Worse cliches to include in novels

[Dark_Phoenix_Zaetyk]

Some cliche done well can make a novel enjoyable while there those nightmare cliches that gives readers headaches and you definitely drop a novel because of them

 

[Deleted member 1244]

Not dropped, but more like a massive eye roll.

When meeting a random person, and that person is the heir or owner of a massive conglomerate or noble house.

 

[Dark_Phoenix_Zaetyk]

Not dropped, but more like a massive eye roll.

When meeting a random person, and that person is the heir or owner of a massive conglomerate or noble house.

Sigh this one is worse in those chinese harem novels

 

[Glitched]

Character just innately knowing to call system and when they do it appears.

Average Joe gets a harem.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

Game-like level system and floating status screens.

 

[NotaNuffian]

In Chinese novels that are designed for misunderstandings and underestimating MC, there will always be stuck up seniors.

Which is par for the course, but what made it worse for me was that:
A. the teachers who are supposed to help MC in furthering his study/ quest will always be one of the many and greatest roadblocks. As a teacher, they are supposed to help MC learn things, instead they will often refuse to teach MC anything, constantly downplay his achievements or even pass them to their favorite pet in class or straight up trying to get MC expelled or killed for even trying to do their best.
B. MC, upon being better than these teachers, can't kill them because of shitty Chinese traditions and these god-forbidden waste of space of teachers will abuse the hell out of it.

It is the same reason why I hated Death Mage Van did not straight up go and kill the reincarnated teacher. Not killing the bloody uncle and his wretched family is one thing (no choice), not killing this teacher who is a cunting bastard elitist fuck is another thing.

 

[ACertainPassingUser]

Some trends are popular and considered cliche.

Some trend are now already out of popularity and nobody would call it cliche anymore due to how rare it is used nowadays.

 

[Dark_Phoenix_Zaetyk]

Game-like level system and floating status screens.

I tried calling mine seems am not fated for the system

In Chinese novels that are designed for misunderstandings and underestimating MC, there will always be stuck up seniors.

Which is par for the course, but what made it worse for me was that:
A. the teachers who are supposed to help MC in furthering his study/ quest will always be one of the many and greatest roadblocks. As a teacher, they are supposed to help MC learn things, instead they will often refuse to teach MC anything, constantly downplay his achievements or even pass them to their favorite pet in class or straight up trying to get MC expelled or killed for even trying to do their best.
B. MC, upon being better than these teachers, can't kill them because of shitty Chinese traditions and these god-forbidden waste of space of teachers will abuse the hell out of it.

It is the same reason why I hated Death Mage Van did not straight up go and kill the reincarnated teacher. Not killing the bloody uncle and his wretched family is one thing (no choice), not killing this teacher who is a cunting bastard elitist fuck is another thing.

One thing that annoye me is the,Kill the young master/heir or whatever wannabe it is then the elder appears after finishing him the bloody ancestor appear .... there is a novel called invincible conquerer it has the most killed young masters,elders and those ancestors i have ever seen by mc

Some trends are popular and considered cliche.

Some trend are now already out of popularity and nobody would call it cliche anymore due to how rare it is used nowadays.

Some time i lurk in the websites to see if new flesh trends may appear only to be brutally slapped with the cliches i hate

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

I tried calling mine seems am not fated for the system

One thing that annoye me is the,Kill the young master/heir or whatever wannabe it is then the elder appears after finishing him the bloody ancestor appear .... there is a novel called invincible conquerer it has the most killed young masters,elders and those ancestors i have ever seen by mc

Some time i lurk in the websites to see if new flesh trends may appear only to be brutally slapped with the cliches i hate

I won't call mine. I'm human, not some game character cut-out.

 

[HelloHound]

those dumbass protagonists who would abruptly break up with someone because their self esteem is so goddamn low they couldn't imagine themselves as someone capable of being loved but instead of therapy I get to suffer for up to 40 chapters of misunderstandings and self pity

 

[DanielPotter]

How a person is described often tells me the type of novel that I'm reading, and this is prevalent in fanfictions. Whenever characters are introduced, and too much emphasis is put on their looks and how attractive they are, it's an instant turn off for me, especially concerning women.

Also, I don't know if it's got anything to do with age, but as I got older, I started to appreciate those MCs who are just average-looking and blend in instead of sticking out wherever they go. Yes, I like protagonists who don't get b***ches and are totally fine with it.

And while I do like overpowered protagonists, man I can't help but cringe whenever they're always outshining others.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

those dumbass protagonists who would abruptly break up with someone because their self esteem is so goddamn low they couldn't imagine themselves as someone capable of being loved but instead of therapy I get to suffer for up to 40 chapters of misunderstandings and self pity

Hey, don't shoot me! (The self-pity part, not the breakup one)

 

[Dark_Phoenix_Zaetyk]

those dumbass protagonists who would abruptly break up with someone because their self esteem is so goddamn low they couldn't imagine themselves as someone capable of being loved but instead of therapy I get to suffer for up to 40 chapters of misunderstandings and self pity

That is pitiful.... reading someone going into self pity path is not something i would want too and don't get me started on the misunderstanding

How a person is described often tells me the type of novel that I'm reading, and this is prevalent in fanfictions. Whenever characters are introduced, and too much emphasis is put on their looks and how attractive they are, it's an instant turn off for me, especially concerning women.

Also, I don't know if it's got anything to do with age, but as I got older, I started to appreciate those MCs who are just average-looking and blend in instead of sticking out wherever they go. Yes, I like protagonists who don't get b***ches and are totally fine with it.

And while I do like overpowered protagonists, man I can't help but cringe whenever they're always outshining others.

Same...i cringe eveytime the author describe how handsome mc is...his phoenix eyes etc....don't get me started on jade beauties ....i like average mc because there will be no misunderstanding out of nowhere because of being handsome whatnot

Character just innately knowing to call system and when they do it appears.

Average Joe gets a harem.

It get worse in my case if the system is sentinel....that develops into a lame comedy between the character and the system

 

[ElijahRyne]

Some cliche done well can make a novel enjoyable while there those nightmare cliches that gives readers headaches and you definitely drop a novel because of them

Pointless drama that can be ended in like five words.

The author doesn’t build up the characters but just uses common 2d cliches for every character, not because that is the joke, not because there will be further charchter dev, but because that is that.

Things that uncritically includes slave harems, the solution is slavery, slavery is good for the slave actually, etc.

When the plot, dialogue, characters, etc. are actually just references to other popular media, and there is little if no originality to the story.

A story that randomly goes off on tangents that are incorrect, incoherent, and/or not relevant to the story or character development in any way. I.E. the MC saying that homeless people deserve to die because they are bums in which the narrator and the other characters agree when the MC and characters exist in a small town in a fantasy world with no exposure to homelessness or contact to the outside world. (Actually read a story that did that…) or the essays in Les Miserables.

 

[Daitengu]

Autistic MCs some how having the rizz to get a harem while being a dense doormat.

Teens and young adults having the skills, power, and mindset to save the world.

Nobles being either money grubbing racist slavers, or boy scouts with no middle ground.

Shrugging of broken bone injuries like they're flesh wounds.

 

[Kenjona]

Tsunderes

Not dropped, but more like a massive eye roll.

When meeting a random person, and that person is the heir or owner of a massive conglomerate or noble house.

Sounds like a random New Yorker.

 

[Dark_Phoenix_Zaetyk]

Dens

Autistic MCs some how having the rizz to get a harem while being a dense doormat.

Teens and young adults having the skills, power, and mindset to save the world.

Nobles being either money grubbing racist slavers, or boy scouts with no middle ground.

Shrugging of broken bone injuries like they're flesh wounds.

Dense doormat are typical japanese betas...how this combination can rizz the ladies is beyond me lol

Tsunderes

Sounds like a random New Yorker.

Lol the New York subway you can find a random millionaire

Pointless drama that can be ended in like five words.

The author doesn’t build up the characters but just uses common 2d cliches for every character, not because that is the joke, not because there will be further charchter dev, but because that is that.

Things that uncritically includes slave harems, the solution is slavery, slavery is good for the slave actually, etc.

When the plot, dialogue, characters, etc. are actually just references to other popular media, and there is little if no originality to the story.

A story that randomly goes off on tangents that are incorrect, incoherent, and/or not relevant to the story or character development in any way. I.E. the MC saying that homeless people deserve to die because they are bums in which the narrator and the other characters agree when the MC and characters exist in a small town in a fantasy world with no exposure to homelessness or contact to the outside world. (Actually read a story that did that…) or the essays in Les Miserables.

Especially when the author drags useless misunderstandings that develops into the pointless dramas that could have been solve by 5 words

 

[Corty]

None yet all.

There are no bad cliches only bad execution.

 

[Deleted member 166076]

Even when you avoid the cliches of a genre people complain about it not being like everything else saying the replacement is wrong for not be the cliche version. Seen complaints in comments on my books too many times about that exact thing.

I wrote my Her Beasts series because I didn't like the cliches in Asian beastworld novels where only pale white skin is considered pretty, all women are treated like incapable baby makers where only their beauty matters, they're always underaged minors, the smut was always being talked about, but never written, and they never have the background to backup all of the random technological advances they make.

I did weeks of research into common dungeon core cliches, why they're disliked, and deciding which ones to keep and which ones to change to something else while making it all fit together. Only then I get hate for it not being a murder hobo dungeon with an MC who is soooo special they get to break all the rules of the world. Instead, I went a different route and people get big mad.

 

[Rhaps]

those dumbass protagonists who would abruptly break up with someone because their self esteem is so goddamn low they couldn't imagine themselves as someone capable of being loved but instead of therapy I get to suffer for up to 40 chapters of misunderstandings and self pity

Speaking of therapy, most problem would be solve by just visiting a therapist.