S*x without Relationship (21+)

[CharlesEBrown]

I never said that. Just said there was no effective contraception, which is true. And when I said most people, I referred to the average people, not sex workers, who have existed since the beginning of time. But he's talking about casual relationships between random people, not that the MC goes to brothels now and then, so my point still stands.

Yeah, all the more reason most people waited until marriage. That's why they also married pretty young

Depends on the country your using as a model. In most of Europe (and in several periods of Chinese history), they married young to get "useless" daughters out of the house because their primary function was to either elevate family status through marriage or spawn lots of kids in the hopes of siring "useful" sons and grandchildren.

 

[Anonjohn20]

Just said there was no effective contraception

Which is false, not true. Again, your answers are based off assumptions, not facts.

I referred to the average people, not sex workers, who have existed since the beginning of time. But he's talking about casual relationships between random people, not that the MC goes to brothels now and then, so my point still stands.

The conversation was about casual sex, something that was done plenty throughout history, but you seem to have deluded yourself otherwise. Did you think that in all those orgies in Greece and Rome that only people committed to each other were interacting with one another? If you ever study medieval law then you'll find out that the most common crime brought before ecclesiastical courts was fornication; even in the most prudish Christian nations it was extremely common.

That's why they also married pretty young

They married young because they were considered adults at a younger age. In medieval England, a woman was considered "legal age" between 14-16.

 

[DismaiNaim]

Will this makes my readers angry

I have a flowchart for this exact question!

Will this piss off my readers?

Yes —> Good. They deserve it.

No —> oh well. Try again with the next scene.

 

[MFontana]

Calm down, hold your horses, this is still about writing.

So I really got the urge to make my MC had s*x with one of the side character. But solely for the reason of realism since life on medieval fantasy can be so boring and both of them are adults and had taste s*x before.

But I dont want to make them end up on having a relationship at all and keeping it casual and professional instead after all the haba-haba, because, well... that's what happen irl :|

Will this makes my readers angry if im doing this without the intention of making them having a relationship?
And when that happen again in the future with another characters, will it makes my story considered as a Harem?

PS:
1. I'm not writing a smut or its cousins.
2. If your environment and beliefs frown at this kind of things, then I respect you. But please give respect also and don't get triggered since this is normal in some places.

It's your story. Do it if you want to. You don't need to justify yourself to anyone about your creative decisions within your own creative works.
It's not something that I'd do regularly though, but if it fits within the narrative, and both characters personalities, then you should do whatever you want to do.
If it doesn't, and you still want to do it, then change the characters, and narrative, so it does.
As I said before, it's your story. Write what you want.

I'm actually doing something similar for the Bonus chapters in Duskfall.
They follow the character, Sylvia, and her antics. She isn't one to settle down. At all, and the idea of monogamy is completely alien to her.
All of that, however, fits quite nicely within her characterization without breaking the world, or the characters. It's not narratively relevant, hence why it's "bonus content".

Though, if you're aiming for realism in the Medieval Fantasy aesthetic, there's plenty of other aspects of life within the setup that aren't "boring". You could definitely look into the historical activities of the people during the era to find plenty of things to let the characters occupy their time beyond just sex.

 

[Bimbanana]

Thanks everyone,
Yeah, i guess my conclusion is its not that important after all.

Im thinking about it because my MC is 30 years old from US. So like, he's at sexually active age right? And he spend years building civilization on medieval age? with all those elf beauties and all? like no way he can stand not having some haba-haba.

But then again, i never mentioned about that traits of him anyway from chapter 1, and the narratives/plot doesnt require him to do that also.

So yeah, maybe not this time.

Maybe I should channel my excessive virgin smut writer curiosity to another title instead.

 

[Bartun]

Which is false, not true. Again, your answers are based off assumptions, not facts.


The conversation was about casual sex, something that was done plenty throughout history, but you seem to have deluded yourself otherwise. Did you think that in all those orgies in Greece and Rome that only people committed to each other were interacting with one another? If you ever study medieval law then you'll find out that the most common crime brought before ecclesiastical courts was fornication; even in the most prudish Christian nations it was extremely common.


They married young because they were considered adults at a younger age. In medieval England, a woman was considered "legal age" between 14-16.

The MC and whoever girl he hooks up with would be committing a crime then, and ancient Greece and Rome are not medieval times. But what do I know, anyway? I'm just a dinosaur, and I don't want to start a fight with you.

 

[tiaf]

Depends on your world setting. You want it realistic, but casual flings in historic correct medieval times was just not a thing. As the dinosaur said, medieval times had prudish mindset (church+lack of protection) and women who indulge into sex without being married were shunned and outcast by society.

It could be reason for them to lose their human status and become a whore for real. If it was a noble lady her family could shield her but commoner? So yeah, it depends on your world setting and your delivery.

Personally I find insert of sexual activity that doesn’t contribute to the plot or characterization annoying as any other filler.

 

[Anonjohn20]

The MC and whoever girl he hooks up with would be committing a crime then

Moving the goal post I see, I was merely pointing out how often it happened, lets go back the topic you are now running away from (whether casual sex was done, not whether its right or wrong).

Since you fell the need to limit yourself to the middle ages and not history in general, can I remind the people who studied history that every historian agrees that Church imposed restrictions on sex were largely ignored and premarital and extramarital relations were widespread. Your biased misconceptions go against what every historian of the period agrees with. Not every "prostitute" was a brothel girl, in rural villages, casual sex often took the form of exchanges of sex for gifts and the ecclesiastical courts wouldn't get involved unless there was an aggrieved party (one person sleeps around, someone who had a crush on them reports them in retaliation).

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Depends on your world setting. You want it realistic, but casual flings in historic correct medieval times was just not a thing. As the dinosaur said, medieval times had prudish mindset (church+lack of protection) and women who indulge into sex without being married were shunned and outcast by society.

Again it varies WILDLY. Most of the tales we have were watered down and "tamed" by the Church over the years (also homogenized so you have three main "families" of stories - the Germanic, the Frankish and the Anglo-Saxon. The Frankish, the Carolingian cycle, being the most tightly controlled by the (Catholic) Church, the Anglo-Saxon a mish-mash of things thrown together into a single Arthurian Cycle by the scribes of the Catholic church, then revised when the Anglican church was founded, and the Germanic tradition came down from the Norse and similar traditions and is a bit wilder (also spent more time being passed around as oral tradition, some of which wound up absorbed into the Arthurian Cycle, along with three of the Frankish knights, Launcelot, Pellinore and Tristan).
For example, the apparent oldest version of the tale of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight has the epic feud between the two of them triggered by Gawain having a casual hookup with the Green Knight's wife - but the modern versions have her showing him some kindness and the GK assuming she showed him a lot more.
And there is the entire Holy Grail cycle - a merging of Christian and Irish tales. In the original Irish legend, the item of the quest in a Silver Chalice, forged by the goddess of fire and passion, and required for any man to claim the title of King of Ireland. Those who come back from the quest with an actual cup, tend to be weaker rulers; those who understand the true quest, the search for a perfect spouse, tend to be the greatest rulers of Eire. The version I read had no hanky-panky, but I've heard the earlier versions were more appropriate to ... well, SmutHub than general bookstores, if you know what I mean.

It could be reason for them to lose their human status and become a whore for real. If it was a noble lady her family could shield her but commoner? So yeah, it depends on your world setting and your delivery.

Of course, the reason why a noble family would be upset is that this would be grounds for another noble family of equal or higher status to refuse her as a bride. They'd have to let her "marry down" or accept having an unmarriageable spinster in their family, or just lie about it ... or, what they did most often, send her off to a convent.

Personally I find insert of sexual activity that doesn’t contribute to the plot or characterization annoying as any other filler.

Now here I tend to agree.

 

[Lysander_Works]

I think I understand the angle you're going for, but even then, it's never simple once it's done. The only way I would ever find this as a possible character trait worthy of reading, is if they in some way over the longer span of time handle it all, not just pretend it doesn't exist and everyone moves on. But then that's just me, and even then, not something I'd drop a story for, but it would make me dislike that character, if they weren't made to endure the psychology of their every action, awkwardness and all.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

As an aside, I believe it was Ursula K. LeGuinn's The Beginning Place that was a coming-of-age story for two characters who never really develop any relationship beyond "being each other's first" (at least within the confines of the story and there was no indication they'd ever be anything more later). I may be confusing two stories I read at the same time here, though.

 

[TPumpkin]

But I dont want to make them end up on having a relationship at all and keeping it casual and professional instead after all the haba-haba, because, well... that's what happen irl :|

If you're doing realism then do consider even in countries with casual hook ups like that, feelings can still catch. Or if let's say the MC dates someone else and they find out about the hook up with the side character, it would be natural for the gf/bf to be wary of the 'sex friend'. So potential drama there too, I've seen it happen several times irl. If you're doing medieval morality, then you have to be careful with understanding people's moral views back then vs modern views too.

Will this makes my readers angry if im doing this without the intention of making them having a relationship?
And when that happen again in the future with another characters, will it makes my story considered as a Harem?

Coinflip. Some will want new waifu to stay, some will appreciate the short lewd, and others apathetic.

If that's how 'harem' works, then our lives are just drawn out harem hentais :V Jokes aside, harem (not exactly SH definition) can either be "multiple characters dating the MC at the same time" or like 'soft harem' which is "multiple characters pursuing trying to gain the interest of the MC".

Im thinking about it because my MC is 30 years old from US. So like, he's at sexually active age right? And he spend years building civilization on medieval age? with all those elf beauties and all? like no way he can stand not having some haba-haba.

Plap time. It's only inevitable.

But again, there could be a variety of reasons why any MC wouldn't sleep with someone.