Writing Fantasy vs Supernatural

Rhaps

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So uh, I originally thought my novel wasn't in the fantasy realm and more in the realm of supernatural.

But when I actually delved deeper (because I was bored) while finding materials for a cosplay, I found out that my novel was more fantastical (I even described my world as "fantastical" in the novel, fuck you other me for writing that).


So this lead to my question, when does it count as fantasy and not just supernatural? What is the line and why didn't I see it before?
 

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To me, fantasy is when various mystical creatures walks among us and people thinks it's normal. Supernatural is when paranormal phenomena unexplainable by science happens and people freaks out.
So me adding the fantasy tag was correct.
 

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To me, fantasy is when various mystical creatures walks among us and people thinks it's normal. Supernatural is when paranormal phenomena unexplainable by science happens and people freaks out.
Yeah. Looked it up and Erys essentially said the more concise version of the difference. So... what they said!
 

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The distinction I use personally is that fantasy is when magic's commonplace, as a building block of the world and society. Those stories mostly happen in made-up worlds. Surpernatural meanwhile is when magic's somewhat hidden, as a powerful, unknown force, often taking place on Earth. Magic in those stories is typically either extremely powerful and dangerous, or doesn't exist in a way that can be harnessed - in those stories there are various fantasy races instead, most commonly vampires and werewolves.
 

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Supernatural is somewhere between horror and fantasy, basically.

If it takes place in another world that doesn't have recognizable events and figures from the history of our world, and where magic or magical creatures are significantly more common than our own, it's probably fantasy. This is also called "second world" fantasy. If main character(s) go from our world to another world, it's portal fantasy / isekai. If things are pretty bad, gritty, pessimistic or violent in the other world, it's dark fantasy.

If it takes place in a world that basically resembles our own world, but with magical or mythological elements added, it's more likely supernatuaral, but could be fantasy.
  • if the added magical/mythological elements are drawn primarily from scary stories, folktales, and the myths that precede those things, with elements like ghosts, vampires, werewolves, witches/warlocks, undead, etc "added to our word," it's probably supernatural
  • if the added magical/mythological elements are drawn primarily from fairy tales that aren't as scary, or from over-influential fantasy sources like J.R.R. Tolkien books (which feature dwarves, elves, dragons, wizards, magic swords, orcs, etc all in antoher world) or Dungeons & Dragons (which is basically Tolkien + other mythological stuff thrown in) and these elements are more prominent than the supernatural stuff listed above, then it's fantasy
  • if most people don't know about or don't really interact the added magical/mythological elements, so their lives are pretty much like people's lives in our world, then it's almost certainly supernatural
  • if most people don't know about these things, and the main character(s) also don't, and they find out about it and horrible, horrible things happen to them, then it's closer to horror than supernatural
  • if the main character(s) ARE magical/mythological creatures that most people don't know about or interact with, then it's much more likely to be supernatural than horror
  • if average people can use magic, it's probably fantasy or sci-fi-fantasy. If there are schools where you go to learn to use magic and become a wizard or whatever, it's probably fantasy. If magic is unpredictable and dangerous and can't really be taught in a structured way, it's more likely supernatural. If using magic is rather likely to end up with the magic-using character getting turned inside out and screaming forever in agony and going insane, it's horror.
There are a bunch of things that could go in either category. Mermaids? If they're everyday creatures average people interact with, it's probably fantasy. If nobody knows about the secret mermaid kingdom under the ocean, it's probably supernatural. Faeries? If they're happy go-lucky friendly creatures who grant wishes but aren't main characters, it's probably fantasy. If they're a secret type of creature who are more devious and political, who occasionally interact with normal "our world" types of people, and the main character gets into some kind of relationship with one (or is part faerie) then it's probably supernatural. Undead liches and skeletons? Probably fantasy. Undead "I got hit by a car but it turns out I'm still here, just dead now" zombie? Probably supernatural, or horror if things get really awful.
 

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Supernatural is somewhere between horror and fantasy, basically.

If it takes place in another world that doesn't have recognizable events and figures from the history of our world, and where magic or magical creatures are significantly more common than our own, it's probably fantasy. This is also called "second world" fantasy. If main character(s) go from our world to another world, it's portal fantasy / isekai. If things are pretty bad, gritty, pessimistic or violent in the other world, it's dark fantasy.

If it takes place in a world that basically resembles our own world, but with magical or mythological elements added, it's more likely supernatuaral, but could be fantasy.
  • if the added magical/mythological elements are drawn primarily from scary stories, folktales, and the myths that precede those things, with elements like ghosts, vampires, werewolves, witches/warlocks, undead, etc "added to our word," it's probably supernatural
  • if the added magical/mythological elements are drawn primarily from fairy tales that aren't as scary, or from over-influential fantasy sources like J.R.R. Tolkien books (which feature dwarves, elves, dragons, wizards, magic swords, orcs, etc all in antoher world) or Dungeons & Dragons (which is basically Tolkien + other mythological stuff thrown in) and these elements are more prominent than the supernatural stuff listed above, then it's fantasy
  • if most people don't know about or don't really interact the added magical/mythological elements, so their lives are pretty much like people's lives in our world, then it's almost certainly supernatural
  • if most people don't know about these things, and the main character(s) also don't, and they find out about it and horrible, horrible things happen to them, then it's closer to horror than supernatural
  • if the main character(s) ARE magical/mythological creatures that most people don't know about or interact with, then it's much more likely to be supernatural than horror
  • if average people can use magic, it's probably fantasy or sci-fi-fantasy. If there are schools where you go to learn to use magic and become a wizard or whatever, it's probably fantasy. If magic is unpredictable and dangerous and can't really be taught in a structured way, it's more likely supernatural. If using magic is rather likely to end up with the magic-using character getting turned inside out and screaming forever in agony and going insane, it's horror.
There are a bunch of things that could go in either category. Mermaids? If they're everyday creatures average people interact with, it's probably fantasy. If nobody knows about the secret mermaid kingdom under the ocean, it's probably supernatural. Faeries? If they're happy go-lucky friendly creatures who grant wishes but aren't main characters, it's probably fantasy. If they're a secret type of creature who are more devious and political, who occasionally interact with normal "our world" types of people, and the main character gets into some kind of relationship with one (or is part faerie) then it's probably supernatural. Undead liches and skeletons? Probably fantasy. Undead "I got hit by a car but it turns out I'm still here, just dead now" zombie? Probably supernatural, or horror if things get really awful.
so, in a short and from it really depends on what kind of world is build around the main characters or the plot.. right. that is what i understand when i read this >w<...
 

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My personal definition is that Supernatural is trying to explain shit with science and psychology while trying to keep the mystery
while Fantasy is all about "It's magic, I don't need to explain shit!"
 

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so, in a short and from it really depends on what kind of world is build around the main characters or the plot.. right. that is what i understand when i read this >w<...
Yeah, it’s mostly about the world, but also about the characters’ role in the world.

World with common magic, (some) main characters are magic = fantasy or modern isekai
World with common magic, MC is more ordinary = old-school isekai or portal fantasy
World with uncommon/secret magic, (some) main characters are magic = supernatural
World with uncommon/secret magic, main characters are ordinary people who encounter magic stuff and it’s horrible and they die or go insane = horror
 

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So uh, I originally thought my novel wasn't in the fantasy realm and more in the realm of supernatural.

But when I actually delved deeper (because I was bored) while finding materials for a cosplay, I found out that my novel was more fantastical (I even described my world as "fantastical" in the novel, fuck you other me for writing that).


So this lead to my question, when does it count as fantasy and not just supernatural? What is the line and why didn't I see it before?
I think: Fantasy = Could be rare but part of that world. Supernatural = Something that shouldn't exist and not part of the world.
 

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Sci-fi fans are always weird about this. It's simply true. Star Wars: Space Wizards Star Trek: Space Elves.
Scifi has many MANY subgenres just like Fantasy does. If a fan is pointing out that science fantasy and scifi are not the same, they're usually into hard scifi, which is nothing at all like Star Wars or Star Trek. Think of hard scifi like low fantasy. It's more grounded and probably a lot closer to reality than your space operas and high fantasy.
 

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Fantasy is pretty much anything that's made up. Typically with magic.

Supernatural: 'Super' Natural. If nature or reality is being slightly enhanced, but not broken, it's supernatural.

Supernatural is a subgenre of Fantasy- except when it's actually a subgenre of Mystery. The distinction being that the ghosts turn out to be a logical and natural part of the world once they're understood.

There's nothing stopping you from having both tags, even if you're using a typical LotR fantasy world.

Sci-fi fans are always weird about this. It's simply true. Star Wars: Space Wizards Star Trek: Space Elves.
Star wars is a space opera, not sci fi. Just because the jedi use magic doesn't mean HAL 9000 is a magical golem.
 

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Star wars is a space opera, not sci fi. Just because the jedi use magic doesn't mean HAL 9000 is a magical golem.
Well, even if they do try to stay faithful to known science Sci-fi do use fantasy science and technology.
 

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Well, even if they do try to stay faithful to known science Sci-fi do use fantasy science and technology.
Not always. A lot of sci-fi uses existing science and just jumps the scale out to interstellar or galactic levels.
Thinking about it, 2001 was a bad example because the Monoliths are very 3rd law. I just wasn't thinking about them.

'Real' sci-fi is colony ships traveling for a hundred years to reach their new home, or asteroid miners flying around prospecting the belt. Things that could literally happen with modern tech, if people really wanted to.
 
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