MC is kicked from the party FOR ACTUAL GOOD REASONS!!!

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So, I just asked about another theme that was spreading like a cancer a moment ago, but here's one I think would actually be pretty hard to find out there.

The "Kicked from the Hero's Party" and, it's spin-off look alike, "Kicked from the S-Rank Party" are coming to be themes that are popping up like dandelions these days. However, it is the single most cookie-cutter plot I've ever seen. Literally every single one follows all the same major plot points.

1. MC is under-appreciated by the hero's party (possibly even bullied) because they under-appreciate what they contribute.
2. MC is kicked from the hero's party.
3. MC strikes out on their own and immediately start succeeding now that they are free of the hero's party.
4. Hero's party starts falling to pieces when they discover just how much the MC was really contributing.
5. MC starts to make a major name for themselves.
6. Hero with the possible addition of all or some of the Hero's party start actually BLAMING the MC for their down-fall after they were kicked out of the party.
7. Hero or Hero's party start on some kind of deranged vengeance plot against MC.

This is the plot of literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of these kicked from the Hero's/S-rank party stories.

I'd like to see an example of something that has the MC actually kicked from the Hero/S-rank party for legitimate reasons. Either they aren't contributing much, they are endangering themselves in some way for being in the party and it's for the best they leave, or there's some other incompatibility issue going on. Basically, some reason why the party's not a bunch of short-sighted ass-holes for kicking them out.

(Actually, I can think of 1 example of this. I think it was the "Missfits will Save the World" or something like that. The main protagonist of the series was kicked from an A-rank party for having a disruptive attitude, and the party leader who was also the MC's mentor was an alright dude and didn't want to kick him from the party, but he was just making too many problems. But, well... the being kicked from the party thing wasn't the main point of that series. It was each of the 4 members of the main cast having their shitty back-story and their vices they have to overcome, and that happened to be part of his.)

Alternatively, if you can't find a series that has the MC kicked out for actual good reasons, at least see if there's something out there that disrupts that cookie-cutter 7 point plot that literally all of them seem to follow.

Something I'd love to see is a kicked from the party plot where the protagonist was kicked out for legit reasons, they overcome their short-comings and become decent, and then can reconcile and work together amicably with their old party. Not rejoining it, but maybe after forming a new party they do some kind of cooperative thing with their old party and they can actually get along.
 

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reminds me of this thread I started
 

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Iirc there was a JP work that featured something similar.

1. MC is worthless but refused to change
2. Get kicked out.

And here is the shocker, MC suddenly lost his shitty attitude and got better.

I forgot the work.
 

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1. MC is under-appreciated by the hero's party (possibly even bullied) because they under-appreciate what they contribute.
2. MC is kicked from the hero's party.
3. MC strikes out on their own and immediately start succeeding now that they are free of the hero's party.
4. Hero's party starts falling to pieces when they discover just how much the MC was really contributing.
5. MC starts to make a major name for themselves.
6. Hero with the possible addition of all or some of the Hero's party start actually BLAMING the MC for their down-fall after they were kicked out of the party.
7. Hero or Hero's party start on some kind of deranged vengeance plot against MC.
Oh, I forgot points 8 and 9 of the cookie-cutter plot. Once again, so frequently present that it's almost maddening that these precise 9 points are in almost every single one!

8. Hero's party is soundly defeated upon their first attempt at misguided vengeance, thus cementing in how much more OP MC really is compared to their old party.
9. Hero's party makes a 2nd attempt, this time aided by evil powers of some form or another, often at a heavy price to the "hero" character.

(I've seen point 9 range from some kind of performance enhancing drugs that steal the user's sanity at the lowest end, to outright demon possession or some equivalent there of at the high end.)

The funny thing is, I've actually never seen one of these stories progress beyond having the 2nd "power at a price" attempt fail and the party be soundly defeated to the point they're not coming back this time. This is despite the fact that 1. The outcome of the 2nd fight leaves things completely open-ended, and 2. The story has very much built up plot-points that go beyond dealing with the former party. Despite there being a lot more plot points to get through, for some reason, none of them seem to really progress much beyond the "power at a price" fight Vs. the old party.

EDIT: Oh good lord! I just realized it. This "kicked from the hero's party" plot theme is all quite literally "Rising of the Shield Hero" with all the original, controversial, and complex parts that made it ACTUALLY GOOD stripped away. Someone decided to look at that freaking gem of a plot, boil it down to it's absolute most basic points, remove all of the complexity from the plot, remove the interesting dynamics of KEEPING THE ORIGINAL PARTY AROUND, and just strip it down to it's absolute most basic core points in the plot.

Then, after removing all the interesting points, add nothing at all back and just tell that story over and over again.

That's literally what they're doing with this plot!
 
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The whole thing is kind of an abstracted "The cool kids hated me for no reason, but I'll show them all!"


Having an actual reason to have been kicked out would ruin the fantasy of it.
 

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There’s a novel from the Hero’s perspective who kicks the ‘real hero’ out of the Hero’s Party due to ideological issues. With the ‘protagonist’ dark hero from a novel being a realist and the main character being an all or nothing guy.
 

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"I quit the Hero's Party", a gb novel that recently was adapted to be a manhwa.

The MC got kicked out due to being an asshole and didn't have the same goal as the party.
 

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So, I just asked about another theme that was spreading like a cancer a moment ago, but here's one I think would actually be pretty hard to find out there.

The "Kicked from the Hero's Party" and, it's spin-off look alike, "Kicked from the S-Rank Party" are coming to be themes that are popping up like dandelions these days. However, it is the single most cookie-cutter plot I've ever seen. Literally every single one follows all the same major plot points.

1. MC is under-appreciated by the hero's party (possibly even bullied) because they under-appreciate what they contribute.
2. MC is kicked from the hero's party.
3. MC strikes out on their own and immediately start succeeding now that they are free of the hero's party.
4. Hero's party starts falling to pieces when they discover just how much the MC was really contributing.
5. MC starts to make a major name for themselves.
6. Hero with the possible addition of all or some of the Hero's party start actually BLAMING the MC for their down-fall after they were kicked out of the party.
7. Hero or Hero's party start on some kind of deranged vengeance plot against MC.

This is the plot of literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of these kicked from the Hero's/S-rank party stories.

I'd like to see an example of something that has the MC actually kicked from the Hero/S-rank party for legitimate reasons. Either they aren't contributing much, they are endangering themselves in some way for being in the party and it's for the best they leave, or there's some other incompatibility issue going on. Basically, some reason why the party's not a bunch of short-sighted ass-holes for kicking them out.

(Actually, I can think of 1 example of this. I think it was the "Missfits will Save the World" or something like that. The main protagonist of the series was kicked from an A-rank party for having a disruptive attitude, and the party leader who was also the MC's mentor was an alright dude and didn't want to kick him from the party, but he was just making too many problems. But, well... the being kicked from the party thing wasn't the main point of that series. It was each of the 4 members of the main cast having their shitty back-story and their vices they have to overcome, and that happened to be part of his.)

Alternatively, if you can't find a series that has the MC kicked out for actual good reasons, at least see if there's something out there that disrupts that cookie-cutter 7 point plot that literally all of them seem to follow.

Something I'd love to see is a kicked from the party plot where the protagonist was kicked out for legit reasons, they overcome their short-comings and become decent, and then can reconcile and work together amicably with their old party. Not rejoining it, but maybe after forming a new party they do some kind of cooperative thing with their old party and they can actually get along.
Uh, its more likely to find series where MC leave of his own accord

OR

"i am not op but everyone misunderstand i am op"

"i am truly op but myself misunderstand i suck despite everyone trying to tell me i am op, i leave the party and my op friends try to find me back"
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I saw some recent new mangas

where The MC is kicked out of the party because of being TRULY useless (but just cheat not awakened)
Its not that i am defending the douchebags teammates nor the violent kick-out, but a pointless luggage teammate can be deadly in a FANTASY WORLD WITH FCKING GIANT DRAGONS THAT BREATH FIRE THAT MELT THE SKIN IN 1s !
 

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For point 1, I've read a multiple stories that instead of kicking them out for being 'useless', sometimes its for money, greed, MC power is good but too ominous? "Yeah sorry, your extremely useful but your hurting our reputation", there was also story where the part "kicked/killed" their party member because the church thought their power was too strong.

I do wishes points 4~7 happened less often, like even with stories that have the mc leave on good terms still have point 4 happen. I have nothing against a point 4~7 story beat, but it be overused. Well if I'm ever tired of it I just read something else, then come at a later point.
 

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Holy crap!!! Y'all are not gonna believe this, but I actually found it!!!


He gets politely dismissed from the party because he has a training skill that ups the growth of the other members of his party. It's super OP, but only for low-level parties. Once the party grows strong enough, they recognize this issue, and everyone including him realizes he's not a good fit for the party anymore.

So, they dismiss him from the party on good terms. Not only that, they also do all they can to take care of him and make sure he has a good retirement. All members of his former party are very grateful to him for the aid he gave them early on, and they give him an actual good send-off.

This is exactly it!!! And it's so incredibly refreshing to find this! I've still only just barely made it half way through the first chapter, but comments I've seen on this say that there is no "other shoe" that drops, and so I'm really looking forward to where this goes.
 

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So, I just asked about another theme that was spreading like a cancer a moment ago, but here's one I think would actually be pretty hard to find out there.

The "Kicked from the Hero's Party" and, it's spin-off look alike, "Kicked from the S-Rank Party" are coming to be themes that are popping up like dandelions these days. However, it is the single most cookie-cutter plot I've ever seen. Literally every single one follows all the same major plot points.

1. MC is under-appreciated by the hero's party (possibly even bullied) because they under-appreciate what they contribute.
2. MC is kicked from the hero's party.
3. MC strikes out on their own and immediately start succeeding now that they are free of the hero's party.
4. Hero's party starts falling to pieces when they discover just how much the MC was really contributing.
5. MC starts to make a major name for themselves.
6. Hero with the possible addition of all or some of the Hero's party start actually BLAMING the MC for their down-fall after they were kicked out of the party.
7. Hero or Hero's party start on some kind of deranged vengeance plot against MC.

This is the plot of literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of these kicked from the Hero's/S-rank party stories.

I'd like to see an example of something that has the MC actually kicked from the Hero/S-rank party for legitimate reasons. Either they aren't contributing much, they are endangering themselves in some way for being in the party and it's for the best they leave, or there's some other incompatibility issue going on. Basically, some reason why the party's not a bunch of short-sighted ass-holes for kicking them out.

(Actually, I can think of 1 example of this. I think it was the "Missfits will Save the World" or something like that. The main protagonist of the series was kicked from an A-rank party for having a disruptive attitude, and the party leader who was also the MC's mentor was an alright dude and didn't want to kick him from the party, but he was just making too many problems. But, well... the being kicked from the party thing wasn't the main point of that series. It was each of the 4 members of the main cast having their shitty back-story and their vices they have to overcome, and that happened to be part of his.)

Alternatively, if you can't find a series that has the MC kicked out for actual good reasons, at least see if there's something out there that disrupts that cookie-cutter 7 point plot that literally all of them seem to follow.

Something I'd love to see is a kicked from the party plot where the protagonist was kicked out for legit reasons, they overcome their short-comings and become decent, and then can reconcile and work together amicably with their old party. Not rejoining it, but maybe after forming a new party they do some kind of cooperative thing with their old party and they can actually get along.
Actually, thats a good plot. ❤️
 

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Actually, thats a good plot. ❤️

I do not disagree with that. The problem is that it's been repeated in that exact format WAY too many times. It's not a good enough plot to survive that much repetition. (I think the Hero's Journey may be the one and only plot good enough to survive that kind of repetition add nauseum.)

You'll probably enjoy it the first time you see it. But, the fact that most of them repeat the plot to the exact letter will make it so even the 2nd one you see it as already being rather stale.
 

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I do not disagree with that. The problem is that it's been repeated in that exact format WAY too many times. It's not a good enough plot to survive that much repetition. (I think the Hero's Journey may be the one and only plot good enough to survive that kind of repetition add nauseum.)

You'll probably enjoy it the first time you see it. But, the fact that most of them repeat the plot to the exact letter will make it so even the 2nd one you see it as already being rather stale.
How about you add some spice? For example, the mc is slowly learned from his mistake and he slowly accepts his immaturity.
 

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Holy crap!!! Y'all are not gonna believe this, but I actually found it!!!


He gets politely dismissed from the party because he has a training skill that ups the growth of the other members of his party. It's super OP, but only for low-level parties. Once the party grows strong enough, they recognize this issue, and everyone including him realizes he's not a good fit for the party anymore.

So, they dismiss him from the party on good terms. Not only that, they also do all they can to take care of him and make sure he has a good retirement. All members of his former party are very grateful to him for the aid he gave them early on, and they give him an actual good send-off.

This is exactly it!!! And it's so incredibly refreshing to find this! I've still only just barely made it half way through the first chapter, but comments I've seen on this say that there is no "other shoe" that drops, and so I'm really looking forward to where this goes.
This might be the same one I was thinking of. There is a LN that had the main character with the class of "guide" or something. It isn't an S-ranked class so it gets capped at a lower level then the rest of the heroes party. The main character is the hero's brother I believe? He sets off on his own, however the guy who gets kicked was also the one that handled all the behind the scenes stuff for the hero's party and everyone being arrogant s-ranks see that kind of stuff beneath them.

There is also the assassin is greater than the hero LN. It is kinda in the same type. A group of classmates get isekai and they all start training at the palace. However, there is intrigue going on and the assassin catches some hints that they are being manipulated. Then all of the classmates turn against him and he NOPEs out.
 

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How about you add some spice? For example, the mc is slowly learned from his mistake and he slowly accepts his immaturity.

Err... I don't think you understood the plot. The MC didn't do anything wrong in these plots. He was unjustly kicked from the hero's party by an ass-hole party leader who doesn't see what he was contributing or that he was secretly the most valuable part of the party, and the rest of the story is a power-fantasy featuring the MC.

I was asking for some kind of subversion to that plot.
 

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Err... I don't think you understood the plot. The MC didn't do anything wrong in these plots. He was unjustly kicked from the hero's party by an ass-hole party leader who doesn't see what he was contributing or that he was secretly the most valuable part of the party, and the rest of the story is a power-fantasy featuring the MC.

I was asking for some kind of subversion to that plot.
My comment was just a suggestion. You want something different, right? Nvm. Keep up the good work. Break a leg. ?
 

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My comment was just a suggestion. You want something different, right? Nvm. Keep up the good work. Break a leg. ?

I'm saying your suggestion indicates you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, because it makes literally zero sense and sounds like you're talking about something completely different from what's going on here. It was completely non-applicable to the scenario.
 

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I'm saying your suggestion indicates you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, because it makes literally zero sense and sounds like you're talking about something completely different from what's going on here. It was completely non-applicable to the scenario.
Hmm... My apologies, sire.

Mc is competent, so if he actually resolves his party's problem. Thats good.

I can picture what you want to convey for us. Keep it up. ?
 
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Hmm... My apologies, sire.

Mc is competent, so if he actually resolves his party's problem. Thats good.

I can picture what you want to convey for us. Keep it up. ?

Ok, you still don't get it. I think you should just watch/read one of these "Kicked from the hero's party" plot stories before you respond in this thread again.
 

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Ok, you still don't get it. I think you should just watch/read one of these "Kicked from the hero's party" plot stories before you respond in this thread again.
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Because I watched and read a lot of tropes like that. Like Hero Shield.
The Sage, The Hero who wanted to be banished, Let This Grieving Soul Retire and etc.

I was just stating something that havent added yet.

Sorry for entering this channel if I made you upset of something. ?
 
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