Why! Why no armor!

[Deleted member 54065]

Its all started when a black haired swordsman kidnapped and fight 1 v 69420 people with emo clothes on without barely sustaining any damage

Wait till you see JPN RPGs...

 

[LesserSarcasm]

They wear it, it is called plot armor.

That said, the real reason why a wizard doesn't wear heavy armor is, why? Wizards are a RANGE class, who gets little exercise. Wearing heavy armor would tire them out. They are better off running then fighting close range.

As for chainmail, it is common for all classes to wear light chainmail underneath their leather or cloth. I've seen it mentioned all the time. You don't exactly want to advertise you are wearing it, making opponent believe you have only cloth can save your life.

Also, lots of works have spears too.

Why cant wizards wear gambeson or even paper armor both arent effected by cause magic clause.

Whats under the chain mail the pinching and chaffing it will cause.. yeah nope. Chainmail is worn over stuff for a reason

 

[LordJoyde]

Armor is heavy and lumbering. My MC is superhuman and can compensate for lack of protection with magic.

Besides, why would I bother describing her in armor when I can have her wear waifu clothes instead? Hmm... with that said, women in full plate can be quite attractive too.

 

[Zirrboy]

I don't know whether this has been mentioned yet, but armor is expensive.
Many close combatants didn't use much of it, let alone the rear.

And while mages would intuitively sound like they're too valuable to be lost, so were skilled archers.
It takes a fuck ton of time to practice to get a good rate of fire.
Still, they wore lighter armor.

Plus what Gemini said.
The image existed before, but what set it in stone imo are games.
They have mages as glass cannons for balancing purposes and writers copied that.

Magic, without any equally supernatural abilities for other types of fighters makes them extremely overpowered already. So either you have wizards only, or you write them some flaw
And the easiest "interesting" mean of balance to turn to is a close range weakness.

 

[Amok]

I don't care either way, I like my realism but as stated, this is fantasy. Folk can create whatever they want, be it a suit of gold-plated cupcakes that shoot lazers or a skimpy leather uniform sown together from unicorn scrotums.

I have no problem with wizards in armor(find them sexy af tbh), up to author to decide. Possible reasons for trope:
*DnD. Maybe to nerf the wizard as class, they don't got proficiency in heavy armor. Like this in DnD adapted games as well where they can't wear it at all, maybe conception flowed from there.

*Tolkien. Pretty much the benchmark for traditional wizards, a floppy hatted old dude in a dirty robe(Sauron had badass armor tho, but technically not a wizard, rather a fallen demigod)

*Mobility: Many spell systems requires mage to wave arms about in complex patterns, heavy armor tends to work against this. Also levitation spells etc., don't need extra weight of armor? And maybe cloth is easier to enchant than metal? You can make up all sorta reasons, but personally I'd write mages who can wear whatever the fuck they want. Sorta the image of a sorcerer tyrant sitting on throne of bone, visage hidden behind a snarling demon mask of black steel embossed with gold and studded with rubies.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Why no realism, unless you specifically say why no armor, then why.


State why wizard can’t wear metal. Why no chainmail. Why boob plates, that’ll add more work for poor blacksmiths. Their is leather and fabric & metal based metal armor.


So much, so much potential for armor, and weapons, and you guys waste it. Why only big sword, dagger, bow, smaller sword. Leather armor, Big metal armor, robes.


I want cool descriptions of armors, and weapons.

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But seriously theres a lot of story potentia in why said character where’s that, instead of that, is It because that set of armor has
advantages to being able to use a bow, or one made to be good against slash, and stab, but bad against crushing damage

when you can enchant those robes to have better protection than armor, you don't need armor. For fashion, if anything? it depends on your tastes , i guess

 

[Deleted member 54065]

*Tolkien. Pretty much the benchmark for traditional wizards, a floppy hatted old dude in a dirty robe(Sauron had badass armor tho, but technically not a wizard, rather a fallen demigod)

I think you're talking about Saruman. Saruman, Gandalf, the wizard with animals, and the two others (mentioned in passing in the books) are lesser demigods.

And yeah, Sauron's armor is badass.

 

[Amok]

I think you're talking about Saruman. Saruman, Gandalf, the wizard with animals, and the two others (mentioned in passing in the books) are lesser demigods.

And yeah, Sauron's armor is badass.

Yeah meant Sauron, but you're right, totally slipped my mind that Gandalf and Sauron are Maiar as well >.< Sauron got corrupted by Melkor, the other two did not.

 

[Varstark]

Why boob plates

This distresses me far more than the post's lack of coherency.

Boob plates are a fictional invention on par with the printing press and the compass.

 

[lnv]

Why cant wizards wear gambeson or even paper armor both arent effected by cause magic clause.

Whats under the chain mail the pinching and chaffing it will cause.. yeah nope. Chainmail is worn over stuff for a reason

No one said to wear chain mail on bear skin... It's called multiple layers of clothing. It's not a game where you are limited to wearing 1 thing on your chest.

 

[TRNRLogan]

As for boob plates, Ai-chan guesses it's just to make it easier for big breasted warriors to fit into their armour without adding bulk. The thinner part would be on the breastmeat but because it's curved, it would be as safe as any other part. As for more work, it isn't that much work compared to a flatter plate mail.

Technically there's already plenty of space for boobs on chest pieces. It's just not generally designed around. So you'd have to move the sorta domed bit up to accommodate boobs.


As for why you'd develop boob plates, it'd be the same reason some armor has abs or cod pieces. Purely aesthetic based on the ideals of the culture. It's also why knights look like they had such then waists when you look at their armor. That was considered attractive at the time. If you look at modern art the male knights tend to be much wider.

 

[T.K._Paradox]

Why no realism, unless you specifically say why no armor, then why.


State why wizard can’t wear metal. Why no chainmail. Why boob plates, that’ll add more work for poor blacksmiths. Their is leather and fabric & metal based metal armor.


So much, so much potential for armor, and weapons, and you guys waste it. Why only big sword, dagger, bow, smaller sword. Leather armor, Big metal armor, robes.


I want cool descriptions of armors, and weapons.

-
But seriously theres a lot of story potentia in why said character where’s that, instead of that, is It because that set of armor has
advantages to being able to use a bow, or one made to be good against slash, and stab, but bad against crushing damage

Because people like to make everything really stupid when it comes to fantasy, and really like to dumb down actual medieval Europe.

Most people used swords as sidearms not as their main equipment, people like have feudal societies whilst ignoring the agrarian culture and inner workings of the Aristocracy, cavalry was highly strategic in real history so of course fantasy cavalry or the equivalent of it exist to scream into battle and die, mage colleges make no fucking sense if they intermingle noble and peasants given the fact the peasants may finally come to the realization they live in a shit world with corrupt generic fantasy government and probably would attempt a peasantry based mage coup, mages theoretically should be the ruling class if they can stomp everything in their way, or if there are actually checks and balances to mages but they are still pretty strong why not test children at young age for magic proficiency and then make them into something like Janissaries and then you'd have an elite core of shock troops loyal to the crown, theological groups would go through the roof and have lots of political power if they can prove their God is real, technology often progresses quicker if humanity as a whole is in turmoil I.e. WWI TO WWII technology made vast improvements in such a short span. So why wouldn't their be large investments into technology of humanity if they are always under siege from monster attacks? Is it because the oligarchic aristocracy and their mage shock troops have heavy borders and put an emphasis on needing magic in order to subvert a peasantry based revolt?, etc, etc.

Technically there's already plenty of space for boobs on chest pieces. It's just not generally designed around. So you'd have to move the sorta domed bit up to accommodate boobs.


As for why you'd develop boob plates, it'd be the same reason some armor has abs or cod pieces. Purely aesthetic based on the ideals of the culture. It's also why knights look like they had such then waists when you look at their armor. That was considered attractive at the time. If you look at modern art the male knights tend to be much wider.

Platemail codpiece cough cough.

 

[NotaNuffian]

This distresses me far more than the post's lack of coherency.

Boob plates are a fictional invention on par with the printing press and the compass.

Conventional armor is for fatfucks aka the male nobles back then,

If the women wanted to wear them, it is fine, their jiggly chest fats sag too.

 

[owotrucked]

Me justifying why nipple piercings increases defense

 

[NotaNuffian]

Me justifying why nipple piercings increases defense

Asuka of the Scarlet Sky - Novel Updates

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Too bad no translator is willing to bite the bullet and buy and translate it.

Yes, right nipple ring for physical defense and left nipple ring for magic defense. Now all Asuka needs is a clit ring for mental defense and anal plug for soul defense.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Write it then. I would personally not bother with it since I'm not interested in it.

Don't give it to your liteRPG wizards though. That's just broken. They actually do fight against the warriors, so you've gotta keep it somehow balanced

Unless that's how I intend it to be, to portray a strong wealth and status inequality in the fantasy land I am writing

 

[NotaNuffian]

Write it then. I would personally not bother with it since I'm not interested in it.

Unless that's how I intend it to be, to portray a strong wealth and status inequality in the fantasy land I am writing

Then the mage killers will need armor piercers or have Guts in their team.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

if they intermingle noble and peasants given the fact the peasants may finally come to the realization they live in a shit world with corrupt generic fantasy government and probably would attempt a peasantry based mage coup, mages theoretically should be the ruling class if they can stomp everything in their way, or if there are actually checks and balances to mages

I think sir Isaac Newton was a son of a farmer or a trader or smth. There are many other examples of the talented and capable of the lower class acquiring honorary noble titles, though I don't recall any of them ever going against the (or even trying to somehow influence the society). Actually, most geniuses are historically depressed/suicidal/go mad.
The thing is, human values and beliefs change throughout history and what we(most of us in the first world anyway) take (as a given) for good or bad, is something that would be strongly argued against in the past and vice versa. People act and develop differently under different circumstances and such underrepresentation of ideas and thoughts is the worst kind of representation we can find in the media nowadays, unfortunately. We'll, that's just my opinion and I'm going off a tangent anyway.

 

[NotaNuffian]

I think sir Isaac Newton was a son of a farmer or a trader or smth. There are many other examples of the talented and capable of the lower class acquiring honorary noble titles, though I don't recall any of them ever going against the (or even trying to somehow influence the society). Actually, most geniuses are historically depressed/suicidal/go mad.
The thing is, human values and beliefs change throughout history and what we(most of us in the first world anyway) take (as a given) for good or bad, is something that would be strongly argued against in the past and vice versa. People act and develop differently under different circumstances and such underrepresentation of ideas and thoughts is the worst kind of representation we can find in the media nowadays, unfortunately. We'll, that's just my opinion and I'm going off a tangent anyway.

I thought the standard procedure of nobles is (not was cuz it is still happening now) to bring the good crops from the peasant class into their fold, therefore they are on the same hometeam and these has two effects: the peasant elites feeling really elite and alienate from their previous parentage and the peasants who are still poor will feel the gap from the newly crowned good crop and bugger off.

This is the same with ancient China and their scholarly system that granted immediate noble rank (9th, like a baron) to the top scholar (funny as to how in literature, there is not supposed to be a "best", where everyone is a winner *pui*). The scholar would then get stuck in politics and mostly forget about "helping out the poor".

 

[CarburetorThompson]

Realistic armor is great for a low fantasy setting, but the more op magic and cheat stuff you have it becomes harder to justify its use. I like realistic historical armor, but I also tend to prefer low fantasy settings.