The Reason You Don't Have Readers: No, It Isn't How Well You Write

aurifex

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Messages
66
Points
73
For the skeptics: Yes, I am qualified to speak on this subject. My stories have well over 10,000,000 views, 10,000's of comments and readers, and so on. Across several sites (I write both fanfiction and original novels). For those of you who recoil at my "appeal to authority fallacy", evaluate the post on its own merits.

I'll do my best to be concise, though this is a long post. I won't blather on, though.

Why do some new authors become popular, and others don't? All it takes is an understanding of reader psychology. But not any reader: a specific type of reader. Those willing to click into web novels with no proven track record. Those intrepid individuals sorting the trash pile into two heaps for future readers.

Consider this person. What does their process look like?
- Step 1: They click into a tag or genre they're a fan of, either the "new releases" or "recent updates". A smaller portion will browse the overall "new stories" list, but your visibility there is brief.
- Step 2: They scroll through, clicking on titles/cover images that intrigue them
- Step 3: They read the summary; if they like it, they click into chapter one
- Step 4: They read a portion or the entirety of chapter one, then maybe click into chapter two
- Step 5+: And so on; at this point, they only drop if the story is boring or upsets them, but 99.99% of potential readers (meaning people who scroll past you when browsing a list) will never reach step 5.

Counter-intuitive as it sounds, writing a good, engaging story doesn't mean much. Not if you aren't succeeding in steps #1-3

Each step culls huge portions of your "potential readerbase", usually in the largest amounts early.

So think about it. Why aren't you getting readers?

The fewer readers you have, the more likely you're failing higher up the list.

Let's talk about where things go wrong.

STEP ONE: You aren't writing something people want to read.
More than any other item on the list, this is the most important. The vast majority of people clicking through "new releases" or "updates" on ScribbleHub, RoyalRoad, or anywhere else has a strong idea of the types of stories they like to read. If your story doesn't have popular tags or genres, your odds of becoming popular are astronomically lower.
How do you know what people are reading?
NOT the "highest rated" lists. NOT the "trending" lists (of various flavors). NOT most favorite, most activity, or rising.
The POPULAR lists. On ScribbleHub, it's these two:
These are the stories with the MOST VIEWS IN THE PAST WEEK and THE MOST READERS OVERALL.
Write something similar, and your odds of having an audience go up drastically, no matter how poor your writing is. Similarly, the fewer stories you can find that are popular, the less likely you'll be popular yourself, regardless of writing quality.

STEP TWO/THREE: Your Cover, Title, and/or Synopsis are sub-par.
First impressions are everything, and this is doubly true in web novels, where there are a hundred thousand pieces of trash on a giant heap, and readers are rarely willing to give yours a first glance much less a second.
Assuming your work is tagged with popular genres, you are guaranteed to have a decent amount of people put eyeballs onto your cover and title. Assuming those aren't terrible, they'll read your synopsis.
You NEED to hook them with your "front-page material".

STEP TWO/THREE PART B: You aren't releasing chapters fast enough.
You'll have some decent visibility on the "new stories" list, but after that, you need to draw readers from "recent updates". Doesn't matter how well your market material is if nobody sees is.
1x weekly is the lowest you can go, realistically. Would recommend 3+.

STEP FOUR: Your first chapter sucks.
Notice how only now we're getting to what counts as "real writing"?
I have a lot to say on this topic, but the point of this post is to drive home that popularity and writing quality are correlated, but less than you think.
What does "sucks" mean in terms of the first chapter?
- Weak technical writing. Your sentences are clumsy and/or error-filled.
- Your dialogue is weak/unnatural.
- Your pacing is slow; you're info-dumping; etc
- Your characters are bland and/or act unrealistically or awkwardly.
It could be any number of things. There's a lot that goes into writing

STEP FIVE: Your overall story sucks.
Not just your writing at a sentence and scene level, but in a bigger sense.
Again—please note how far down on the list this is. But it does matter. People will stop reading if you do everything else correctly but fumble the story itself. HOWEVER, if you did everything else right, you'll have a decent chunk of readers who followed just out of hope (or have low standards; there are a lot of people with low standards).


Okay, so what do I do?
Naturally, do what makes you happy. Write for the joy of it. But if you're seeking popularity?
From most important to least:
1. Write in popular genres/tags.
2/3. Go see what covers, titles, and summaries popular stories in your genre use and emulate them. ENSURE YOUR FRONT PAGE MATERIAL HOOKS THE READER. This usually means having some sort of appealing gimmick that sets you apart from the masses, while still being firmly in a popular category. Also, FREQUENT CHAPTER RELEASES.
4. Write well at a technical level. This means sentence-level and scene-level writing. If your writing is clumsy/awkward, people will leave before finishing chapter 1. The more digestible your writing is, the less people who will bounce off early.
5. Write well at a higher level: tell stories that engage chapter after chapter and set up story and character arcs that make the reader keep turning pages.


tl;dr: Plenty of shit stories are popular. If you want readers, pay more attention to what gets people to click into chapter one.
 

CharlesEBrown

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 23, 2024
Messages
4,749
Points
158
One thing you left out - self promotion.
Many of us rely on word of mouth, and thus get a small, dedicated reader base IF WE'RE LUCKY.
Those who get large numbers, generally come close to spamming their titles in various areas, both on and off the site, Redits and Discord channels, and Substack posts, things like that. Others spend a lot of time begging for review swaps or adding their works to them.

If you want a lot of readers there are three tactics:
1. Spend as much time promoting your work as you do writing it
2. Be incredibly lucky with your timing, tags, and release schedule (that got my one "success" to where it is),
3. Come in with a group of friends or supporters to boost your work for you (some fake this with multiple accounts but that can backfire spectacularly).
 

aurifex

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Messages
66
Points
73
Those who get large numbers, generally come close to spamming their titles in various areas, both on and off the site, Redits and Discord channels, and Substack posts, things like that.
If you want a lot of readers there are three tactics:
1. Spend as much time promoting your work as you do writing it
No, this isn't true. This is a cope that people tell themselves. "This is why no one reads my stuff—I don't spend all day self-promoting!" It's BS

Well, on RoyalRoad, the culture is a bit different: you need to get onto Rising Stars, so there's some shady cabal-like discords that review swap and force their stories onto it. But that's how you get, like, a few hundred followers and fizzle out because you failed to actually do steps #1-3.

In any case, you can get onto Rising Stars and get a ton of followers (way more than cheating) by doing what I said (+run ads).

Be incredibly lucky with your timing, tags, and release schedule
... you realize you control all of these? You can write in popular tags, post frequently, and post at optimal hours. That's the opposite of luck.

3. Come in with a group of friends or supporters to boost your work for you
Please, lose this mindset. It isn't how the web fiction scene actually works. Most sites work 99% on organic growth. ScribbleHub and Ao3 do, at least, with RR being a little weirder because of the whole Rising Stars and discord cabal bs.
 

FieryLou

Phoeperor of the Phoenix Race.
Joined
Apr 18, 2025
Messages
212
Points
63
One thing you left out - self promotion.
Many of us rely on word of mouth, and thus get a small, dedicated reader base IF WE'RE LUCKY.
Those who get large numbers, generally come close to spamming their titles in various areas, both on and off the site, Redits and Discord channels, and Substack posts, things like that. Others spend a lot of time begging for review swaps or adding their works to them.

If you want a lot of readers there are three tactics:
1. Spend as much time promoting your work as you do writing it
2. Be incredibly lucky with your timing, tags, and release schedule (that got my one "success" to where it is),
3. Come in with a group of friends or supporters to boost your work for you (some fake this with multiple accounts but that can backfire spectacularly).
Self-promotion for a mediocre story only helps in the beginning. I watched a few web novel authors promoting themselves on TikTok, giving them quite a bit of fame in the beginning. Once the story reaches a certain threshold and the viewers realize it does not get better, the traffic slows down.

If you write a high-quality work, it will promote itself—to be precise, the viewers will promote it for you. Hidden gems only exist until they arent hidden anymore. People just refuse to stop calling them "hidden" even though everybody already knows them.

Personally, I believe that every amazing story will get the fame it deserves, once the time is right. Obviously, this is only on the scale of the overall themes. If you write themes with a small fanbase (ultra fetishes where it's just about them), it can only get as famous as the fanbase is.
 

PancakesWitch

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 12, 2020
Messages
717
Points
133
>Check the "popular" novels.
>Some books are like five times as popular as mine.
>Check their patreons and earnings.
>Less than I earn.

Huh?
Sure, most of them are popular and all, but the majority don't even catter to actual paying readers so they dont make anything out of their supposed popularity... Sometimes having a smaller following that is willing to actually pay is more profitable.
 

Valmond

Stories are on Patreon
Joined
Oct 31, 2020
Messages
1,020
Points
153
I get you're being snarky, but you missed the whole point of the post: quality and popularity are weakly correlated. Popularity means neither good NOR bad.
It was just a joke. ?
 

aurifex

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Messages
66
Points
73
It was just a joke. ?
I said I knew you were being snarky. But jokes should apply to the post, shouldn't they? You joked I was calling popular stories bad and thus my own bad when the whole point of the post is that popularity doesn't mean either. Ah, whatever, I suppose I'm being pedantic

>Check the "popular" novels.
>Some books are like five times as popular as mine.
>Check their patreons and earnings.
>Less than I earn.

Huh?
Sure, most of them are popular and all, but the majority don't even catter to actual paying readers so they dont make anything out of their supposed popularity... Sometimes having a smaller following that is willing to actually pay is more profitable.
Yeah, my post was on how to get readers. Getting paying customers is another matter entirely. This is where Step #5, and quality as a whole, becomes much more important: you need to write a story that has people itching to read further, and thus subscribing to a patreon for the advance chapters.
Plus other factors like monetization strategy and so on.
 

aurifex

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Messages
66
Points
73
>Check the "popular" novels.
>Some books are like five times as popular as mine.
>Check their patreons and earnings.
>Less than I earn.

Huh?
Sure, most of them are popular and all, but the majority don't even catter to actual paying readers so they dont make anything out of their supposed popularity... Sometimes having a smaller following that is willing to actually pay is more profitable.
Also, I went and looked, you offer like 100+ chapters of multiple novels ahead. You have 12,000 readers across your stories (yes, I realize only like 3k peak per though). Assuming overlap, you probably have like 4500 active readers or more?

There aren't really any books five times as popular as yours? Not any active ones. Maybe 2x, by raw readers?

And the few novels on
(which are the active stories, the ones being read this week) that I checked have bigger patreons than you. The exceptions don't seem to be monetized (offering no chapters ahead).
Can you give an example of what story you're talking about?
Sure, having a more dedicated fanbase helps, but direct popularity correlates pretty strongly with patreon size—though not one to one, naturally.

In short your whole post seems to be bologna, but I admit I didn't research every ongoing novel. Link?
 

BigBadBoi

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 6, 2021
Messages
714
Points
133
No, this isn't true. This is a cope that people tell themselves. "This is why no one reads my stuff—I don't spend all day self-promoting!" It's BS

Well, on RoyalRoad, the culture is a bit different: you need to get onto Rising Stars, so there's some shady cabal-like discords that review swap and force their stories onto it. But that's how you get, like, a few hundred followers and fizzle out because you failed to actually do steps #1-3.

In any case, you can get onto Rising Stars and get a ton of followers (way more than cheating) by doing what I said (+run ads).


... you realize you control all of these? You can write in popular tags, post frequently, and post at optimal hours. That's the opposite of luck.


Please, lose this mindset. It isn't how the web fiction scene actually works. Most sites work 99% on organic growth. ScribbleHub and Ao3 do, at least, with RR being a little weirder because of the whole Rising Stars and discord cabal bs.
The RedditRoad tactic is to pay the Mafi- I mean buy advertisements on their site to get more reach(this is why there are a lot of shitty stick figure comic/AIslop advertisements). You then join the local ga- I mean join the author discord and do review swaps(this is why novels that are pure soulless slop get 5 stars praising it as the second coming of christ despite the review being only 5 chapters in which is not enough content to form an opinion and review a novel).
Literally the best novels I've read there are either on the top of the site or buried between litRPG slop.
 

Alski

Stray cat
Joined
Jan 10, 2021
Messages
1,399
Points
153
Most of the stories in the "popular weekly" are simply there because they number of chapters they put out, i wouldnt consider it a very good metric to include those.
 

aurifex

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Messages
66
Points
73
Most of the stories in the "popular weekly" are simply there because they number of chapters they put out, i wouldnt consider it a very good metric to include those.
I'm aware. But it's the best metric we have. It's easy to say "this isn't perfect for X reason" but if you do that you should offer a better alternative.

Weekly views is the best list for representing overall popularity. Views per recently released chapter would be nice—but we don't have that. Likewise, "total readers" includes a bunch of dead stories.
 

RepresentingWrath

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 7, 2020
Messages
13,556
Points
283
Also, I went and looked, you offer like 100+ chapters of multiple novels ahead. You have 12,000 readers across your stories (yes, I realize only like 3k peak per though). Assuming overlap, you probably have like 4500 active readers or more?

There aren't really any books five times as popular as yours? Not any active ones. Maybe 2x, by raw readers?

And the few novels on
(which are the active stories, the ones being read this week) that I checked have bigger patreons than you. The exceptions don't seem to be monetized (offering no chapters ahead).
Can you give an example of what story you're talking about?
Sure, having a more dedicated fanbase helps, but direct popularity correlates pretty strongly with patreon size—though not one to one, naturally.

In short your whole post seems to be bologna, but I admit I didn't research every ongoing novel. Link?
Pancakes is contracted WN author. You can't judge her with the same metric.
 

Assurbanipal_II

Nyampress of the Four Corners of the World
Joined
Jul 27, 2019
Messages
2,740
Points
153
For the skeptics: Yes, I am qualified to speak on this subject. My stories have well over 10,000,000 views, 10,000's of comments and readers, and so on. Across several sites (I write both fanfiction and original novels). For those of you who recoil at my "appeal to authority fallacy", evaluate the post on its own merits.

I'll do my best to be concise, though this is a long post. I won't blather on, though.

Why do some new authors become popular, and others don't? All it takes is an understanding of reader psychology. But not any reader: a specific type of reader. Those willing to click into web novels with no proven track record. Those intrepid individuals sorting the trash pile into two heaps for future readers.

Consider this person. What does their process look like?
- Step 1: They click into a tag or genre they're a fan of, either the "new releases" or "recent updates". A smaller portion will browse the overall "new stories" list, but your visibility there is brief.
- Step 2: They scroll through, clicking on titles/cover images that intrigue them
- Step 3: They read the summary; if they like it, they click into chapter one
- Step 4: They read a portion or the entirety of chapter one, then maybe click into chapter two
- Step 5+: And so on; at this point, they only drop if the story is boring or upsets them, but 99.99% of potential readers (meaning people who scroll past you when browsing a list) will never reach step 5.

Counter-intuitive as it sounds, writing a good, engaging story doesn't mean much. Not if you aren't succeeding in steps #1-3

Each step culls huge portions of your "potential readerbase", usually in the largest amounts early.

So think about it. Why aren't you getting readers?

The fewer readers you have, the more likely you're failing higher up the list.

Let's talk about where things go wrong.

STEP ONE: You aren't writing something people want to read.
More than any other item on the list, this is the most important. The vast majority of people clicking through "new releases" or "updates" on ScribbleHub, RoyalRoad, or anywhere else has a strong idea of the types of stories they like to read. If your story doesn't have popular tags or genres, your odds of becoming popular are astronomically lower.
How do you know what people are reading?
NOT the "highest rated" lists. NOT the "trending" lists (of various flavors). NOT most favorite, most activity, or rising.
The POPULAR lists. On ScribbleHub, it's these two:
These are the stories with the MOST VIEWS IN THE PAST WEEK and THE MOST READERS OVERALL.
Write something similar, and your odds of having an audience go up drastically, no matter how poor your writing is. Similarly, the fewer stories you can find that are popular, the less likely you'll be popular yourself, regardless of writing quality.

STEP TWO/THREE: Your Cover, Title, and/or Synopsis are sub-par.
First impressions are everything, and this is doubly true in web novels, where there are a hundred thousand pieces of trash on a giant heap, and readers are rarely willing to give yours a first glance much less a second.
Assuming your work is tagged with popular genres, you are guaranteed to have a decent amount of people put eyeballs onto your cover and title. Assuming those aren't terrible, they'll read your synopsis.
You NEED to hook them with your "front-page material".

STEP TWO/THREE PART B: You aren't releasing chapters fast enough.
You'll have some decent visibility on the "new stories" list, but after that, you need to draw readers from "recent updates". Doesn't matter how well your market material is if nobody sees is.
1x weekly is the lowest you can go, realistically. Would recommend 3+.

STEP FOUR: Your first chapter sucks.
Notice how only now we're getting to what counts as "real writing"?
I have a lot to say on this topic, but the point of this post is to drive home that popularity and writing quality are correlated, but less than you think.
What does "sucks" mean in terms of the first chapter?
- Weak technical writing. Your sentences are clumsy and/or error-filled.
- Your dialogue is weak/unnatural.
- Your pacing is slow; you're info-dumping; etc
- Your characters are bland and/or act unrealistically or awkwardly.
It could be any number of things. There's a lot that goes into writing

STEP FIVE: Your overall story sucks.
Not just your writing at a sentence and scene level, but in a bigger sense.
Again—please note how far down on the list this is. But it does matter. People will stop reading if you do everything else correctly but fumble the story itself. HOWEVER, if you did everything else right, you'll have a decent chunk of readers who followed just out of hope (or have low standards; there are a lot of people with low standards).


Okay, so what do I do?
Naturally, do what makes you happy. Write for the joy of it. But if you're seeking popularity?
From most important to least:
1. Write in popular genres/tags.
2/3. Go see what covers, titles, and summaries popular stories in your genre use and emulate them. ENSURE YOUR FRONT PAGE MATERIAL HOOKS THE READER. This usually means having some sort of appealing gimmick that sets you apart from the masses, while still being firmly in a popular category. Also, FREQUENT CHAPTER RELEASES.
4. Write well at a technical level. This means sentence-level and scene-level writing. If your writing is clumsy/awkward, people will leave before finishing chapter 1. The more digestible your writing is, the less people who will bounce off early.
5. Write well at a higher level: tell stories that engage chapter after chapter and set up story and character arcs that make the reader keep turning pages.


tl;dr: Plenty of shit stories are popular. If you want readers, pay more attention to what gets people to click into chapter one.
:meowsip: I only see intellectual bankruptcy here~, to be honest.
 
Top