Toilet thoughts: Psychopaths

ArcadiaBlade

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D-did you just call me a psychopath? I know that I'm not cold or calculative but at least I'm rational. Let me give you a clear image of a psychopath.

They are crazy. Like those LGBT who thought that they are always right in their pursuit of gender equality when it basically enforce their own gender enslavement to the male gender.

Emotionless people aren't psychopaths but just people who lack empathy and moral codelines to tell which is right or wrong.

The core of psychopaths is the sense of warped mind that they have, unable to tell the correct state of mind and act base on their instincts alone without regarding the consequences of their actions.

Psychopaths can have friends but their mind differs from how a normal person would think, much less how a sociopath would.

Sociopath are just hypocrites that base themselves as someone above the standards while still have the rational state of mind yet unable to base themselves to be below the normal people.

Psychopaths don't. And they act on their will alone, even harming those around them for the sake of his own personal goal.

So, if you base your psychopaths on that, you basically calling me a psychopath alone by those words.
 

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It’s not psychopathy, it’s called being rational. The character thinks with logic and is always conscious of their own emotions and don’t let them get in the way.

They’re ruthless to their enemy and lack empathy. Why? Cuz, empathy is useless and will only make them weaker.

The psychopathic main character isn’t very relatable unless they do care about the people they love.

If they don’t care about anyone and anything, then they‘re just trash. But if they still do care about the people they love and don’t give a fuck about their enemy, then they’re rational.
Ignorance spotted.
Psychopathy is mainly the lack of empathy and the inability to relate to others due to not having the emotional tools to form connections because the brain functions differently. It has nothing to do with being 'rational' or whatever. Psychopaths can get angry and sad just like anyone else. They just can't care about other humans and animals. It's not a choice, it's not cool, it's not selective to 'enemies'. Psychopath does not translate to ruthless or crazy. Do they manipulate? Everyone does. Do they lie? Everyone does. Are they capable of violence? Just like anyone.
 

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Psychopathy is defined as a mental (antisocial) disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior, shows a lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, expresses extreme egocentricity, and demonstrates a failure to learn from experience and other behaviors associated with the condition.
Henry R. Hermann
Persons with psychopathy show inhibition of the startle response to both emotionally pleasant and unpleasant stimuli. Thus, psychopathic persons appear to have a specific insensitivity to unpleasant or aversive stimuli, and thus respond equivalently to pleasant and unpleasant stimuli. Psychopathy is highly refractory to psychotherapy, perhaps due to a lack of emotional sensitivity or awareness required for empathy.
O’Donnell, Hetrick
Neuroimaging research indicates that the atypical empathic outcomes observed in psychopathic individuals may be associated with reduced activity in regions associated with emotional processing, such as the AI and amygdala.
[...]

Reduced gray matter volume in the AI and amygdala has similarly been shown to correlate with instances of aggressive behavior and levels of empathy in adolescents with conduct disorder.
Thompson et al.


The consent of most modern studies show that psychopathy has nothing to do with "only being cold" or "being rational". There is a clear divide between the medical standpoint and how the word is often used out of context in daily life.

That said, like most mental disorders, the clear definition is used on the core cases while we see a wide spectrum of "lighter cases" with only some or light symptoms, which might or might not fit multiple different diagnoses. You don't have a heart attack just because your chest hurts a bit. Same with the "little boxes" we use for mental problems.

"Pure psychopaths" are missing the mental capacity to experience certain things. Something that could also be seen for certain kinds of brain damages that could lead to similar inabilities. A psychopath doesn't struggle with his own desires or acts, because they don't realize that what they do might hurt others or overstep community rules. They are like children who haven't learned the rules. There is no "wrong" in their act because to them, the act itself is correct.

Psychopaths will display emotions, but studies have shown, that at least part of that is an act "to fit in" or "reach a goal". The actual brain activity to emotional stimuli is lower or none. Though there is also a difference between "empathy based emotions" and direct stimuli. They will still become angry for themselves, but rarely will they become angry for someone else based on that person's feeling. So a psychopath could still get angry if you go against his wife, but it might be based on the disrespect you show him through that rather than the emotions his wife feels.

It's also shown that a majority of psychopaths are good actors, who will use adisplay of emotions to further their cause. With these cases, it's also really hard to say which reactions are genuine and which are just a display. You can't check everyone's brain to make sure... let alone check which action was the actual trigger of a genuine feeling. You can't go around and divorce a man ten times and see under which conditions he reacts in what way.




That said, if you want to write a struggling character, compulsive acts might be a better way to go. They are also linked to mental pressure which makes it easier "to trigger" at the right moments in the story. People with such problems also often realize their "different behavior" and struggle with it. Those also much more closely fits the "image of the psychopath" in modern media. Something else to look at would be traumata that can fuck up a person.

The "calculative emotionless husk" is the core idea of a psychopath and can be explained through brain topology and activity. The struggling kind of psychopath is more often than not a different kind of mental disorder, all of them combined under the umbrella of the word "psychopath" as we use it in our daily life. Though the majority of those cases probably aren't psychopaths by the definition. We just can go and test everyone, and use really expensive monitoring and long tests on every single person.


It's a bit of how we call the majority of "feeling bad"-cases a depression nowadays. A lot of these cases aren't depressions under the medical definition, but people use that word because it describes a set of symptoms. And the treatment for a lot of stuff will be similar, no matter the "actual cause" of the symptoms.

That said, if you want to look into something to write about it, it's probably better to use the correct definitions and look for a cause that will bring similar symptoms as you want the character to have. The differences between antisocial-behavior, split personalities, compulsive acts, and psychopaths might also be a good place to find more ideas and creativity for your character...
 
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Ugh no your letting popular media cloud your judgement, they don't act on emotions cause they don't have on the speak of, my character doesn't cry, get sad or laugh in the slightest of things they always have a blank expression on their face.
The psychology of serial killers is actually well researched. Unfortunately, the psychology of school shooter is much less so. If you want a good first place to start on factual information about a wide variety of mental disorders, their presentation, causes, and treatments, check out the Merck Manual: https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/psychiatric-disorders.
Again not what a psychopath is, I never mentioned them being violent or aggressive I specifically stated that they are NOT those things.
Also thinking that all psychopaths are instant murderes is sorta creepy
what part of emotionless person that can't understand emotions do you fail to understand


 
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So the discussion here seems to have gone all over, and I'm not going to go into psychopath/sociopath whatever. I'll answer the original problem.
how people will perceive my psychopath character.
And the answer to that is expect violent reactions when trying to portray the real psychopath. Pop culture have a view of what a psychopath is because of popular characters like Hannibal Lecter or Dexter. And what people know of as psychopaths are serial killers, because they were diagnosed as such while in jail. There are tons of psychopaths out there that are just leading normal lives and they would never go and get diagnosed because they think there is nothing wrong with them.

The problem is in webnovels. Psychopath has become a shorthand term for ruthless killer. Recently, it has become the vehicle for revenge stories. So, if you're going to make a true psychopath character, you're going to have to contend with people's perception. Just like wrong tags in webnovels can lead to violent reactions (or even just having certain tags can have violent reactions and so already probably know yourself), portraying something that's not the expectation (even if the expectation is wrong) can also lead to negative (and sometimes violent) reactions.

This is my experience with writing a real psychopath character, although this is mostly from RR. SH people are more chill, but also sometimes not.

Okay, interruption over. Back to regular programming of what a psychopath is. :blob_popcorn:
 

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Henry R. Hermann

O’Donnell, Hetrick

Thompson et al.



The consent of most modern studies show that psychopathy has nothing to do with "only being cold" or "being rational". There is a clear divide between the medical standpoint and how the word is often used out of context in daily life.

That said, like most mental disorders, the clear definition is used on the core cases while we see a wide spectrum of "lighter cases" with only some or light symptoms, which might or might not fit multiple different diagnoses. You don't have a heart attack just because your chest hurts a bit. Same with the "little boxes" we use for mental problems.

"Pure psychopaths" are missing the mental capacity to experience certain things. Something that could also be seen for certain kinds of brain damages that could lead to similar inabilities. A psychopath doesn't struggle with his own desires or acts, because they don't realize that what they do might hurt others or overstep community rules. They are like children who haven't learned the rules. There is no "wrong" in their act because to them, the act itself is correct.

Psychopaths will display emotions, but studies have shown, that at least part of that is an act "to fit in" or "reach a goal". The actual brain activity to emotional stimuli is lower or none. Though there is also a difference between "empathy based emotions" and direct stimuli. They will still become angry for themselves, but rarely will they become angry for someone else based on that person's feeling. So a psychopath could still get angry if you go against his wife, but it might be based on the disrespect you show him through that rather than the emotions his wife feels.

It's also shown that a majority of psychopaths are good actors, who will use adisplay of emotions to further their cause. With these cases, it's also really hard to say which reactions are genuine and which are just a display. You can't check everyone's brain to make sure... let alone check which action was the actual trigger of a genuine feeling. You can't go around and divorce a man ten times and see under which conditions he reacts in what way.




That said, if you want to write a struggling character, compulsive acts might be a better way to go. They are also linked to mental pressure which makes it easier "to trigger" at the right moments in the story. People with such problems also often realize their "different behavior" and struggle with it. Those also much more closely fits the "image of the psychopath" in modern media. Something else to look at would be traumata that can fuck up a person.

The "calculative emotionless husk" is the core idea of a psychopath and can be explained through brain topology and activity. The struggling kind of psychopath is more often than not a different kind of mental disorder, all of them combined under the umbrella of the word "psychopath" as we use it in our daily life. Though the majority of those cases probably aren't psychopaths by the definition. We just can go and test everyone, and use really expensive monitoring and long tests on every single person.


It's a bit of how we call the majority of "feeling bad"-cases a depression nowadays. A lot of these cases aren't depressions under the medical definition, but people use that word because it describes a set of symptoms. And the treatment for a lot of stuff will be similar, no matter the "actual cause" of the symptoms.

That said, if you want to look into something to write about it, it's probably better to use the correct definitions and look for a cause that will bring similar symptoms as you want the character to have. The differences between antisocial-behavior, split personalities, compulsive acts, and psychopaths might also be a good place to find more ideas and creativity for your character...
Thanks but your interpretation of the use of psychopath and the other mental disorders that you brought up doesn't work in my vision, I appreciate the input, but again feels wrong and too different from what I have researched.
They are not struggling with their disorder on split personalities or compulsive disorders that isn't there problem, there actual problem is handling other people emotions and dealing situations that others would assume someone with emotions would and have to learn to adjust they understanding of people with them.

D-did you just call me a psychopath? I know that I'm not cold or calculative but at least I'm rational. Let me give you a clear image of a psychopath.

They are crazy. Like those LGBT who thought that they are always right in their pursuit of gender equality when it basically enforce their own gender enslavement to the male gender.

Emotionless people aren't psychopaths but just people who lack empathy and moral codelines to tell which is right or wrong.

The core of psychopaths is the sense of warped mind that they have, unable to tell the correct state of mind and act base on their instincts alone without regarding the consequences of their actions.

Psychopaths can have friends but their mind differs from how a normal person would think, much less how a sociopath would.

Sociopath are just hypocrites that base themselves as someone above the standards while still have the rational state of mind yet unable to base themselves to be below the normal people.

Psychopaths don't. And they act on their will alone, even harming those around them for the sake of his own personal goal.

So, if you base your psychopaths on that, you basically calling me a psychopath alone by those words.
Okay first my character is a psychopath. Second they are not manipulation or go off on impulse.
They are just emotionless they will act on logic alone to the best of their abilities, which will lead to unfortunate outcomes on the part of not understanding people's emotions thereby not knowing how their reactions or how thought process plays out.
 

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They are just emotionless they will act on logic alone to the best of their abilities, which will lead to unfortunate outcomes on the part of not understanding people's emotions thereby not knowing how their reactions or how thought process plays out.
I think that's autism. Psychopaths are capable of understanding emotions, just not experiencing them.
 

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Thanks but your interpretation of the use of psychopath and the other mental disorders that you brought up doesn't work in my vision, I appreciate the input, but again feels wrong and too different from what I have researched.
If you use a different definition of psychopath of what is often taught and used, then it might be helpful if you also give the definition and sources you use. It would make discussion about it a lot easier...

They are not struggling with their disorder on split personalities or compulsive disorders that isn't there problem, there actual problem is handling other people emotions and dealing situations that others would assume someone with emotions would and have to learn to adjust they understanding of people with them.
I think you misread this part.
You focused a lot on the inner struggle of psychopaths who also feels and displays said feelings. Which is why a listed conditions which might show "psychopathic symptoms" under the general use of the word while steel be able to display feelings. Things a lot easier to write than a - hyperbolical speaking - person with no feeelings who shows their feelings while having an inner struggle thanks to their feelings.

Maybe your description of your characters also paints a different picture for me than you wanted to, but right now, it doesn't scream "psychopath" at me.



Psychopaths are capable of understanding emotions, just not experiencing them.
Which ist an interesting question. If you can't experience emotions, can you understand them? Or if your emotional responses are relatively subdued, can you understand someone "getting washed away by their emotions"?

It's the same interesting question of "Do you know love" until you find the first real partner, who turns the world on its head...
 

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I think that's autism. Psychopaths are capable of understanding emotions, just not experiencing them.
Yep, psychopaths are very good at understanding people's emotions, thus very good at manipulation. They're probably better at understanding and predicting reactions of people than the average person, and they do this without having personal experience. Fake it till you make it to the next level. If someone is having an emotional breakdown because of a death of a loved one, a psychopath will understand that and will extend comfort if advantageous to him/her. He's not going to act all callous and have a misunderstanding with people around him. He'll know how to behave in social interactions even if he doesn't understand the underlying reason.
Kind of like a foreigner in a another country perfectly copying the local custom but doesn't have the "personal connection" to it.
 

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Which ist an interesting question. If you can't experience emotions, can you understand them? Or if your emotional responses are relatively subdued, can you understand someone "getting washed away by their emotions"?
I think you can, maybe even better than most people as emotional states differ from one person to another. There are general consensus of course which are easier to understand and replicate - without your personal experiences adulterating them.
 
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