Authors ruining their stories with terrible romance

Varstark

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I know everyone has their own genres they like and do well in so they won’t be good in everything but why do some just make the things their bad at a major point in their stories?
I mean, I'm sure you've at least heard of a case like some genius scientist wishing he could be a poet or athlete or something, even if he's utter shit at it.

That said, good romance either requires a good imagination coupled with high emotional intelligence and/or an extensive IRL experience to draw from, so to be an effective writer you'll kinda have to do like an artist does when drawing a tree and spend 70% of your time observing that tree (socialising) and 30% of the time actually drawing (writing).

Not even most writers outside of Scribble Hub do that.
 

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Yeah, I get so sick of these delusional fucks. You're "fee-fee's" don't make you another gender. Gender dysphoria is just a mental sickness, nothing physically real about it. Wish people get their heads out of Fantasia or wherever the hell they got this nonsense from. Or if they must continue believing in it, stop trying to make others participate in their falsehood. Believe whatever you like, stop trying to rope others into your madness.

Not even 1 in a million. Even rarer than that. Of course, no one likes to mention that little tidbit. The vast majority of so-called intersex people are just those with mental health imbalances.
You also have the repeatability crisis in psychology where like 70-80% on experiments cannot be replicated. Which essentially means most, if not all of it is fake.
 

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It's wish fulfillment. Most humans, except asexual ones, have a biological drive to find mates. However, many people don't feel fulfilled in their present circumstances.
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For people diagnosed it's about that, but a number of intersex conditions are outwardly conforming to a typical gender, and most of the rest also have adult appearances that can range into 'passing' for one sex or another, so intersex is actually rather underdiagnosed. It's not actually known how common some of the more subtle conditions are, especially since many of them are caused by genetics traits limited to small geographic areas. The difference between 'fertility problems' and 'intersex' is also extremely fuzzy.
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@Ilikewaterkusa Dang, what a depressing view on marriage. Marriage is about responsibility to kids? That inflexible view on gender too... Is he pretending intersex people don't exist? So much for 'it takes a village to raise a child.' This video seems more like an excuse not to help impoverished families, in a "they knew what they were getting into by marrying so they have to care for their kids on their own." sort of way.

Yeah, I get so sick of these delusional fucks. You're "fee-fee's" don't make you another gender. Gender dysphoria is just a mental sickness, nothing physically real about it. Wish people get their heads out of Fantasia or wherever the hell they got this nonsense from. Or if they must continue believing in it, stop trying to make others participate in their falsehood. Believe whatever you like, but stop trying to rope others into your madness.

Not even 1 in a million. Even rarer than that. Of course, no one likes to mention that little tidbit. The vast majority of so-called intersex people are just those with mental health imbalances.

You also have the repeatability crisis in psychology where like 70-80% on experiments cannot be replicated. Which essentially means most, if not all of it is fake.
I'm just going to leave this here . . .
 

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It's wish fulfillment. Most humans, except asexual ones, have a biological drive to find mates. However, many people don't feel fulfilled in their present circumstances.
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While I won't be one to be cynical as many on the concept of love that we decided to devolve ourselves into on this thread. I'm going to get into the actual point raised by the OP.

They do it because it's established, it gets views because you get to use the romance genre/tag, and they likely want to give the mc a girl to love.

It should be considered easy since there's plenty of examples to go off of that these authors likely have read here. Of course that's a double edged sword since there's also plenty of bad examples that even I am guilty of reading. The second point speaks for itself. And finally, while I can be happy for someone writing what they want to write. That doesn't mean they're good at what they want to do. Combine that with the fact we're loaded with amateur authors who are doing this to have fun and please themselves for motivation and that's how we got to this point.
 

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It's all right. Yet somehow I'm the one people think is making this place meaner. Hopefully you did get some good responses to your question so far.
Yeah I saw when Zirrboy or whoever said that. Don't feel bad. Before you, it was me that they said was the "bad guy". I've just become less active so I suppose someone had to take up the mantle.
I'm just going to leave this here . . .
And also I forgot to mention this in my prior response to you...but you posted a twitter link...as part of your stance? Wow. I can't even think of where to start on explaining how amazingly absurd that was, or just laugh and ignore it. I mean, of all sites, you chose Twitter. I'd love to say you MUST be from California but then that would be an overgeneralization and I tend to forget people with absurd arguments can be found anywhere.

I literally overlooked it being a twitter link at first, probably because I was too amused by it to accept you were being serious.
 
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I like how this devolved into discussion about the concept of marriage itself. Romance is there because it gets people interested, unfortunately authors usually fuck it up with whatever fantasy they have of it(I am not exempt from this)
 

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And also I forgot to mention this in my prior response to you...but you posted a twitter link...as part of your stance? Wow. I can't even think of where to start on explaining how amazingly absurd that was, or just laugh and ignore it. I mean, of all sites, you chose Twitter. I'd love to say you MUST be from California but then that would be an overgeneralization and I tend to forget people with absurd arguments can be found anywhere.

I literally overlooked it being a twitter link at first, probably because I was too amused by it to accept you were being serious.
If I wasn't being mentally and physically drained by my baby, I would have a lot more to say on the topic. As it stands, I only have enough energy and time to post memes.
 

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I'd say it's far too early for any unbiased survey on trans population percentage. The current culture more or less sings it as a virtue, and it's become part of the main holy script across most feminist churches with exceptions like TERFs. When the gender war ceases and the lack of propaganda creates a better field study environment, then we'll get the real numbers like we have with left-handedness.

So, centuries away, really.
 

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If I wasn't being mentally and physically drained by my baby, I would have a lot more to say on the topic. As it stands, I only have enough energy and time to post memes.
I'm just going to have to file this away because left-handed ness is just a weird flex. Really? a Left-hand chart? That's just a really weird attempt at a mental health comparison. It's barely even vaguely similar. Doesn't confirm anything. It's not even a proper comparison. People choose to be "non-binary" or "trans". They weren't born so. People born with a dominant left hand didn't choose for their left hand to be dominant. They can choose to use the other hand or be forced to if that fits your take better, but they were still born with the left hand being dominant. This is incompatible as a comparison with trans/nonbinary. Just because some guy says they were born feeling like a woman, and that they never "felt right" as a man, doesn't mean they aren't a man. Gender dysphoria is a strange mental health disease that's being swept under the rug by "social heroes" and politicians who just want a cause to fight for (and votes), you know, instead of actual causes in need of heroes, like gay people and their rights and treatment. Or hell, Feminists are all about "fighting for eachother", but are always quiet when it's concerning areas of the world where women actually are unequal (Middle East for example), instead of the bullshit feminist crap about America (like the pay gap), which is faulty, incorrect, and based on assumptions that have been disproven by people far smarter than me.

I see the comparison you're trying to make...but don't. How they "feel" doesn't change what they are. Neither does having a "corrective surgery". I wouldn't have a problem with it either way or even care, but you see, they seem to want to force others to think and say as they do and shame those who refuse. See, thats a conflict with free speech. They already have a mental health problem, but now they want to gaslight everyone else into pretending it's natural? No, it's not. Clearly you've been convinced that it is and that's sad, but that's you. Keep it to yourself. And validating it by saying "you go girl!" doesn't fix their problem, you just enable it and they bury it deeper because the problem wasn't solved. It's like telling an alcoholic they aren't an alcoholic until even they believe they aren't, even as they head to the ABC store to buy another bottle. But again, if I can be called "bigot" or whatever ist/ism word of the day they can come up with, then they can deal with me calling them "walking delusional mental health hazards."


It's only fair. Unless free speech doesn't matter anymore?

Also Fun fact: Left-handed men live 11 years less on average than right-handed men while left-handed women live 9 years less on average than left-handed women. Just read that. Wonder if its true.
 
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I know everyone has their own genres they like and do well in so they won’t be good in everything but why do some just make the things their bad at a major point in their stories?

for challenge and variety. Authors are people too, they get bored if they do the same thing a lot and it's easy.
 

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Society traditionally puts marriage up on a pedestal as dogma. It used to be more necessary for people to come together in order to support each other but with our technological advancements and the population bursting,it is no longer a priority to have romantic experience to write about a popular topic like romance. It goes without saying that many people IRL are now lonely and isolated due to the internet and it's impacts on social interaction which is why romance IS popular. People are in love with the idea of being in love.

exactly. however, that idea is a delusion. That's why most marriages end in divorce.

"The fastest way to kill love is to reciprocate it"- Nietzsche


Also, on a side note. Nice shitstorm in the thread.

Though frankly speaking, I'm a bit sick of transgender 'debate'. I wish people would stop getting irked about this topic that most of the time is of zero relevance to them, and move to more engaging subjects.
I mean, think about it. You're getting rustled over less than 1% minority and writing countless paragraphs about it, and dare I say, not for the first time in your life. Some of you might have been doing it for years, if not decades. I'm sensing the "I've done it 500 times and grew increasingly proficient at it" attitude.
 

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why do some just make the things their bad at a major point in their stories?

As a mercenary, I am uniquely qualified to answer this question.

I am primarily a science fantasy writer. I quit uni because I felt like I'd make a miserable pharmacist, and noticed that I'd be drowning in student debt if I decided to complete the path to becoming a psychologist, so I decided to make money off of my words as a ghost writer (a big mistake, but one that I was too stubborn to give up on I mooched and skated by for two years, but I figured out how to sustain my self within that time). Last year, I serviced exactly one science fantasy client. Almost all the rest was porn and romance and SEO articles (mostly SEO articles, it isn't sex that sells, it's sales that sells).

I had to shift my talents towards the most wanted fields or starve, so I did. Eventually I got good at it because I had to. Some authors are desperate enough for feedback or even just attention that they'll grasp the low hanging fruit of romance because they know that at least someone will read them.

For a certain class of author, views are air. What lengths are you willing to go to for a few extra breaths?

You mean how marriage is nothing but a ceremony for the woman to gain ownership of your future financial assets if she one day decides she's "not happy" anymore? Oh, and how divorce courts will back the woman's rape and molestation of the man's net worth, future social and professional prospects as long as she puts on a little water works show in trial? And probably even without the crying. Courts just won't defend a man against a woman.

That's a reductionist take on the topic, though it does have some truth to it in some situations due to gender norms clashing with social progress. There have been women that exploit their partners through our antiquated marriage system just like there's women who kill their husbands for insurance money. Such incidents are horrible, and they should be curbed, but they don't happen as often as the most vocal people would say they do, and it's far from the only negative scenario. Marriage has and still is more commonly a tool of oppression against women than men, especially in non-Western countries.

Love exists regardless with or without marriage, but marriage functions absolutely functions as a financial contract.

True to an extent. Marriage is also a step many mushy gushy naiive couples take because they hold ultra-traditionalist views or are just really sentimental. Incentives exist beyond the financial even if financial (and therefore, survival) influences represent a strong undercurrent behind a couple's decision to jump the broom.

At least by the mainstream authors, who submit to that improper narrative for the sakes of sales, and sticking with the group. Degeneracy has been weaponized through the prospect of profits, and authors want a share of that wealth even if that wealth will come to being a vital risk to another.

Yes. Yes. And more yes, I am very guilty of this, see my response to Root.

That said, good romance either requires a good imagination coupled with high emotional intelligence and/or an extensive IRL experience to draw from, so to be an effective writer you'll kinda have to do like an artist does when drawing a tree and spend 70% of your time observing that tree (socialising) and 30% of the time actually drawing (writing).

Agreed. The same elements of tension, growth, mystery, and climax/catharsis found in other plots needs to be present in romance plots for them to be interesting, too many authors confuse shipping with romance, and that is where they fail. As someone who got good at romance before getting okay-ish at handling real relationships, however, I can state with absolute confidence that you don't need to socialize to grind romance exp. You just have to read other books in the genre and dissect them, you can do the same for the millitary, western, and other niche "hard" to write genres.

As an aside: a lot of the discussion regarding what romance and marriage means has users trying to force a solid interpretation through that should be accepted as the standard from which all other viewpoints spring.

This is incredibly silly.

Say hi to Elphelt.

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Because Elphelt is an artificial being designed to feel human emotions too well, she fell madly in love with the idea of love, despite love being forbidden for her. Because she doesn't get out much, she sees marriage as the ultimate expression of love, so she wants to get married. She doesn't seem to care much about the "who" part of the equation.

You can not, and will not convince Elphelt of a different interpretation of marriage. If you tried, she'd brush you off, use logical fallacies, explain things from a completely alien point of reference than yours, and she might even cry until you give up. Then you'd probably end up married to her. If she had the mind to do it, she could force you.

The "meaning" behind marriage is subjective, and you cannot nail down a subjective standard, you can only state the number of variations and make assumptions about how much influence they held/hold for a certain time period, culture, or situation. Even if you logos and pathos hard enough to get most people to agree to one, it'll drift in a matter of days or years or generations.
 
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That's a reductionist take on the topic, though it does have some truth to it in some situations due to gender norms clashing with social progress. There have been women that exploit their partners through our antiquated marriage system just like there's women who kill their husbands for insurance money. Such incidents are horrible, and they should be curbed, but they don't happen as often as the most vocal people would say they do, and it's far from the only negative scenario. Marriage has and still is more commonly a tool of oppression against women than men, especially in non-Western countries.
While I would agree with you when concerning non-Western countries, when its regarding western society, specifically America, I think Discount is completely correct. Marriage in America does heavily favor women, and courts do almost always rule in favor of the woman. Their are even statistics and studies that confirm this.
 
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