What’s missing in the Novel Extra genre?

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There is a trend I’d like to call a sub-genre of Isekai where you specifically fall into a novel read beforehand. After reading a lot of then I find myself feeling there is always something missing to the format. Hard to figure out exactly what.

Normally, remembering this is a novel gives the main character an excuse to give a quick rundown on the plot and the big bad. That’s fine and all, but the ‘Big Bad’ becomes less threatening when you have prior knowledge on their moves and how to deal with them.

This also makes it so the only ones capable of stopping the MC being either plot points outside the reaches of the novel they read or similarly reincarnated/transmigrated individuals. Making the story format become a bit repetitive in a way.

Themes also become hard to really pin down.

An example of this is in, ironically, The Novel’s Extra, where there are times the MC will feel like he’s not part of the ‘Main Story’ because he’s an extra. Which is hard to believe when he has cheats and how regular extras die brutally in the story to the point you’d feel annoyed by the MC (I know I did when a honest security guard died to the ‘quirky and petty battle maniac’ who isn’t described as an evil entity).

It’s hard to really feel what the story is about when most of the time the power fantasy of being knowledgeable of the future takes over. If not, then they become pushed around by the setting. Making you question what was the point of reincarnation.

What feels like a more complete ending for these types of stories? You can either ‘ascend’ (The Novel’s Extra in a way not exactly a spoiler since I’m leaving it vague), return (like in Kill the Villainess), or die as a character of this novel.

Maybe perfection is unattainable and creativity can make stories like Omniscient Reader Viewpoint, but I’d like to think there can be better templates to start with than random person being in a random character.
 

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It’s hard to really feel what the story is about when most of the time the power fantasy of being knowledgeable of the future takes over.
No no, that is what the story is about. It's the same fantasy as a time loop story. Or potentially even just a regular prophecy story.

You can change things for the better.

So if the story seems lacking, then maybe it didn't change enough? Maybe the MC was too selfish, or didn't try hard enough. And unlike a time loop, where they can try again, there's no saving it after you mess up the first time.

So maybe what you're looking for is a time loop? Or maybe you're looking for a different genre entirely. It's really hard for me to guess why you feel something.
 

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No no, that is what the story is about. It's the same fantasy as a time loop story. Or potentially even just a regular prophecy story.

You can change things for the better.

So if the story seems lacking, then maybe it didn't change enough? Maybe the MC was too selfish, or didn't try hard enough. And unlike a time loop, where they can try again, there's no saving it after you mess up the first time.

So maybe what you're looking for is a time loop? Or maybe you're looking for a different genre entirely. It's really hard for me to guess why you feel something.
I like the “I can change things for the better” message but isn’t it too arrogant? I like it in “I killed the academy’s player” somewhat because we see how one guy really ruined the story with his intervention. Since he dies early on we don’t see much of it but we are told about how favourite characters were killed so easily.

I don’t know if I can say the same about “The extra’s survival guide” because though the MC struggles, it feels like fate is on his side and that there was no other future except this one (the re:zero arc hadn’t persuaded me otherwise).

This is what I mean in that I feel having another of the same circumstances should be added to the generic formula because without that there is no doubt that everything will go the MC’s way. I am starting to like “The Will To Survive” with that magic professor because the ex-girlfriend being there adds some spice but the rest of the cast already being affected by him before that turns me off.

Either way, I can understand the wish-fulfilment part now that you pointed it out. Being invested in a story and wanting a better future for your favourite characters.
 

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For me the novel extra genre is just fanfic but called something different for not wanting to be looked at as a fanfic.
 

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At the beginning, there was a story. Someone hated the story on how it progressed, but liked the beginning. So, someone thought, why not write the same story, but fix the ending with the character that's not related to the story? That's how fanfic was born.

Those fanfics multipled. Someone was many, and many did what they could, trying to rewrite the same story to persuade others to accept to their headcanon, as they wrote it. This leads to the infinite interpretation of the same source material, but it after a while, grows stale.

Someone, not wanting to write a fanfic, but wanting to write something like a fanfic, thought, "why not to apply to the genre itself?" So, with a quick sleight of hand, Someone swapped the story to the setting, the genre itself, created a fictional story inside the story, and wrote exactly like a self insert fanfic. It was fresh, and it was ingenious for minimal changes required. Also, it was flexible, no one would roast you for changing minor detail #316 the original story had. That's called meta fictitious story.

What's missing in the Novel Extra type of stories is the story they're coming from. It still has all the quirks of the fanfic, without being a fanfic. They take the genre's archetypes, and try to make it uniquely into their story. Therefore, such stories follows the fanfiction rules, and if you're writing one, you need to know how good fanfics are written. Fanfictions exist to scratch an itch, if it fails to do so, it fails to matter. Therefore, novel's extra subgenre exists to scratch an itch of the genre it's coming from, if it fails to do so, it fails to matter.
 
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