Humor Writing the trench warfare of writing.

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Humor Writing the trench warfare of writing. Oh mighty one won't you assist this filthy vagrant on his quest?

Excerpt Option 1:
The crisp autumn air whipped dust across our faces as we made our way through the bazaar’s tight backstreets. My gaze darted cautiously from shadow to shadow, wary of being back in such familiar environs, before settling on my companion. “Aren’t you cold in that?” I asked, gesturing to her skimpy attire.



“Worried about your big sister?” Leera teased, clutching her bosom dramatically.



I’d long since grown accustomed to Leera’s playful antics—her stubborn insistence that I was her little sibling and her frequent claims that my ‘ethereal beauty’ necessitated her 'indispensable sisterly wisdom' to fend off my ‘hordes of admirers’ had become a familiar refrain.



Rolling my eyes, I retorted, “Worried you’ll catch a cold and pass it on, more like. And I thought we’d agreed I was older than you.” With an exasperated sigh, I tugged her cloak tighter around her shoulders as I offered my token protest.



Leera chuckled, playfully ruffling my hair. “Good one, you're getting better.”



I swatted her hand away. “Leera,” I sighed, “I appreciate you coming along, but you don’t have to do this every time.”



As usual, she had found a reason to tag along, this time claiming she needed to 'stretch her legs' after being cooped up too long with the baby.



"And let you hog all the fun? Absolutely not!" She jokingly retorted, her eyes subtly narrowing as we neared a particularly dark alley where some vagrants seemed to be loitering around. The air here reeked of cheap dyes and stale sweat.

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The crisp autumn air, still damp from the early morning shower, carried the rich scent of earth as we threaded through the bazaar’s winding backstreets. Scattered puddles in the dips between the worn cobblestones reflected the muted glow of the few lanterns that hung from the stalls of traders and merchants preparing for the day ahead.

My gaze darted cautiously from shadow to shadow, wary of being back in such familiar environs, before settling on my companion. “Aren’t you cold in that?” I asked, gesturing to her impractically flimsy outfit.

Leera shivered exaggeratedly, punctuating the act with a delicate cough. "Oh dear, perhaps my frail constitution can't handle such brisk gusts.” She clutched her arms around herself mid-stride, her longing glance drifting toward a nearby soup vendor from where steam was curling invitingly into the cool air. "If only there were a way to warm myself during this perilous journey. I wouldn't want my ‘little sis’ to worry about me."

I almost groaned as I had grown so accustomed to her antics by now. Reaching out I tugged her cloak tighter around her shoulders. “I’m not naming names here, but if someone had listened to me when I told them to put on something warmer, they wouldn’t be in this predicament now.”

Her hopeful pout and the tantalizing aroma of the vendor’s soup wore down my resolve, though I’d never admit it aloud.

An explosive sigh left my mouth. “Fine, fine I’ll treat you to breakfast after we’re done.”

Leera chuckled, playfully ruffling my hair. “Good, your magnanimity will be remembered through the annals of history.”

I swatted her hand away. “Leera,” I sighed, “I appreciate you coming along, but you’ve got enough on your plate without babysitting me.”

As usual, she had found a reason to tag along, this time claiming she needed to 'stretch her legs' after being cooped up too long with the baby.

"And let you hog all the fun? As if!" She teasingly retorted, her eyes subtly narrowing as we neared a particularly dark alley where some vagrants seemed to be loitering around. The air here reeked of cheap dyes and stale sweat.

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Number 1 Rule: Never force the comedy
Instead, write hilarous and ridiculous scenarios and let the characters interact with them naturally, they will be fun without feeling retarded, forced, or marvel-like.
 

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What stands out the most to me is that your prose is kind of rambly, which stretches your jokes out. Brevity is the soul of wit. Every word you put between the setup and the punchline kills the joke a little more. Its not impossible to make long jokes work, but it's very difficult. You can't just tell a five minute setup and then end it with a two second punchline. Watch this video for an example of how to do it right. The story isn't just a setup for an eventual punchline, it's a string of jokes being told rapid fire in the guise of a story. Lots of people can't do this, especially in writing since you have to give the comedy more context than "I'm a comedian telling a funny story." If you can't do it, you're better off sticking to what I call "hit and run humor." Slap the audience in the face with a joke, then move on before they have a chance to uncross their eyes. And, as I said before, that requires you to use as few words as possible.
 

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Number 1 Rule: Never force the comedy
Instead, write hilarous and ridiculous scenarios and let the characters interact with them naturally, they will be fun without feeling retarded, forced, or marvel-like.
Those are good suggestions, but that would take careful setup. What I'm trying to do is lighten the mood. I don’t want the story to take itself way too seriously. So, i am trying to use a pseudo comic relief character as a foil for the protagonist.
 

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Those are good suggestions, but that would take careful setup. What I'm trying to do is lighten the mood. I don’t want the story to take itself way too seriously. So, i am trying to use a pseudo comic relief character as a foil for the protagonist.
the best way to do it is actually making a serious story with comic relief, if its purely comedy nobody is gong to read it nowadays. unless its a short four panel comic or something... written comedy is incredibly unpopular
 

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What stands out the most to me is that your prose is kind of rambly, which stretches your jokes out. Brevity is the soul of wit. Every word you put between the setup and the punchline kills the joke a little more. Its not impossible to make long jokes work, but it's very difficult. You can't just tell a five minute setup and then end it with a two second punchline. Watch this video for an example of how to do it right. The story isn't just a setup for an eventual punchline, it's a string of jokes being told rapid fire in the guise of a story. Lots of people can't do this, especially in writing since you have to give the comedy more context than "I'm a comedian telling a funny story." If you can't do it, you're better off sticking to what I call "hit and run humor." Slap the audience in the face with a joke, then move on before they have a chance to uncross their eyes. And, as I said before, that requires you to use as few words as possible.
The out of left field jokes are the Disney favorites and not sure they work in the literary medium just as well.
 

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Rolling my eyes, I retorted, “Worried you’ll catch a cold and pass it on, more like. And I thought we’d agreed I was older than you.” With an exasperated sigh, I tugged her cloak tighter around her shoulders as I offered my token protest.
Unless these two people occupy the same body, there's a problem with the pronouns here but I'm not 100% sure exactly what it is.

On the subject of the actual humor, this is the kind of banter I use in some of my stuff (Strange Awakening, Between Worlds; haven't had a lot in the others; Jack Diamond uses more self-deprecating humor and taking ludicrous situations seriously. any humor in True Blue is more "fish out of water" comments; Digital Cowboy hasn't had much room for humor so far). It is the easiest to do - and the easiest to OVERdo.
 
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The out of left field jokes are the Disney favorites and not sure they work in the literary medium just as well.
They can work just fine if you do them right. Here's a example from one of my books:
(Context: Henry's friends are worried about her, Henry tells them not to be)
To my relief, neither of them argued with me. As tired as I was, I don’t think I could have made words come tongue mouth fast speed to make good feels no worry camel butter Roosevelt doorbell.
 

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They can work just fine if you do them right. Here's a example from one of my books:
I'd probably have enjoyed it more in the larger context. As an excerpt on its own, it didn't illicit much.

Which neatly segues to another point. Its hard to judge how humor lands or when it just falls flat.
 

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Hmm... It seems like the humor whiffed past me this time. I don't understand the joke(s) in the first segment at all. It reads like simple friendly banter, though Leera seems a little clingy. She might be showing off a little to get little sister's attention? But where is the joke?
For the second segment, if I understand this correctly, Leera is acting silly in order to gain the attention of little sister. The joke is that little sister does not care, so Leera is making a fool of herself for nothing. But somehow Leera seems a little insincere? Let me think... Leera wants little sister's attention/affection so she dresses skimpy, but if she then complains about the cold its like her feelings for little sister are only that shallow anyway.
 

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Hmm... It seems like the humor whiffed past me this time. I don't understand the joke(s) in the first segment at all. It reads like simple friendly banter, though Leera seems a little clingy. She might be showing off a little to get little sister's attention? But where is the joke?
For the second segment, if I understand this correctly, Leera is acting silly in order to gain the attention of little sister. The joke is that little sister does not care, so Leera is making a fool of herself for nothing. But somehow Leera seems a little insincere? Let me think... Leera wants little sister's attention/affection so she dresses skimpy, but if she then complains about the cold its like her feelings for little sister are only that shallow anyway.
The protagonist is a dude who is old enough to be her father. She is used to dressing skimpily hence it doesn't matter much if there is a nip in the air. She managed to swindle a meal out of him.
 

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My goodness, how did I miss that?
That is how I try to layer the jokes. These kind have a higher chance of falling flat on their faces than the marvel Stark Snark variety. But those get insufferable fast.
Unless these two people occupy the same body, there's a problem with the pronouns here but I'm not 100% sure exactly what it is.

On the subject of the actual humor, this is the kind of banter I use in some of my stuff (Strange Awakening, Between Worlds; haven't had a lot in the others; Jack Diamond uses more self-deprecating humor and taking ludicrous situations seriously. any humor in True Blue is more "fish out of water" comments; Digital Cowboy hasn't had much room for humor so far). It is the easiest to do - and the easiest to OVERdo.
Cheers, I'll check it out.
 
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I've always found that distracting too much from the conversation itself can kill any humor there is.

Most times, when I've given a little snort while reading something in a book, I don't even realize I'm reading because I'm just lost in two people having a conversation that turns out abruptly funny or witty.

Whenever that's broken up by an author 'showing' or 'telling' whats happening around them, that flow crumbles a little.

A little explanation for what's happening here and there can add to it, but anything more than a small amount, and I tend to see that 'jokes' don't land on me.
 

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I've always found that distracting too much from the conversation itself can kill any humor there is.

Most times, when I've given a little snort while reading something in a book, I don't even realize I'm reading because I'm just lost in two people having a conversation that turns out abruptly funny or witty.

Whenever that's broken up by an author 'showing' or 'telling' whats happening around them, that flow crumbles a little.

A little explanation for what's happening here and there can add to it, but anything more than a small amount, and I tend to see that 'jokes' don't land on me.
That's an excellent observation. They get drowned in the word soup.
 

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Exactly.

But comedy comes in all flavors for all people. Some people like the dry stuff, others like it dark and shocking.

Trying to write something that everyone will like and appreciate is an effort in futility :ROFLMAO:
 

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Yeah, i think the age of intended audience matters more. Whimsy and surprise jokes with no setup tend to work on a younger audience .
 
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