How to overcome procrastination, and why "just do it" is absolutely NOT the solution.

Jemini

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I tried to post this topic a short time ago, and it was completely overrun by trolls to the extent that I requested the mods delete it so I could start afresh hopefully with more productive discussion. Well, they locked it instead, and now I'm re-posting it here with the same initial idea.

This is a video I came across in regards to overcoming procrastination. It breaks down the root causes of procrastination into 1. "Inertia," the inability to start, caused by a neurological malfunction in your anticipation and your fight or flight responses due to your brain's inability to properly assess the task of writing and it's "threat" to you, 2. "Distractability," the inability to stay focused on the task after you start due to a number of issues one might have, ADHD likely being the one most people's minds immediately jump to but there are also other potential causes, and 3. "Chronic Delay," which is when you make excuses not to start or otherwise just put it off.

Now, in regards to the debate that wound up happening in the last attempt at this, the "just do it" response a lot of people seem to incorrectly think is the be-all end-all solution to the issue of procrastination, this solution will only work for cause #3 out of the 3 listed above. In the case of people who fall into the other two categories, telling them to "just do it" is absolutely not going to work, and it is highly likely that when they see it fail to work for them it will harm their self-esteem and further demotivate them to start writing. In other words, insisting upon pushing the "just do it" approach is actively harmful for 2/3 of the people suffering from procrastination.

The video I will now link goes into understanding procrastination, and even more so into understanding what motivates a person to work effectively and stay on task.

Also, to hopefully avoid a repeat of what happened last time, I am going to ask people who have not watched the video to absolutely not comment on this thread. This thread is in regards to sharing this video to hopefully help some people, and the renewed focus of this new thread is also to hammer down on how harmful the "just do it" advice really is due to the negative and de-motivating effects it can have on people. Therefore, we do not need a bunch of people insisting upon that approach while also refusing to hear any evidence to the contrary. As such, those who refuse to even watch the video also loose their right to comment on this thread.

It's a 20 minute video. That is not a high hurdle to overcome before commenting. Even if you disagree with the content of the video, it's just laziness to refuse to hear the content and disagree on the premise of your self-assured thinking that your own solution is better without even hearing alternatives... no, actually, the English language has another word for that. It's called Biggotry. Most people are used to that term being used in conjunction with racism, but the actual definition of biggotry is the refusal to even hear evidence to the contrary of your stance on an issue. (The reason for the term's association with racism would be because almost 100% of racists are also biggots. You pretty much have to ignore evidence contrary to your opinion in order to hold onto that racism.)

Well, not to get too much more into the weeds there, here's the video in question.

 
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I appreciate the effort and thought but I'm a lonely freak who had no social skills and my only response are to joke so sorry about the last thread
And this
 

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I appreciate the effort and thought but I'm a lonely freak who had no social skills and my only response are to joke so sorry about the last thread
And this
While rather flippant and dismissive of the genuine advice, I don't recall your comment really being that problematic on it's own. It was more what came after your comment that was the issue, and I don't think you could be expected to be held responsible for that.
 

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the best way to avoid procrastination is just to have someone hurl abuse at you. "Start the fuking chapter you pathetic little bitch."
Its always worked for me, but since in not on discord much these days i dont hear it anymore so most of my stuff has stagnated.

Weed also used to help me. Certain strains REALLY get that focus going.
 

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I'm sorry, but I genuinely just force myself to write or do whatever I need to do. Even if nothing comes to mind, I just start writing regardless of how shitty the sentences are and then I go back and delete them before writing them again until something coherent is formed.
 

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So, I watched the full video. First of all, sure, this video can and will help some people, since we are all different.

Secondly, one-third of the video was parodied in a comedy sketch that lasts 2 minutes. One-third of the video. Around seven minutes can be retold in two minutes, and not simply retold, but with added content to boot. Not a good sign.

Thirdly, he tells the most basic thing that a lot of people already do. Personally, I didn't hear a single helpful thing, or a single NEW thing.

Fourthly, after watching it I still think "just do it" is better.

Fifthly, I'm nitpicking, but using "my partner talked with athletes," and not using a single example, not naming a single athlete who used this approach makes me want to quote Michael Bisping. Maybe I missed a name? I'm not sure.
 

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So, I watched the full video. First of all, sure, this video can and will help some people, since we are all different.

Secondly, one-third of the video was parodied in a comedy sketch that lasts 2 minutes. One-third of the video. Around seven minutes can be retold in two minutes, and not simply retold, but with added content to boot. Not a good sign.

Thirdly, he tells the most basic thing that a lot of people already do. Personally, I didn't hear a single helpful thing, or a single NEW thing.

Fourthly, after watching it I still think "just do it" is better.

Fifthly, I'm nitpicking, but using "my partner talked with athletes," and not using a single example, not naming a single athlete who used this approach makes me want to quote Michael Bisping. Maybe I missed a name? I'm not sure.
Fair proper criticism, worlds better than what we got last time through this.

That said, I will definitely say the overly verbose criticism lands quite squarely on this video, but I'm not so sure about the "most basic things that a lot of people do already" part. First, I'd like you to define "a lot," once we come to consider advise like setting ridiculously small goals (small to the level of "open a word document," or "write your first sentence,") or start writing immediately after you wake up because the alpha state you are in from recently sleeping is close enough to a flow state that it'll help you to be able to get into it a lot more easily.

I'll admit, I actually have been using the 2nd one just as a matter of experience on my own part, but that's more something I discovered through trial and error. It doesn't strike me as something "a lot of people" would find basic or obvious.
 

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I don’t know if my experience with this issue matters or not, but I hope my input proves to be useful to so extent. I’m also extremely tired right now, and so I may come across blunt and just wrong.

When it comes to procrastination, especially in things I want to do rather than need, I find myself stuck in between a rock and a hard place. At first I questioned myself and blamed myself, but that proves to be unproductive in the long run even if it works out for a bit. The ’just do it’ approach can work, but often times it doesn’t. My personal solution is often to find the cause of what’s causing this behaviour in its entirety, kinda like a soul search because poor mental health is usually a blockade to being productive. With doing writing for example, my procrastination usually comes from an increase in real life stress, or mishaps that ruin my routines, which can be fixed by putting active effort to push myself towards a positive goal.

I might’ve missed the mark a bit, my bad. I just kinda think that putting so much emphasis on the outcome: procrastination is a problem in itself, as its usually a result of underlying issues. (At least with my own experiences, friends, and others I know. So I could be or just am flat out wrong.)
 

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but I'm not so sure about the "most basic things that a lot of people do already" part. First, I'd like you to define "a lot,"
19:25 minute mark. "Fix your schedule." If this isn't a basic stuff I don't know what is.

How much is "a lot"? I dunno. It's the same as "some of the best athletes in the world" on 3:25 minute mark. A groundless statement. But I allowed myself to make it, since KNOWLEDGE of making a schedule is rather basic in my understanding. Are people actually doing it? This is a question I can't answer. But I think a lot of people are aware of such a thing as scheduling since a lot of them attend school, unis, colleges, have someone to teach them, be it parent or someone else.
once we come to consider advise like setting ridiculously small goals (small to the level of "open a word document," or "write your first sentence,")
This part lasted around 7 minutes(please, don't ask me to look for concrete number), and it's the part that was parodied. As I said above, you can retell this in 2 minutes(probably even less) and even add more to it. In the parody the dude said to keep a diary, and write down each and every achievement(completeion of every task). I don't think I heard the diary part in your video, while I do think it can actually help some people, and add more value to the advice. And to make things clear, this part isn't obvious nor basic. I was talking about scheduling, and the next thing.
or start writing immediately after you wake up because the alpha state you are in from recently sleeping is close enough to a flow state that it'll help you to be able to get into it a lot more easily.
This one is kinda weird. I don't have any concrete numbers nor anything like that. Only speculations based on my own observation and life experience. The number of people who do it unconcsiously, because they don't have enough sleep, and no amount of coffee will help them, was big. But I will concede and say that I made a mistake. He mentions two not obvious tips, making small tasks and working right after waking up. He mentions one obvious tip, fixing the schedule.
 
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So, I watched the full video. First of all, sure, this video can and will help some people, since we are all different.

Secondly, one-third of the video was parodied in a comedy sketch that lasts 2 minutes. One-third of the video. Around seven minutes can be retold in two minutes, and not simply retold, but with added content to boot. Not a good sign.

Thirdly, he tells the most basic thing that a lot of people already do. Personally, I didn't hear a single helpful thing, or a single NEW thing.

Fourthly, after watching it I still think "just do it" is better.

Fifthly, I'm nitpicking, but using "my partner talked with athletes," and not using a single example, not naming a single athlete who used this approach makes me want to quote Michael Bisping. Maybe I missed a name? I'm not sure.
Coz even with all these advises, the author will and still have to pick up the pen/open his document processor to write.

So, in the end, it is still the 'just do it' mantra. lol
 

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Personal thought.

Instead of focusing on the initial shove of "just do it", does the video focus on "keep doing it" or "fuck ups are normal, just keep doing it"?

Stopped at 12 min mark at 1.5 speed.
 
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