Quantity vs Quality 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Okay, so I've seen complaints in reviews about how a series isn't detailed enough, how it reads as if the story is a summary of the actual story. And some series, though it happens far less, some series have complaints in the reviews about how there's too much written without anything actually happening.

I feel that my writing falls in the camp of not being detailed enough. But first let's talk about the pros and cons of each and the possible reasons for them.

Why do some people write so little? I think it has to do with a combination of a writer's tastes in reading and their intent, which could basically be summed up into the same thing. Some writers really want to capture the moment, writing at least 1 or 2 paragraphs for it, while some others may want to simply describe it in one sentence. Then there comes the question of is over or under detailed better? Is there a perfect medium? But sadly the answer is the same as with most things, it depends. For important moments you want it to be detailed to give it more weight. But for words you have to write to get from point A to point B you want to write as little as possible. So then how do you decide what is and isn't important? That's where the writer's tastes and intent comes into play!

Summary writers may favor things like an interesting or twisty plot with a bunch of flourishes and "What the hows!?". While detailed writers are more interested in things like scenery and other physical descriptions. I'll cite Tolkien as one of them. Most novelists are taught (either by someone else or by themselves) that the detailed way is to go since it's such common convention. But my favorite authors are the ones who find that perfect middle point. I want to say Stephen King is one of those perfect writers, but some may say he was also too detailed in his writing. But to me, I thought it was just the perfect amount. This may only be me, but I think as the years pass by less and less people are writing in the overly detailed style. I'm talking about books released in the last 10 years.

What was my point again? I'm sorry. I often forget my point while I'm explaining it. Oh yes! Most writers aren't one or the other type. Like discovery writers or planners most writers that are at least semi-experienced are somewhere between the two. Where do you think you are? Are you comfortable with where you are? Do you have any other thoughts on the subject?
 
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When it comes to writing detailed scenes, I suppose you'd have to compare that instance with another. So where is the base line to tell us what is over or under?
 

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I might've lost brain cells. A summary for people coming later:

Are you a detail oriented writer or one that prefers getting from point A to point B in the plot quickly?

I like that latter because i think less is more in writing. leaves more to the imagination. That and i have no expectation of quality descriptions.

Edit: @Scribbler you need to learn how to write more concisely.
 
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When it comes to writing detailed scenes, I suppose you'd have to compare that instance with another. So where is the base line to tell us what is over or under?
I don't think it's something that can be told or answered. It is something one can only learn themselves once they have read enough.
I might've lost brain cells. A summary for people coming later:

Are you a detail oriented writer or one that prefers getting from point A to point B in the plot quickly?

I like that latter because i think less is more in writing. leaves more to the imagination. That and i have no expectation of quality descriptions.

Edit: @Scribbler you need to learn how to write more concisely.
Quite the cheek.
 

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Personally I feel my third newest novel and my second work are much more in that middle ground. While I feel my first work is a lot more fun in its chaos, its also more barebones for now.

And I think its due to the characters. The second novel is third person, giving me freedom to write more, go off on interesting little tangents about the character' experiences.

The third first person but the character is simpler and normal. I can write her thoughts better and clearer since she sorta feels a lot more real than the others.

The first novel is also first person but the main character is so hectic. He doesn't think like a normal person and is prone to impulse. I mean its hard to explain and you won't get it unless you read the story, but yeah.

Although his character means you can have a lot more fun since he is so unrestrained, its not a story you can enjoy unless you turn off your brain.

So by all this, I'm trying to say I feel your character has a lot to do with how you present the world. Their personalities and what kinds POV you use, I think, are the main determinators on how easy or hard it will be to find the middle ground.
 
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If you're talking about the number of heavily descriptive writers in the past versus now, then I can't really say that it's really changed in any meaningful way, just that your views are heavily biases.

The entire reason why descriptive writing became popular in the past was because authors were often paid by the word, so it was much easier to just write like 10 pages of one or two scenes described in every detail the writers can get away with, rather than just finish the entire story in two or three magazines and risk not having their next story being picked up on the next one.

This trend still exists today, on sites that prioritize on word count over other metrics when it comes to pushing readership. I hear it's considered a big issue on lots of chinese novel sites, as they tend to rely on that metric quite a bit.

That said:
I don't think it's something that can be told or answered. It is something one can only learn themselves once they have read enough.

Why start a thread and pose a question when you just shit on people responding to you earnestly like their opinion doesn't matter?

For that matter, how does this thread even connect with the previous one you just made earlier? Considering the title, I thought it was at least supposed to be somewhat connected, but your post had no indication that it did. In fact, your question doesn't even have any connection to quality at all.
 

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If you're talking about the number of heavily descriptive writers in the past versus now, then I can't really say that it's really changed in any meaningful way, just that your views are heavily biases.

The entire reason why descriptive writing became popular in the past was because authors were often paid by the word, so it was much easier to just write like 10 pages of one or two scenes described in every detail the writers can get away with, rather than just finish the entire story in two or three magazines and risk not having their next story being picked up on the next one.

This trend still exists today, on sites that prioritize on word count over other metrics when it comes to pushing readership. I hear it's considered a big issue on lots of chinese novel sites, as they tend to rely on that metric quite a bit.

That said:


Why start a thread and pose a question when you just shit on people responding to you earnestly like their opinion doesn't matter?

For that matter, how does this thread even connect with the previous one you just made earlier? Considering the title, I thought it was at least supposed to be somewhat connected, but your post had no indication that it did. In fact, your question doesn't even have any connection to quality at all.
You know, people don't very much like people who only contradict others.

It's my opinion.

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Hmmm, I would say, I'm mostly a concise writer with occasional descriptive scenes.

In my opinion, it's one of the most powerful stylistic devices to create tension. A good story is concise were it is due and where not.
 
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