Publishing chapters without an outline horrifies me, now.

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Seriously, I do not understand how people publish chapters on the fly. I get all tingly with my plot-holed drafts, so I would like to finish a novel first, revise it again and again (perfectionism, I know) before publishing it. Are you one of those "wing-it" guys, too?

Also, may I address how other people work with multiple novels simultaneously? I do not understand them either, or maybe I am the strange one here. I prefer focusing on one thing since my brain does not have any space left. I used to be a pantser—now I find outlining more comfortable.
 
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I think some of us have encountered that part. I tried to write on the go with the Lost Souls, Shrouded in Darkness. However the reason why I stopped that story was because I felt like there were too many plotholes before I could even get to the end.

I don't think you're the strange one, cause it can be hard to multitask (work on several different stories).

I think some publish it on the fly because it feels natural for them to write on the go. Others just want to get the chapter out there and don't really care about the plotholes first. Some are just confident in how they write. Many things.
 

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Seriously, I do not understand how people publish chapters on the fly. I get all tingly with my plot-holed drafts, so I would like to finish a novel first, revise it again and again (perfectionism, I know) before publishing it. Are you one of those "wing-it" guys, too?

Also, may I address how other people work with multiple novels simultaneously? I do not understand them either, or maybe I am the strange one here. I prefer focusing on one thing since my brain does not have any space left. I used to be a pantser—now I find outlining more comfortable.
Yes, I am one of those wing it guys.
Yes, I am also the person who writes multiple novels simultaneously.
I just get too excited that I dream about the plot.
As for revisions, I just check for grammar and all.
 
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Yes, I am one of those wing it guys.
Yes, I am also the person who writes multiple novels simultaneously.
I just get too excited that I dream about the plot.
As for revisions, I just check for grammar and all.
Hello wingman :D
 

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I completed my novel and I am publishing it as I rewrite and edit the chapters. (y)

Uh, except the smut story of mine, but that was a just a forum joke story. I wing it with that one.
 
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If I am a wingman, who is the main hero?
Who is the main protagonist of my life?!
ANSWER ME!!!
the Best man?
Dog. In where the protagonist and side character is switched around. :D
 

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Yes am also winging it, I pretty much write, upload and publish on the fly. I think writing and getting feedback also helps with developing the story. Making some unplanned changes as well, and then figuring out how the change affects the story.
 

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Seriously, I do not understand how people publish chapters on the fly. I get all tingly with my plot-holed drafts, so I would like to finish a novel first, revise it again and again (perfectionism, I know) before publishing it. Are you one of those "wing-it" guys, too?

Also, may I address how other people work with multiple novels simultaneously? I do not understand them either, or maybe I am the strange one here. I prefer focusing on one thing since my brain does not have any space left. I used to be a pantser—now I find outlining more comfortable.
Depends how serious the work is taken really. Myself, I have to ensure to have my work accurately planned. Since the elements along with the plot are usually complex. I also don’t release my work until it is completed and have undergone thorough editing. If I am working on a side story. I will have that one precisely planned as well. This does two things. One, it prevents me from accident mixing plot lines, and it is well structured to an end goal.

I have done 19 short stories(roughly) at the time of doing my main works. On top of that, completed two novellas at the time of revising my main works. Along the way each has been planned carefully. Allowing me to focus on whichever is on at the moment. I also keep myself consistent. A strong planning also allows me to keep consistent with my main work. It also eliminated most if not all plot holes. Since my main works are strongly tied together, they end up filling in the blank for each other. As well as constantly connecting points.

Even after I am done, I still end up going back and revising my works. The point is to clean it up as much as I can. By doing all of this, I can simply ignore readers questions. Since their answers are nearby, or will come at some point down the line. It even creates a scenario where I know every instance of my works, and can simply lead them on until they reach the point. A lot comes easier when given the time to plan.

Though, like anything else. It takes discipline. I used to just write. However, when I started disciplining myself to plan, to be patient, to work as accurately as I can. Not only my abilities improved, but the work I pushed out as well.
 
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While I tend to finish a single volume before starting another, I always keep another story so that I can have a change of pace whenever I'm taking a break on my main work.

Self-discipline and advanced planning is the key.
If I am a wingman, who is the main hero?
Who is the main protagonist of my life?!
ANSWER ME!!!
You are the wingman, yet the hero.

"I'm the Wingman of my Story, but I Decided to become a Hero Anyway"
 

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While I tend to finish a single volume before starting another, I always keep another story so that I can have a change of pace whenever I'm taking a break on my main work.

Self-discipline and advanced planning is the key.

You are the wingman, yet the hero.

"I'm the Wingman of my Story, but I Decided to become a Hero Anyway"
Lol, that's actually the plot of my work.
 

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Seriously, I do not understand how people publish chapters on the fly. I get all tingly with my plot-holed drafts, so I would like to finish a novel first, revise it again and again (perfectionism, I know) before publishing it. Are you one of those "wing-it" guys, too?

Also, may I address how other people work with multiple novels simultaneously? I do not understand them either, or maybe I am the strange one here. I prefer focusing on one thing since my brain does not have any space left. I used to be a pantser—now I find outlining more comfortable.
We're the same. I complete my novels by the volume before slowly publishing them online. I don't have the patience to keep revising everything until it's perfect though, but I do a pass or two over the whole volume while editing.

I personally don't like pantsing (I can't imagine doing it too) because in my experiences with doing that with a collab work before, we wrote ouorselves into a hole or a wall. Going back to retcon stuff would be too much of a rewrite for me to want to do it. I guess we're very, very similar minus the perfectionism part. You're definitely not weird, but I guess that's quite a biased take lol. Because we're similar.

I want things to be of the best possible quality, but if it's too much work to make everything perfect, decent to cohesive would do for me.

On another note, I can't write multiple novels too. Guess it comes with my personality of being "loyal" to something I do. I want something finished or for me to get sick of it before moving. Just like in video games. It's really hard for me to switch games that I have grown to love for years while a lot of my friends just quickly jump into the new "what's hot" games when everyone starts playing.
 

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I.... I don't know how to outline anything, even my own life. I just let everything take its course that people say that I have talent to 'wing it' at everything I do but to be honest.

I don't even know how everything works. Just living is already too crazy for me that I had to shut down my brain just to stay sane or I might commit mass genocide out of pure insanity.

As a kid, I once made an outline of my life, like I wrote what I'll do in just one day of my weekend. Then.... I got stuck in a week at a hospital the next moment and my dad told me that I got hit by truck-sama after trying to jog at the early morning as what my outline did. I-it just happen and I didn't even expect that....

Next, every skill which I speed run everything than others is only because I just wing it without planning. I actually once outline my drawings one time but i keep making mistakes that one wing it moment was the most satisfying thing I did. And I could only stop outlining everything because everything might drove me into madness....

Help me...

And also.... I multitask everything out of not being useless in my family because I'm surrounded by talented people and my dad once starve me due to being a useless child.... I just did everything just to satisfied my family and shut down any resistance because I knew...

I might not lived the next day....

I wanna die.....

Yet, I can't even outline my own death....

Help me....
 

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It's funny how this works-- I'm almost the same, most of everything that I write (except the smallest details) are part of some kind of outline, except that outline inevitably changes the more I write because nothing actually goes according to plan. Haha.

Also, I love outlining things to death, but sometimes my best works come out when I'm writing on the fly. :blob_neutral: ...you really just can't win. XD
 

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Seriously, I do not understand how people publish chapters on the fly. I get all tingly with my plot-holed drafts, so I would like to finish a novel first, revise it again and again (perfectionism, I know) before publishing it. Are you one of those "wing-it" guys, too?

Also, may I address how other people work with multiple novels simultaneously? I do not understand them either, or maybe I am the strange one here. I prefer focusing on one thing since my brain does not have any space left. I used to be a pantser—now I find outlining more comfortable.
Relatable.

As for writing novels simultaneously, it's difficult, but not impossible.
As for why, whenever I'm in the zone to write, there are times when i suddenly thought about a good story template, but it wasn't compatible with the one I'm currently writing. So i think, given the chance, i could probably do it simultaneously.

But no, even now I haven't publish any of my work lol
Right now I'm still filling the details for my novel. :blob_joy::blob_joy:
 

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...You people write?! That's surprising.

Hmm... creating an outline is the most logical start when creating a story. Nevertheless, there are some that create their outline after writing the story and then implementing some fixes on it. For beginners, they tend to write stories before their outline - and in which most cases, reasons why their story has a lot of plotholes and mistakes. Also, instead of publishing it on the internet, it's best to make it unlisted so you can read it anytime and point out mistakes yourself rather than having someone on the internet find it for you and mock you for your mistake. (Basically, learning the hard way without depending on someone outside... you know, think outside the box. :s_wink:)

If anyone out there has created something beautiful without having to start with an outline - then be proud! That's many ways that writing a story is for you - and you're improving vastly.

Multi-tasking for writing is an efficient way to use time but difficult to handle against those who are stressed, have a lot of complications, and don't know how to write solidly (you can't write a shit story as you multi-task). Also, you can't do multitasking if your hand is on one keyboard because writing two different things at the same time doesn't work. Thus, it is not multi-tasking, but wasting time on trying hard.

Anyhow, shouldn't people be learning English before generally publishing their own work? I mean, writing isn't a one-way path to discovering tricks and techniques in improving writing. You probably know this, but making an outline can be learned at a very early age in your English session! Logically speaking, different information to become better at writing is left in school for you to listen to.

That's all... now oke doke, good game well played - go do your leg day!
 
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I.... I don't know how to outline anything, even my own life. I just let everything take its course that people say that I have talent to 'wing it' at everything I do but to be honest.

I don't even know how everything works. Just living is already too crazy for me that I had to shut down my brain just to stay sane or I might commit mass genocide out of pure insanity.

As a kid, I once made an outline of my life, like I wrote what I'll do in just one day of my weekend. Then.... I got stuck in a week at a hospital the next moment and my dad told me that I got hit by truck-sama after trying to jog at the early morning as what my outline did. I-it just happen and I didn't even expect that....

Next, every skill which I speed run everything than others is only because I just wing it without planning. I actually once outline my drawings one time but i keep making mistakes that one wing it moment was the most satisfying thing I did. And I could only stop outlining everything because everything might drove me into madness....

Help me...

And also.... I multitask everything out of not being useless in my family because I'm surrounded by talented people and my dad once starve me due to being a useless child.... I just did everything just to satisfied my family and shut down any resistance because I knew...

I might not lived the next day....

I wanna die.....

Yet, I can't even outline my own death....

Help me....
Multitasking sucks, man. I cannot do that without going through the five stages of grief.
...You people write?! That's surprising.

Hmm... creating an outline is the most logical start when creating a story. Nevertheless, there are some that create their outline after writing the story and then implementing some fixes on it. For beginners, they tend to write stories before their outline - and in which most cases, reasons why their story has a lot of plotholes and mistakes. Also, instead of publishing it on the internet, it's best to make it unlisted so you can read it anytime and point out mistakes yourself rather than having someone on the internet find it for you and mock you for your mistake.

If anyone out there has created something beautiful without having to start with an outline - then be proud! That's many ways that writing a story is for you - and you're improving vastly.

Anyhow, shouldn't people be learning English before generally publishing their own work? I mean, writing isn't a one-way path to discovering tricks and techniques in improving writing. You probably know this, but making an outline can be learned at a very early age in your English session! Logically speaking, different information to become better at writing is left in school for you to listen.

That's all... now oke doke, good game well played - go do your leg day!
Those who can create best-selling novels without outlining are simply omniscient.
Yes am also winging it, I pretty much write, upload and publish on the fly. I think writing and getting feedback also helps with developing the story. Making some unplanned changes as well, and then figuring out how the change affects the story.
I would need to reach a certain level of masochism before I can do that.
 
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Seriously, I do not understand how people publish chapters on the fly. I get all tingly with my plot-holed drafts, so I would like to finish a novel first, revise it again and again (perfectionism, I know) before publishing it. Are you one of those "wing-it" guys, too?

Also, may I address how other people work with multiple novels simultaneously? I do not understand them either, or maybe I am the strange one here. I prefer focusing on one thing since my brain does not have any space left. I used to be a pantser—now I find outlining more comfortable.
I, potato man have something to say.
I too cannot understand how people can work with multiple novels simultaneously. If potato man were to try to attempt such a thing he might break his legs but that's besides the point. Not saying that multi-tasking is bad or anything.
 
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Depends how serious the work is taken really. Myself, I have to ensure to have my work accurately planned. Since the elements along with the plot are usually complex. I also don’t release my work until it is completed and have undergone thorough editing. If I am working on a side story. I will have that one precisely planned as well. This does two things. One, it prevents me from accident mixing plot lines, and it is well structured to an end goal.

I have done 19 short stories(roughly) at the time of doing my main works. On top of that, completed two novellas at the time of revising my main works. Along the way each has been planned carefully. Allowing me to focus on whichever is on at the moment. I also keep myself consistent. A strong planning also allows me to keep consistent with my main work. It also eliminated most if not all plot holes. Since my main works are strongly tied together, they end up filling in the blank for each other. As well as constantly connecting points.

Even after I am done, I still end up going back and revising my works. The point is to clean it up as much as I can. By doing all of this, I can simply ignore readers questions. Since their answers are nearby, or will come at some point down the line. It even creates a scenario where I know every instance of my works, and can simply lead them on until they reach the point. A lot comes easier when given the time to plan.

Though, like anything else. It takes discipline. I used to just write. However, when I started disciplining myself to plan, to be patient, to work as accurately as I can. Not only my abilities improved, but the work I pushed out as well.
I have only published one completed novel so far, but I deleted it. I commend you for going that far; I worry that my first novel will take too long. But, yeah, discipline and patience.
We're the same. I complete my novels by the volume before slowly publishing them online. I don't have the patience to keep revising everything until it's perfect though, but I do a pass or two over the whole volume while editing.

I personally don't like pantsing (I can't imagine doing it too) because in my experiences with doing that with a collab work before, we wrote ouorselves into a hole or a wall. Going back to retcon stuff would be too much of a rewrite for me to want to do it. I guess we're very, very similar minus the perfectionism part. You're definitely not weird, but I guess that's quite a biased take lol. Because we're similar.

I want things to be of the best possible quality, but if it's too much work to make everything perfect, decent to cohesive would do for me.

On another note, I can't write multiple novels too. Guess it comes with my personality of being "loyal" to something I do. I want something finished or for me to get sick of it before moving. Just like in video games. It's really hard for me to switch games that I have grown to love for years while a lot of my friends just quickly jump into the new "what's hot" games when everyone starts playing.
Guess I am overly patient, then.

Yeah, I get that "loyal" analogy of yours. I admit I have nine scrapped novels in my folder, and after being tired of jumping from one idea to another, I have found the beauty of singlemindedness.
 
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