, it’s like when you cheer for some characters to get together but they don’t, and the author even mocks the readers by making one of them going out with someone else, it kind of feels bitter. I’d say, that definitely counts as NTR!
I don't think of it like that at all. HOWEVER, from the personal experience of someone who wrote a novel with NTR in a title, there is a lot of readers like you. They don't care who likes whom in the story, and they don't care about the definition of NTR. They just want MC to monopolize all the girls in the story.
 

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How do you feel when the author introduces a certain character as the romantic interest—she could be a very cute girl whom mc has a slight interest in, but not to the point of wanting to go out with, and they’re definitely not dating—but then makes that character go out with someone else?

Do you think that counts as an NTR? How do feel about it?
Anyone who whines about that is actively trying to feel like a cuck.

Yall arent even dating and you feel bad about her fucking somone else...

Either you're a possessive shit or you just have a kink for being cheated on, I say.
 

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Hmmmmm.

Methinks that sounds like the logic a "nice guy" who buys flowers for a platonic best friend who rages when said best friend finds a boyfriend later on uses. I mean, unrequited love hurts and there is a double standard where male sufferers are called incels while females are shown in a tragic light; but an angry reaction, especially on the reader's side, feels immature. Not that there's anything wrong with emotional immaturity. It's all about what we choose to do with it.

Ooof, I'm feeling kinda called out. Back when I watched romance anime, I used to rage when best girl or boy didn't win the mc bowl.

Double so if the winner was some generic mary sue.
Either you're a possessive shit or you just have a kink for being cheated on, I say.

Why not both?
 

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Hmmmmm.

Methinks that sounds like the logic a "nice guy" who buys flowers for a platonic best friend who rages when said best friend finds a boyfriend later on uses. I mean, unrequited love hurts and there is a double standard where male sufferers are called incels while females are shown in a tragic light, but an angry reaction, especially on the reader's side feels immature. Not that there's anything wrong with emotional immaturity, or displays of it.
First of all, I’m not a big fan of the whole ‘alpha’ and ‘nice guy’ things. I’ve been quite interested in it in the past, since it’s all over the internet and all, and I’d be lying if I say I didn’t feel the appeal at all.

So, after looking into it for a long while, I finally came out of there.

I can conclude to you that the whole logic of ‘nice guy’ and ‘alpha’ is bs. Of course, there’s some truths in it, but if you look at it carefully, you’ll see that the whole logic always involves things like power-dynamic, ego, and insecurity. There’s nothing healthy about it. It’s just the scheme targeting young people with insecurity.

As for what you said, though, I have to agree with you. When the reader feels angry when that happens, it’s due to emotional immaturity.

But it could also be something else entirely as well.

In real life, I’m always being flirtatious when being around the girls I like, and I’m pretty honest and straightforward with some hints of sexual innuendo here and there. But over all, I just love girls and try to show them my appreciation, not to get something from them, and there’s no power-ego involved—aside from when I’m joking or role-playing or snu snu, you know what I mean~

But, even if the girl I like irl already has a boyfriend, I don’t feel anything about it at all: no envy, no jealousy, no anger. I’m just talking with her like my usual self—you know, being flirtatious and joking around and all that, but I still respect the boundaries. I’d say that I’m pretty mature emotionally.

But when it comes to fictional world, I kind of have those feeling in said situations. The feeling‘s not that strong, but it’s still there.

Maybe it’s because in fiction, when a romantic interest is introduced, I kind of already think of her as an mc’s girl? So that’s why when that doesn’t happen, it kinds of feels bitter, you know—just like the NTR stuffs.
I don't think of it like that at all. HOWEVER, from the personal experience of someone who wrote a novel with NTR in a title, there is a lot of readers like you. They don't care who likes whom in the story, and they don't care about the definition of NTR. They just want MC to monopolize all the girls in the story.
In fiction, yeah, it’s like that. Maybe, I do have a deepest desire to dominate every girls in existence, but I highly doubt that~ lol
 
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But when it comes to fictional world, I kind of have those feeling in said situations. The feeling‘s not that strong, but it’s still there.

Maybe it’s because in fiction, when a romantic interest is introduced, I kind of already think of them as an mc’s girl, so when that doesn’t happen, it kinds of feels bitter, you know—just like the NTR stuffs.
it's self-inserting. I used to feel the same way to an extent, but I don't anymore. tbh I kind of miss it. it made me more immersed and engaged
 

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it's self-inserting. I used to feel the same way to an extent, but I don't anymore. tbh I kind of miss it. it made me more immersed and engaged
Exactly. I’m always self-inserting myself when reading. That’s why I like to read wish-fulfillment stuffs since it feels good and relaxing.

And precisely because of that, there’s also this sense of losing control over yourself as well. When you self-insert, you‘re giving up all your self-control and let the mc guide you. The mc doesn’t usually become me; rather, I become him.

So, when he has some kind of mindset that doesn’t align with mine—maybe he has a deep insecurity that I don’t really have—If I choose to continue self-inserting, I kind of have to be insecure alongside the mc as well.

Though, that doesn’t usually happen; whenever I find some difference in mindset with the mc, I’d distance myself instantly and choose to become the observer, instead.
 
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In fiction, yeah, it’s like that.
I'll be honest I don't understand why you ask this question. Have you not seen K5Rakitan's black and white picture with text already? The one that says write the story you want to read, etc. Stick to your own judgment and write whatever you want. If you consider this as NTR and don't want this crap, don't write it like that. I assure you, there are plenty of readers who think like you. They will enjoy your stories.
 

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I'll be honest I don't understand why you ask this question. Have you not seen K5Rakitan's black and white picture with text already? The one that says write the story you want to read, etc. Stick to your own judgment and write whatever you want. If you consider this as NTR and don't want this crap, don't write it like that. I assure you, there are plenty of readers who think like you. They will enjoy your stories.
You misunderstood me. I’m not asking this question to get some motivation to write or anything like that. I’m asking this just for fun. I just wanna hear what you guys think about it, that’s all.
 

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Exactly. I’m always self-inserting myself when reading. That’s why I like to read wish-fulfillment stuffs since it feels good and relaxing.

And precisely because of that, there’s also this sense of losing control over yourself as well. When you self-insert, you‘re giving up all your self-control and let the mc guide you. The mc doesn’t usually become me; rather, I become him.

So, when he has some kind of mindset that doesn’t align with mine—maybe he has a deep insecurity that I don’t really have—If I choose to continue self-inserting, I kind of have to be insecure alongside the mc as well.

Though, that doesn’t usually happen; whenever I find some different in mindset with the mc, I’d distance myself instantly and choose to become the observer, instead.
yeah, that's the definition of self-inserting. maybe pull back a bit - read things without a clear-cut mc. this is not very healthy, especially in the long run
 

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Anyone who whines about that is actively trying to feel like a cuck.

Yall arent even dating and you feel bad about her fucking somone else...

Either you're a possessive shit or you just have a kink for being cheated on, I say.
I'm just possessive, acknowledged fact I've known for years.
 
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