Wuxia Fight Scenes

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So, if Xianxia, which many of us know and love to complain about, has fight scenes where people are throwing giant beams and rays and everyone's eventually fighting DBZ style after they reach a certain strength level....how do Wuxia fight scenes work?

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong cuz I may be, but Wuxia is basically realistic fighting yes? I mean, realistic in the vein of The Breaker or something where they use normal moves (no giant death beams/rays), that may or may not decapitate a guy.... But still, normal moves. Right? Like, a dude karate chops a car in half. He can't throw the next Kamehameha Wave/Haidoken-like attack like in a Xianxia, but he could possibly punch a hole in a steel grate.

So, if I'm right, (correct me if I'm wrong please), can I get examples of how to write a Wuxia fight scene?
 
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So, if Xianxia, which many of us know and love to complain about, has fight scenes where people are throwing giant beams and rays and everyone's eventually fighting DBZ style after they reach a certain strength level....how do Wuxia fight scenes work?

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong cuz I may be, but Wuxia is basically realistic fighting yes? I mean, realistic in the vein of The Breaker or something where they use normal moves (no giant death beams/rays), that may or may not decapitate a guy.... But still, normal moves. Right? Like, a dude karate chops a car in half. He can't throw the next Kamehameha Wave/Haidoken-like attack like in a Xianxia, but he could possibly punch a hole in a steel grate.

So, if I'm right, (correct me if I'm wrong please), can I get examples of how to write a Wuxia fight scene?

Well, by this logic, almost 100% of western-written cultivation-style novels (or at least the good ones) belong to the Wuxia category. That being the case, just check out one of them. Here is a fairly good one, if you can get past the MC's militant atheism stance.


I don't really want to give examples of my own cultivation story though. I just wrote it with a rough theme of cultivation as the power-scaling method without really considering which genre it fits into. If your take on wuxia is correct, then mine fits into that category perfectly. As such, I might describe my latest fight scene I'm writing now if somebody pops up and backs up your take on the definitions.
 

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Well, by this logic, almost 100% of western-written cultivation-style novels (or at least the good ones) belong to the Wuxia category. That being the case, just check out one of them. Here is a fairly good one, if you can get past the MC's militant atheism stance.


I don't really want to give examples of my own cultivation story though. I just wrote it with a rough theme of cultivation as the power-scaling method without really considering which genre it fits into. If your take on wuxia is correct, then mine fits into that category perfectly. As such, I might describe my latest fight scene I'm writing now if somebody pops up and backs up your take on the definitions.
Nope. Fuck that story. That MC is atrocious. Like I said in a review, if I want to read a political rant/memo, I'll read a political rant/memo. I won't however, read it in the midst of a novel with a millennial ape-for-brains MC waxing philosophical.

Please give me examples of yours if you don't mind and if its not too personal, perhaps PM me your idea of cultivation? I made an overly complicated LitRPG system...before I realized that it wasn't what I'm going for. I'm trying to make something like a Cultivation system without having to get deep into Eastern Mysticism. I mean I have access to some extremely dense book on the subject...but when I say dense, I mean dense. Like over 2000 pages of dense, and thats just one of the books.

I want something simpler, and of course, Western.
 
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No. Fuck that story.

Please give me examples of yours if you don't mind.

Alright. Well, it's a somewhat beginning-of-story level fight, but most of how it goes is that I have a rather detailed magic system that is partially based on D&D. I start off with a POV chapter explaining what one of the major side-characters are doing as the village they are living in is being attacked. You can think of this guy as something like a druid.

He starts off his pre-battle preparations casting a speed spell on himself, and another spell that turns his arm to wood. The wooden arm is in order to let it later receive other spells, the best of which is one called "greater control wood," which allows him to temporarily turn his arm into a stretch-arm that also has super strength having combined these two spells.

He uses this spell to quickly take out an enemy mage, then whips it about to knock two enemy warriors off their feet and those warriors are quickly taken out by the druid's comanions.

After this, he's running about to find the next battlefield and encounters another mage who just burned one of his allies to death. He rushes the mage while using his arm as a shield, and gets bathed in fire while he's charging. He then proceeds to win with a good old-fashioned ground-and-pound beat down. After this, he treats his wounds with a prepared healing item, using an excessive amount in the process because, in this tense situation, he doesn't have time for measurements.

After that, an enemy assassin with a bow finds him. He can't do anything about the enemy's range, so he runs off to the safe zone. His trip to the safe zone is a fight for survival in and of itself, and he winds up using most of his remaining significant resources in the process including the rest of his healing items, at which point the fact he'd overused it to treat his burns comes back to bite him a little. He just barely makes it to the safe-zone when one member of the main cast appears.

This is one of the main-cast showing off their power scenes, and the arrows shot at her literally shatter against her skin. At this point, she just runs at high speed at the enemy and tackles the guy and rips his throat out. (She has a divine beast style cultivation, which means she has the highest physical stats of anyone but doesn't have much in the way of magic or technique.)

In the meantime, the actual MC of the story is trying to work together with a dryad to utilize their power. The MC basically has a lot of mana but not much knowledge of how to make use of it, while the dryad has the ability to control all plant matter and needs the power and some direction in order to control it as well as extend the range of effect. They have worked out that the most efficient way to use their combined power would be to have the tree roots come up from the ground in order to trip up the enemy and then just allow the ally warriors to take out the downed enemies. After this side battle that took up the majority of the fight scene in order to set the stage, the MC puts the plan I just outlined into action.

So, basically, the idea is that the powers are more of a means to an end. There is more of a focus on ways in which the characters influence the battlefield rather than just showing off that someone is powerful. You need for there to be some sort of realistic demonstration of skill and cleverness in there somewhere. In order to do that, it's far more effective if you limit the characters' resources in some way.

In the case of the divine beast maind-cast character, she is likely the least limited among the cast, so she gets handled a little differently. She is outrageously powerful, but the divine beast she is based on is Amashilama, a divine leech from Mesopotamian lore. As such, she is incredibly durable and can heal, but there are very specific conditions to use her powers which make it more difficult to use. She also has a craving for blood, which creates it's own problems. And, in order to use her healing powers, she literally has to first drink blood and then vomit it back up again (acting in accordance with her legend from the lore.)
 
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Alright. Well, it's a somewhat beginning-of-story level fight, but most of how it goes is that I have a rather detailed magic system that is partially based on D&D. I start off with a POV chapter explaining what one of the major side-characters are doing as the village they are living in is being attacked. You can think of this guy as something like a druid.

He starts off his pre-battle preparations casting a speed spell on himself, and another spell that turns his arm to wood. The wooden arm is in order to let it later receive other spells, the best of which is one called "greater control wood," which allows him to temporarily turn his arm into a stretch-arm that also has super strength having combined these two spells.

He uses this spell to quickly take out an enemy mage, then whips it about to knock two enemy warriors off their feet and those warriors are quickly taken out by the druid's comanions.

After this, he's running about to find the next battlefield and encounters another mage who just burned one of his allies to death. He rushes the mage while using his arm as a shield, and gets bathed in fire while he's charging. He then proceeds to win with a good old-fashioned ground-and-pound beat down. After this, he treats his wounds with a prepared healing item, using an excessive amount in the process because, in this tense situation, he doesn't have time for measurements.

After that, an enemy assassin with a bow finds him. He can't do anything about the enemy's range, so he runs off to the safe zone. His trip to the safe zone is a fight for survival in and of itself, and he winds up using most of his remaining significant resources in the process including the rest of his healing items, at which point the fact he'd overused it to treat his burns comes back to bite him a little. He just barely makes it to the safe-zone when one member of the main cast appears.

This is one of the main-cast showing off their power scenes, and the arrows shot at her literally shatter against her skin. At this point, she just runs at high speed at the enemy and tackles the guy and rips his throat out. (She has a divine beast style cultivation, which means she has the highest physical stats of anyone but doesn't have much in the way of magic or technique.)

In the meantime, the actual MC of the story is trying to work together with a dryad to utilize their power. The MC basically has a lot of mana but not much knowledge of how to make use of it, while the dryad has the ability to control all plant matter and needs the power and some direction in order to control it as well as extend the range of effect. They have worked out that the most efficient way to use their combined power would be to have the tree roots come up from the ground in order to trip up the enemy and then just allow the ally warriors to take out the downed enemies. After this side battle that took up the majority of the fight scene in order to set the stage, the MC puts the plan I just outlined into action.
The stuff with the wood controlling sounds a bit magick-y though which isn't what I was looking for. I meant more like The Breaker and The Breaker: New Waves if you've read that. Or GOSU. But the rest of it is fairly close to something I could see in what I'm thinking of.
 
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Wuxia — to my knowledge — isn't about realistic fighting.
The martial arts aspect has a real world counterpart, but what they enable the characters to do doesn't need to be based off of reality.

Super strength, speed and flight are all very non realistic, but part of many Wuxia novels.
 

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Wuxia — to my knowledge — isn't about realistic fighting.
The martial arts aspect has a real world counterpart, but what they enable the characters to do doesn't need to be based off of reality.

Super strength, speed and flight are all very non realistic, but part of many Wuxia novels.
I described Wuxia as reaslistic fighting in the sense that its them doing genuine hand to hand fighting, but none of the energy/beams/waves whatever attacks like Xianxia. And none of the flying around fighting like in DBZ. At most, they would be superhuman as in punching holes in buildings or something. Like in The Breaker New Waves or GOSU.
 

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If you have those then why do you need examples?

Wuxia refers to a broad spectrum of stories, many of which don't even have martial arts fighting as core concept.

Overall, though:

Ancient Chinese martial arts. While I have no idea in how far this applies to actual practices irl, the concept in most books I've read is as follows.
A character practices manuals that have single or sets of moves. The later ones are a lot stronger, but have higher requirements (Cultivation, understanding, ...).

In battle, they execute the moves in order, following a kind of build up. Successively making the moves builds up momentum, meaning that the already passive opponent will get more pressured as it goes on, unless they have a move of their own to turn the tables.

On the other hand, moves are usually executed once (or in one onslaught) and can't be chained freely, meaning that enduring the opponents finisher and then striking them at their weakest is a working strategy.

You can spice it up with over the top reactions, like the ground caving in, people fainting (or even dying) from fear or being blown away.

Then there are a few things that aren't just power scaled fist/sword fights, but those might not be your thing.

Characters can use impractical weapons like fans or harmful acupuncture.
 

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Read real wuxia like The Deer and the Cauldron, The Legend of Condor Heroes, A Deadly Secret etc. Head over to Novelupdate, there are some real wuxias in there. (Use Wuxia genre, not Xianxia or Xuanhuan. Look for one with Historical genre too just to be safe.)


Jin Yong, classic wuxia author.
 

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If you have those then why do you need examples?

Wuxia refers to a broad spectrum of stories, many of which don't even have martial arts fighting as core concept.

Overall, though:

Ancient Chinese martial arts. While I have no idea in how far this applies to actual practices irl, the concept in most books I've read is as follows.
A character practices manuals that have single or sets of moves. The later ones are a lot stronger, but have higher requirements (Cultivation, understanding, ...).

In battle, they execute the moves in order, following a kind of build up. Successively making the moves builds up momentum, meaning that the already passive opponent will get more pressured as it goes on, unless they have a move of their own to turn the tables.

On the other hand, moves are usually executed once (or in one onslaught) and can't be chained freely, meaning that enduring the opponents finisher and then striking them at their weakest is a working strategy.

You can spice it up with over the top reactions, like the ground caving in, people fainting (or even dying) from fear or being blown away.

Then there are a few things that aren't just power scaled fist/sword fights, but those might not be your thing.

Characters can use impractical weapons like fans or harmful acupuncture.
They aren't written examples, that's why I need them.
Read real wuxia like The Deer and the Cauldron, The Legend of Condor Heroes, A Deadly Secret etc. Head over to Novelupdate, there are some real wuxias in there. (Use Wuxia genre, not Xianxia or Xuanhuan. Look for one with Historical genre too just to be safe.)


Jin Yong, classic wuxia author.
And thanks!! I don't know why I didn't think of him. I had to read The Legend Of The Condor Heroes for a uni class once. Damn how could I forget that!! I'm rereading it right now!!
 
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