How would a species with horns wear a helmet?

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To be exact, how would a species that has horns(the length of which varies from person to person of the species) wear medieval-style helmets worn by knights and generals? Most of the army goes into battle without helmets or just chainmail thrown over a leather cap, but how would important personnel (Lords, Emperors, generals, etc.) Their horns are positioned about the middle of their forehead above their eyebrows. Their horns turn up in an arc and point toward the sky. The length of the horns, how far they stretch, and how long the turn can be changes. So how would they make a metal helmet that covers their whole head, but doesn't have to be custom engineered for each person and can be generally used by anyone?
 

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Probably with holes for the horns. There could also be molded metal or chainmail that is fitted to the wearers horns. Most people that could afford armor in medieval times had their armor tailor made for them if they had the money. Everyone else would just get maybe a helmet or at least a coif. The helmets with horn holes would probably go to those who couldn't afford to protect their horns with armor.
 

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I'm gonna double down on the two-piece helmet.
There would be something like a skullcap that covers the sides, top, and back of the head; and then a(n ornamental) mask that covers the face and most of the horns. After all, getting your horns chipped or severed would probably be unpleasant in many ways.
 

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Could have a latch for the hinge. Gotta be careful about not busting it and having helmet stuck forever.
Yeah, it would be forever. No one would want to remove it for fear of damaging the masterpiece of the greatest blacksmith of the Empire. Though would a leather strap wrapped partially around the helmet achieve the same result while being easier to remove and less likely to get stuck than a latch?
 

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The same was as to how you would wear a butt plug with dog tail. You have a hole in your panties and pants.

As for keeping it on the head for different sizes, leather straps work.
 

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Yeah, it would be forever. No one would want to remove it for fear of damaging the masterpiece of the greatest blacksmith of the Empire. Though would a leather strap wrapped partially around the helmet achieve the same result while being easier to remove and less likely to get stuck than a latch?
I'm a little tired and out of it, but I feel like I need to mention that if whatever is holding the helmet together gets damaged in battle, it needs to do so in a way that will prevent the helmet from being removed. Otherwise it's like... An easy-to-exploit weakspot. A leather strap will get cut by an enemy, and then they can stab you in the face.
 

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If you have your warrior caste somewhat mental, they could saw off their horns to make for a better fit for a helmet. The more holes, the more weak spots. The question is, is this a society that conducts war in melee range, or are ranged weapons more common. Then you could make it illegal for someone who isn't in the army to saw off their horns, because a lack of horns would indicate they were in the military, and that would be like "stolen glory" to saw off your horns.
 

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The same was as to how you would wear a butt plug with dog tail. You have a hole in your panties and pants.

As for keeping it on the head for different sizes, leather straps work.
I expected this from so many other people here but not you. I'm assuming your reference comes from experience?
 

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I expected this from so many other people here but not you. I'm assuming your reference comes from experience?
Yes, Ai-chan was a very wild 'cosplayer' back in the day. Hohoho.
I'm a little tired and out of it, but I feel like I need to mention that if whatever is holding the helmet together gets damaged in battle, it needs to do so in a way that will prevent the helmet from being removed. Otherwise it's like... An easy-to-exploit weakspot. A leather strap will get cut by an enemy, and then they can stab you in the face.
It's very hard to actually target the leather straps on a helmet, though. Generally, if you are precise enough to target the leather straps, you'd be precise enough to stab or cut the places not covered by the helmet, such as the nose, the armpit, the inner part of the elbow, the joints on the belly or the space on the neck between the helmet and the chestplate. There are natural weakness in the armour that cannot be armoured as it would hamper mobility. If the person can cut such a tiny point as a leather strap, they can naturally target these natural points of weakness as well.

There has never been any accounts of any medieval or antiquity battles where a fighter specifically targets the straps of the helmet. It's much easier to stab the opponent in the face, up from under the chin or through the neck if you have the opportunity to get to that point.

This is an example of a Galea, a type of helmet that most people associate with the Roman legionnaire. Though this was only common after Marian Reforms, where the state sponsored military equipments instead of the citizens supplying their own. See how close the strap is to the face, to the point that you can't even see it. At this point, you'd be better off stabbing the upper face or from under the chin.



The greek helmets such as the pilos and corinthian types also have straps, though you'd be hard pressed to find it on modern representations. But those helmets had holes to attach straps, which were tied under the chin. If you were to look at them, you would not find the straps, as they would be tight against the skin and as such, cutting the straps would be the same as cutting the skin.

 
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Yes, Ai-chan was a very wild 'cosplayer' back in the day. Hohoho.

It's very hard to actually target the leather straps on a helmet, though. Generally, if you are precise enough to target the leather straps, you'd be precise enough to stab or cut the places not covered by the helmet, such as the nose, the armpit, the inner part of the elbow, the joints on the belly or the space on the neck between the helmet and the chestplate. There are natural weakness in the armour that cannot be armoured as it would hamper mobility. If the person can cut such a tiny point as a leather strap, they can naturally target these natural points of weakness as well.

There has never been any accounts of any medieval or antiquity battles where a fighter specifically targets the straps of the helmet. It's much easier to stab the opponent in the face, up from under the chin or through the neck if you have the opportunity to get to that point.

This is an example of a Galea, a type of helmet that most people associate with the Roman legionnaire. Though this was only common after Marian Reforms, where the state sponsored military equipments instead of the citizens supplying their own. See how close the strap is to the face, to the point that you can't even see it. At this point, you'd be better off stabbing the upper face or from under the chin.



The greek helmets such as the pilos and corinthian types also have straps, though you'd be hard pressed to find it on modern representations. But those helmets had holes to attach straps, which were tied under the chin. If you were to look at them, you would not find the straps, as they would be tight against the skin and as such, cutting the straps would be the same as cutting the skin.

That isn't the mental image I had after reading previous replies.
 
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