Thoughts on editing?

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I have been wanting to edit my main series for a while and get the second draft done. However, I have been focusing so much on my new series and work that I haven't done anything with it. I know that I have to add a lot of descriptions, fix a decent amount of grammar/spelling, and remove certain things that are either unnecessary or create minor plot holes. Though it doesn't help that every time I get the chance to edit it, I can't seem to come up with the right descriptions to add. It's not because I don't know what I want the scenes or people to look like but more of a lack of knowing what the right words would be. I also have the problem where I cringe every time I read my old work because it doesn't have the best grammar. Thanks, Grammarly.

Are there any thoughts or ideas that you may have to help me actually edit my series when I have time? Anything would be helpful.
 

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Just like writing, editing is a separate skill that should and needs to be developed.

There is a synergy between the two skills; as you edit your work you will become a better writer as you internalize your previous mistakes and pitfalls. As you become a better writer your role as an editor becomes easier. Of course, to develop both of this skills in tandem you need to read more. Reading also includes critiquing others by the way. In fact, many people, including me, find themselves more proficient at editing others work than writing their own!

Popular advice may be to finish your second series and then come back and rewrite your first. This works for many people as after writing their second novel they improve to such a degree that an edit of their first becomes a rewrite due to how many changes are made.

Is your inability to know what the right words are coming from a lack of vocabulary or are you satisfied with the extent of your vocabulary and are struggling to arrange the words correctly to achieve the intended result?
 

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Just like writing, editing is a separate skill that should and needs to be developed.

There is a synergy between the two skills; as you edit your work you will become a better writer as you internalize your previous mistakes and pitfalls. As you become a better writer your role as an editor becomes easier. Of course, to develop both of this skills in tandem you need to read more. Reading also includes critiquing others by the way. In fact, many people, including me, find themselves more proficient at editing others work than writing their own!

Popular advice may be to finish your second series and then come back and rewrite your first. This works for many people as after writing their second novel they improve to such a degree that an edit of their first becomes a rewrite due to how many changes are made.

Is your inability to know what the right words are coming from a lack of vocabulary or are you satisfied with the extent of your vocabulary and are struggling to arrange the words correctly to achieve the intended result?
Thank you for the advice. As for my vocabulary, I believe that my vocabulary is sufficient. I just have trouble arranging them properly and in a way that sounds good when read aloud. Though, I am currently taking classes for that.
 

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Thank you for the advice. As for my vocabulary, I believe that my vocabulary is sufficient. I just have trouble arranging them properly and in a way that sounds good when read aloud. Though, I am currently taking classes for that.

Reading what you wrote out loud is excellent and everyone should do it.

Is this your only issue when it comes to editing or do you have problems with motivation and/or discipline?
 

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Reading what you wrote out loud is excellent and everyone should do it.

Is this your only issue when it comes to editing or do you have problems with motivation and/or discipline?
Motivation and discipline are definitely key factors but not because I don't have it. Rather, it's because I am focusing my motivation and discipline on other things. That said, when I do have time to edit, I lack the discipline to focus on it instead of what else I need to do later.
 

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Motivation and discipline are definitely key factors but not because I don't have it. Rather, it's because I am focusing my motivation and discipline on other things. That said, when I do have time to edit, I lack the discipline to focus on it instead of what else I need to do later.

Discipline is something a bit more complicated than just having it or not. Very, very few people are disciplined in every single area of their life. I've only met a single person in my 28 years on this planet who fits that definition and boy she was incredible :)

For example I am very disciplined when it comes to going to the gym and reasonably disciplined when it comes to my diet. Less so when it comes to programming and even less so when it comes to writing, which is my newest hobby.

It may help to identify why you're so disciplined in other areas of life and how you established that discipline and apply that self-reflection to your writing and editing.
 

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Discipline is something a bit more complicated than just having it or not. Very, very few people are disciplined in every single area of their life. I've only met a single person in my 28 years on this planet who fits that definition and boy she was incredible :)

For example I am very disciplined when it comes to going to the gym and reasonably disciplined when it comes to my diet. Less so when it comes to programming and even less so when it comes to writing, which is my newest hobby.

It may help to identify why you're so disciplined in other areas of life and how you established that discipline and apply that self-reflection to your writing and editing.
You're correct. I know I am not disciplined when it comes to most things. Writing, however, Is something that I am very disciplined with as other than a few times when I was incredibly busy, I write 800-1000 words daily. I just decided one day that I wanted to write and began doing so. After a month of forcing myself to do it, I was able to write without a second thought. Perhaps I should do that with editing?
 

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I have been wanting to edit my main series for a while and get the second draft done. However, I have been focusing so much on my new series and work that I haven't done anything with it. I know that I have to add a lot of descriptions, fix a decent amount of grammar/spelling, and remove certain things that are either unnecessary or create minor plot holes. Though it doesn't help that every time I get the chance to edit it, I can't seem to come up with the right descriptions to add. It's not because I don't know what I want the scenes or people to look like but more of a lack of knowing what the right words would be. I also have the problem where I cringe every time I read my old work because it doesn't have the best grammar. Thanks, Grammarly.

Are there any thoughts or ideas that you may have to help me actually edit my series when I have time? Anything would be helpful.
Well, when I edit, I pick a song that's about five minutes and then do a sort of musical chairs session with words where I speed edit as much as I can before the music runs out. Afterwards, I sit and read what I fixed and if I like it, I move onto the next chunk and repeat.

That really only helps the problem of how to get started and keep editing though the cringe though. Solving the issue of how to edit is a different one.

What you're talking about sounds more like rewriting than editing though. If it's to the point where you can't come up with the right descriptions to add and you're at a loss, it might be worth it to just start that bit over and use your old scene as the base. Basically, start on a fresh page and rewrite the scene with the same idea but with new words instead of trying to shove new life into old stuff.

Back to how to edit... if you're talking about editing the mechanics of your story (individual sentences and grammar), it's probably worth it to literally edit sentence by sentence. Like cut it out and look at it in isolation from the rest of the paragraph. Do that for a whole paragraph, and then look at the paragraph as a whole for cohesion. Then edit that paragraph and move onto the next.

If you're talking about editing for story structure... Well, that requires you to have a complete arc or story to begin with, so the only real thing you can do is write until a good stopping point and then go back to see if things make sense. The Three Act structure, or the Three Disasters structure, or some other story structure framework is useful here to see where pieces line up.

All else failing though... you could just force an insanely difficult time pressure. Like trying to edit a thousand words in two minutes. That tends to force the mind to think fast and look only at the bare essentials.
 

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You're correct. I know I am not disciplined when it comes to most things. Writing, however, Is something that I am very disciplined with as other than a few times when I was incredibly busy, I write 800-1000 words daily. I just decided one day that I wanted to write and began doing so. After a month of forcing myself to do it, I was able to write without a second thought. Perhaps I should do that with editing?

You hit the nail on the head.

Edit every day. Pick a realistic minimalistic goal to aim for. Maybe you decide to edit only 400 words a day, maybe only a single paragraph. Maybe treat a 15 minute edit session as your writing warm up for another series you're working on.

More often than not you'll slip into a groove and edit far more than you desired.

This is how discipline is built up and as you learn to become disciplined in one area of life it becomes easier to establish it for another. Never rely on motivation to get started on work. I doubt very many great works were a result of motivation. It certainly wasn't motivation that caused Patrick Rothfuss to edit The Name of the Wind 33 times.
 
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Well, when I edit, I pick a song that's about five minutes and then do a sort of musical chairs session with words where I speed edit as much as I can before the music runs out. Afterwards, I sit and read what I fixed and if I like it, I move onto the next chunk and repeat.

That really only helps the problem of how to get started and keep editing though the cringe though. Solving the issue of how to edit is a different one.

What you're talking about sounds more like rewriting than editing though. If it's to the point where you can't come up with the right descriptions to add and you're at a loss, it might be worth it to just start that bit over and use your old scene as the base. Basically, start on a fresh page and rewrite the scene with the same idea but with new words instead of trying to shove new life into old stuff.

Back to how to edit... if you're talking about editing the mechanics of your story (individual sentences and grammar), it's probably worth it to literally edit sentence by sentence. Like cut it out and look at it in isolation from the rest of the paragraph. Do that for a whole paragraph, and then look at the paragraph as a whole for cohesion. Then edit that paragraph and move onto the next.

If you're talking about editing for story structure... Well, that requires you to have a complete arc or story to begin with, so the only real thing you can do is write until a good stopping point and then go back to see if things make sense. The Three Act structure, or the Three Disasters structure, or some other story structure framework is useful here to see where pieces line up.

All else failing though... you could just force an insanely difficult time pressure. Like trying to edit a thousand words in two minutes. That tends to force the mind to think fast and look only at the bare essentials.
This is good advice. Thank you. I'll give it a try and see if it helps any.
 

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Though it doesn't help that every time I get the chance to edit it, I can't seem to come up with the right descriptions to add.
to edit I have to be in a certain mood. I can't summon it at will, so I have to wait until it comes and use it. reading something decent sometimes helps put me in the mood but not always.

music works as a stimuli. if you listen to a certain type while doing something, and continue doing so for a long time, this type of music will become associated with the act. listening to it will trick your brain into falling into that mindset.

If you cringe that much from editing a chapter (which I can relate to), considering rewriting that particular chapter. otherwise just go sentence by sentence, and do what you think is best.
 

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Think about it in the shower until you come up with the perfect phrasing. Editing takes a lot of time and patience. Don't try to rush it.
 
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