A shower thought

[Agentt]

Imagine a world, where the entirety of population is highly educated in their respective fields, ie. everyone has atleast a masters degree in the subject of their preference.

And also imagine that this world has just the right amount of job opportunities, so that everyone can easily get a job in their preferred fields.

In such a world, how different would be the salaries of unskilled workers(like janitors, minors, masons) from our worlld.

My first thought was that it would probably be huge, since there is now such scarcity of janitors, they should be very expensive.

But then i realized that it is not very practical for, let's say an elementary school, to hire such an expensive janitor.

Then i thought that such an educated population would surely be advanced enough to mass produce robots for such petty works.

But then I realized, production of robots is impossible without minors to mine ore, or masons to make factories.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Imagine a world, where the entirety of population is highly educated in their respective fields, ie. everyone has atleast a masters degree in the subject of their preference.

And also imagine that this world has just the right amount of job opportunities, so that everyone can easily get a job in their preferred fields.

In such a world, how different would be the salaries of unskilled workers(like janitors, minors, masons) from our worlld.

My first thought was that it would probably be huge, since there is now such scarcity of janitors, they should be very expensive.

But then i realized that it is not very practical for, let's say an elementary school, to hire such an expensive janitor.

Then i thought that such an educated population would surely be advanced enough to mass produce robots for such petty works.

But then I realized, production of robots is impossible without minors to mine ore, or masons to make factories.

MinEr, not MinOr. Jesus, imagining child labor isn't difficult but dang it, massive sad.

For more context:
1. I fucked a miner: I am gay for exploring the plums of a stout, bearded man.
2. I fucked a minor: Statutory rape.

 

[Agentt]

MinEr, not MinOr. Jesus, imagining child labor isn't difficult but dang it, massive sad.

For more context:
1. I fucked a miner: I am gay for exploring the plums of a stout, bearded man.
2. I fucked a minor: Statutory rape.

Whoopsie.

I think i won't correct it tho, just for shits and giggles

 

[Poleg]

MinEr, not MinOr. Jesus, imagining child labor isn't difficult but dang it, massive sad.

For more context:
1. I fucked a miner: I am gay for exploring the plums of a stout, bearded man.
2. I fucked a minor: Statutory rape.

'' I fucked a minor''
- NotaNuffan, Silvester 2021.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

it is not very practical for, let's say an elementary school, to hire such an expensive janitor

Japanese schools don't employ janitors. They use minors (unlike mines like you seem to imagine)

production of robots is impossible without minors to mine ore, or masons to make factories.

Well, that advanced society would have to come from somewhere. If they have computer programmers, then they have computers, then they have factories to build said computers etc.
Unless they are my imaginary elves who are all max level hoboneets despite being super skilled
(see this thread for more on the elves)

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Imagine a world, where the entirety of population is highly educated in their respective fields, ie. everyone has atleast a masters degree in the subject of their preference.

And also imagine that this world has just the right amount of job opportunities, so that everyone can easily get a job in their preferred fields.

In such a world, how different would be the salaries of unskilled workers(like janitors, minors, masons) from our worlld.

My first thought was that it would probably be huge, since there is now such scarcity of janitors, they should be very expensive.

But then i realized that it is not very practical for, let's say an elementary school, to hire such an expensive janitor.

Then i thought that such an educated population would surely be advanced enough to mass produce robots for such petty works.

But then I realized, production of robots is impossible without minors to mine ore, or masons to make factories.

it wouldnt be much different. Those jobs already pay well. Why? Because no one wants to do them. They would be paid even more in a world like that. There would be very little incentive to do menial tasks like that in a world where most people are very highly educated. so actually...those jobs may be paid even more? It depends on a lot of factors. If it's an equal opportunity system, or if its more like a slave caste system.
A lot of these dirty jobs require a lot of PRACTICAL skill, you have to understand.

Working at oil rigs for example are very dangerous and are considered labor jobs, but they're paid well specifically because of the danger involved. My dad used to work at a mine, and he was paid very well because of that.

You may not be paid much for janitorial jobs at, like a school, but there are plenty of other dirty and high labor jobs required for the sustainability of mankind that require high pay as incentive.

A lot of them are learn as you go, sure, but that doesn't mean they are any less required. My father, again, ever took school for plumbing, electrical or carpentry but he learned it from DOING the job so he has high skill and experience that can be put on a resume and that means he'd be paid much more at jobs needing such skills.

That said, I totally didn't read the robot portion of your post so I can say this : Robots past the first couple generation can totally replace all of our workforce. Mining and and masonry would be the same

It really depends on how high the technology of your world is. Even now, we can do away with more labor jobs. Within the next 30 years, maybe all labor jobs can be replaced

 

[Ruriha]

I swear I saw this thread on NUF... Also, the last point is moot to consider. Supposing the quality of the world, you'd think mining and assemblage of robots is already fully automated by AI.

 

[Agentt]

I swear I saw this thread on NUF...

Shuuuuu, you are dreaming
I'll give you 5 nu to shut it

 

[Amok]

A paper with some fancy squiggles on it means jack shit if the food runs out. Any human with a fancy paper will scrub feces from porcelain or flip burgers if no one else is hiring. A world that has job posts for all physicists and all literature grads and all physiotherapists would need full-out automation and a shitload or redundacy---not everyone is going to be productive, is what I'm saying; so you'll need a very utopian system to make up for that.

In an economy where everyone is educated to an extent(some degrees teach you less than binging youtube on a wide variety of topics during the same time period imo, so educated is relative) there will be competition for the top jobs and so many might end up swinging some dead-end office job which has nothing much to do with their studied subject of choice.

Then again, we see this in the real world: Plumbers and electricians tend to rake in a shitton of cash in many countries, sometimes making more than a uni grad who has to contend with all kinda debts. The modern university shies away from 'base subjects of study' such as plumbing and house maintenance, so these folk, if they got the brains and know-how, end up studying somewhere teaching them practical skills, probably at lesser cost than unies. If they stick with it and prosper, they can be successful business-wise in 5-12 years I'd say.

So in a world where everyone has a paper, but where manual and practical labor is required, I'd say folk would start classing their papers on a scale of validity, with those being 'lesser' in diploma and those having none at all(whether through choice, circumstance, or governmental censure) taking up the posts of tractor drivers, street cleaners, wastefolk, fruit pickers, miners, fishers etc. Pretty much how things are today tbh.

Then again, with the right amount of fancy robots and authoritarian population control, anything is possible.

 

[BlackKnightX]

Then i thought that such an educated population would surely be advanced enough to mass produce robots for such petty works.

My thought exactly!

But then I realized, production of robots is impossible without minors to mine ore, or masons to make factories.

Well, duh. That’s before you make a robot, you have to put in the work, but after you build some, you can just leave everything to the robots.

 

[Agentt]

Well, duh. That’s before you make a robot, you have to put in the work, but after you build some, you can just leave everything to the robots.

Just imagine these people appeared out of thin air, i guess?

 

[TroubleFait]

MinEr, not MinOr. Jesus, imagining child labor isn't difficult but dang it, massive sad.

Never heard about reare-earth metal mines in places like Congo?
Because, well, many of the miners are minors.

 

[BlackKnightX]

Just imagine these people appeared out of thin air, i guess?

They already exist, don’t they? And apparently they’re very good at what they do.

 

[peelsdeeni]

But then I realized, production of robots is impossible without minors to mine ore, or masons to make factories.

MinEr, not MinOr. Jesus, imagining child labor isn't difficult but dang it, massive sad.

I-I'm a minor. But-but I work. For like, 7-8 hours depending on how busy the day is. Oh wait no, I'm from a family of Chinese people. Nvm I guess.

But I gotta say, I feel like that could be the plot of some dystopian world originally disguised as a utopia world.

 

[T.K._Paradox]

I swear I saw this thread on NUF... Also, the last point is moot to consider. Supposing the quality of the world, you'd think mining and assemblage of robots is already fully automated by AI.

What is NUF?

 

[Cipiteca396]

Imagine a world, where the entirety of population is highly educated in their respective fields, ie. everyone has atleast a masters degree in the subject of their preference.

And also imagine that this world has just the right amount of job opportunities, so that everyone can easily get a job in their preferred fields.

In such a world, how different would be the salaries of unskilled workers(like janitors, minors, masons) from our worlld.

Tbh, I have a hard time imagining people getting paid at all in this scenario. Economy is based on supply and demand. If you have an infinite supply and an infinite demand, then money becomes meaningless. They would work because they enjoyed it, and everything would just keep rolling on. Literally the utopian ideal.

Robots probably are the answer though. Presumably there are enough people who would want a masters degree in robotics, and after enough time they would create robots capable of doing all the labor(that wasn't done by people who enjoyed those jobs).

What is NUF?

Deez NUFs. (Novel Updates Forum, this site's sister site.)

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Tbh, I have a hard time imagining people getting paid at all in this scenario. Economy is based on supply and demand. If you have an infinite supply and an infinite demand, then money becomes meaningless. They would work because they enjoyed it, and everything would just keep rolling on. Literally the utopian ideal.

Robots probably are the answer though. Presumably there are enough people who would want a masters degree in robotics, and after enough time they would create robots capable of doing all the labor(that wasn't done by people who enjoyed those jobs).

Deez NUFs. (Novel Updates Forum, this site's sister site.)

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[Agentt]

parent

No, it really would be a sister site, an onee sama one. Both have same parent, Tony, and are independent of each other

 

[CupcakeNinja]

No, it really would be a sister site, an onee sama one. Both have same parent, Tony, and are independent of each other

Hmmm....Alright. I'll allow it.

 

[RepresentingCaution]

I think it would work if everyone was required to do 10 hours a week of community service. By that, I mean any kind of work that is essential to a functional society. Much of this work can be done by robots, but the government will determine what else is needed. Highly skilled people, the best of the best, can simply do 10 unpaid hours of the thing they do best, such as engineering. It would be a blend of socialism and capitalism. Working 10 hours a week gives you the right to an apartment and enough money to feed and clothe yourself. Public transportation is free. Healthcare is free. If you want to buy luxury items, you can apply for extra community service or do something you love doing. Play music, make chocolate, cut hair, decorate homes. Basic renovation and home repairs will fall under community service, but if you want something custom, you've gotta earn the extra money to hire someone.

Pregnant people and parents of children under 3 will be exempt from community service. In fact, the government may assign someone to assist a parent who does not have a partner. A highly skilled parent might be requested to work and given multiple assistants for childcare, but it will still be their choice. They are not to be bribed with extra money and should only work if they are intrinsically motivated to do so.

Everyone's time will be worth the same when it comes to community service. Government officials do not get extra money. They ride the train to work like everyone else. Wages for non-essential functions may vary.