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Do I have time for this? Not really! But here it is anyway.

Post a link to your story and I'll read the first 3-5 chapters and give you my feedback. I feel like a lot of feedback tends to focus on what a story isn't doing instead of what it is - which leads to situations where you judge The Lord of the Rings by how good it is at being Game of Thrones. Same genre, both very popular, but their appeal and how they go about doing what they're doing is vastly different.

So my feedback is going to follow a general formula:

- What my impression of your story is based solely on your blurb without looking at tags.
- How well your story delivers on what your synopsis suggests it is.
- My general feedback of what you've written, inclduing what I think your goals are and how well you're fulfilling them.
- Any media suggestions that are close to what I think your goals are for inspriation and study.

I'm pretty widely read, so I'm open to anything that isn't AI generated slop. I want to help you improve your writing, which means I need to see your writing.

If you want some other qualifications: I've been writing as long as I can remember, won national awards in middle and high school for writing, and have an MLitt in Creative Writing from the University of Glasgow so I like to think I know what I'm doing.

I do have college, a day job, and a side job, so updates are likely to be slow, but I've been thinking of opening a thread for a while so figured fuck it, why not?
 

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appreciate your detailed feedback
 
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I could use some feedback on one of my stories. It's ongoing in a larger collection of short stories. Maybe I should have made it separate. Starts on the first link here then continues to the next link. I break them up a bit for timeline reasons, but I'm still working that out. If that makes it weird I get it. Also you'll see but there is some disclaimers about the subject matter. It's mostly a light romp, gets lighter as it goes, but there's some issues of ablism, bullying, that comes up and the main character is neurodivergent.

You Are Entering Paddlewick - Peach of Petalik: The Courtship of Miribelle Tansy | Scribble Hub
You Are Entering Paddlewick - The Peach of Petalik (PoP) Chapter 2: Enter the Goose | Scribble Hub
 

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Mine has a very slow start. I often fail the three chapters rule, even. But I'm still planning to do 500k words with it.


Thank you.
 
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The Neutral System appreciate your detailed feedback
Let me help fix your link:


Next time, you might want to avoid sharing your editchapter links. Those are not available for public.
 

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Let me help fix your link:


Next time, you might want to avoid sharing your editchapter links. Those are not available for public.
oh you were right, i didn't notice thank you so much
 

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Thanks for the feedback thread; I've been doing one of my own so someone else to share the load is super appreciated.

I know the thread's already (inevitably) buried in posts, but I noticed that you said you were willing to review any genre. That is unusual in my experience. If and only if you're willing to review smut/gl/gender bender works, it would be nice to hear your review of the synopsis and first few chapters of A Housepet's Trade, my current series. Feel free to kick it to the back of the queue or not review it at all, I don't want to make you read anything you're uncomfortable with.
 

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Thank you for your kind offer
 

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Alright, let's get started!

From your title, I can tell this is likely some kind of litRPG, isekai, and/or progfic and... yeah. That's about it. Synopsis doesn't give me any clarifying information. I can tell there's an element of breaking the fourth wall and comedy, but if this wasn't a feedback thread, I probably wouldn't be interested enough to continue. Lots of litRPG/progfic/isekai are on meta and include comedy - what's different about yours?

Sure, most don't actually break the fourth wall, but being able to break the fourth wall in a way that actually serves the narrative is a skill. It does work best in comedy, since the bit doesn't break immersion the same way it does in other genres, but even then, I have no initial investment in the fourth wall breaking because I don't know anything else about the premise. I already made a thread of my general synopsis writing advice, so I won't go into detail, but I don't know who the protagonist is (not his name, but what his deal is besides the dodging gimmick), what he's doing (as in the plot), or why he's doing it.

Moving on to the story itself.

So I see it. you're trying to subvert the isekai genre with a character that wants to be special and isekai'ed, but wasn't. Your biggest problem is that the formatting of your story is terrible. I'm not a hardliner about following grammar and standards to letter so long as it's understandable and in the general ballpark, but it's clear you're not at all familiar with those standards (in English prose) to begin with. You need to start there, or most people will drop your story just because it's too difficult to parse your formatting. I'll admit, I mostly skimmed because I couldn't focus on the text as written.

You also don't deliver on the fourth wall breaking promised in the synopsis at all. If the character isn't going to be breaking the fourth wall, take it out of the synopsis. No one likes a bait and switch. (Also fix the part where you switch between first person and third person POV without any clear rhyme or reason. It makes me think this might have been AI-generated, but most of it just reads like someone writing without English being their first language, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.)

Also, you lack consistency. You state this story is taking place in South Korea, then proceed to use solely Japanese terms, tropes, and story conventions. I think you wanted to place it in South Korea as another method of subverting expectations, but you immediately undermine that by making it so steeped in anime tropes, so the change in setting is entirely moot. It also just... isn't doing anything new. Even skimming, it just feels like a collection of tropes thrown together in roughly the right order.

You need to take more time to develop your characters as people and not just archetypes - in subversion, presenting a character as an archetype initially and then showing later how they deviate can work... but no reader is going to believe you'll deliver on that idea if the story itself feels generic, which this one does. I have no idea why we're not jumping into the isekai plot for very stereotypical anime high school shenanigans that aren't really relating back to the MC wanting to be special other than his rants about wanting to be special, which no one is changing his viewpoint on in anyway... since they're mostly internal.

Overall, it feels like you want to write a satire of an isekai/progfic, but your heavy reliance on using anime tropes without really changing anything and having under-developed characters makes the attempt fall flat.

Media recommendations:

The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) - I'm hesitant to recommend an anime when this is already so anime-coded, but this one fits with what I think your goals are. The MC is an ordinary guy, and the titular Haruhi wants to discover the supernatural. And it turns out, it all exists! But due to the powers she doesn't know she has, she can never know this or it might destroy the world. It uses this plot point as a way to engage with familiar tropes while still having an original spin. By having the MC be, essentially, a side character in Haruhi's story, it gives the audience a more unique peek into what's happening.

Ladyhawke (1985 film) - like Haruhi, the MC of this film is actually a side character in the plot. Bonus points, he does break the fourth wall and speak directly to the viewer. It's kind of clunky in its execution, but I think it has a lot of the quirky vibe you're looking to capture in your story.

Locked Tomb Series - this one would be a time investment, as book 2 (Harrow the Ninth) is the one I think would have more significance for you with its masterful use of second person POV in prose. And I do mean masterful, in the sense that Tamsyn Muir knew exactly what she wanted to do with this point of view and she did it. It's still not everyone's cup of tea, but it is a fantastic example of breaking standards with intent.

Mob Pyscho 100 (anime) - I don't hesitate as much with this one, because it's not as tropey as the first and subverting tropes and expectations is ONE's modus operandi. The MC is designed to look like a mob/background character despite being the MC, and it has a lot of commentary on the idea of "MCs" vs "mobs".

Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead (1990 film) - again, if you want to write an MC that's a "side character", the best way to do is... to actually make them a side character in someone else's story. This film takes it a step further, by having the characters be aware of the strange way the world of a play works compared to reality. I think you wanted to have an element of this?
appreciate your detailed feedback

Alright. We've got a system with a morality binary, and the MC breaks it. The problem is that the synopsis kind of just... repeats itself. It's three lines that all say "there's two things, but the MC is a third thing!" And... what else? What is the MC's goal? Why is that his goal? I know who he is - the person who isn't a saint or a sinner. And while that's a fun premise to explore, it's not unique - Black Clover and Mashle are both "character in a world of magic has none so gets buff", but they have different motivations despite similar goals. Asta will be the next Wizard King as part of his rivalry with his childhood friend; Mashe will become the next Divine Visionary so he can live in peace with his father. There are other similarities in theme and tone of the two works, but even on a base level, they distinguish themselves beyond just "this character doesn't fit into this world's natural order".

Moving to the story.

Drop your prologue. I'm not the kind of person who thinks all prologues are bad, but there's a lot that goes into making a good prologue that incites interest without giving away too much. Part of the intrigue of stories with absolutes is why those absolutes exist and why the MC doesn't exist within them. By frontloading that information, I immediately lose interest in that mystery, which is often the first thing readers who enjoy stories with this convention will be trying to figure out. There's a lot of play to be had exploring why characters in the story think the world exists the way it does and hinting at the real reason.

You do a fantastic job of setting up Klein based on your premise. His internal struggles, the complex intersection of need and morality. Sometimes, the countdown to an event works - I think your story would be stronger without it. The countdown works because of the prologue - and as I said, you'll get more interest from readers when they don't know why the system/world works that way and are trying to figure it out. You do a fantastic job setting up the unease and tension of Klein walking through the alley in the subtle shift to shorter sentences and reassurances that Klein knows how to stay safe - you don't need the literal "hours before death". Genuinely, the overt text is weakening your prose by removing the way you manage tension within the scenes.

You're overexplaining the mechanics of your world too soon - Klein is a great protagonist and I am fully invested in his journey from how much of a real person he feels like. But when you cut back to God and the Demon God and repetitively account for how perfectly balanced Klein's soul is, it takes away the mystery and tension. It would be fascinating in a vacuum - or even as a flashback. But again, when you frontload the "this is why the MC is a third thing" right away, you're taking away the core mystery fans of this convention look forward to. Chapter one should end at Klein's death.

Let us be confused at the start of Chapter 2 with Klein. Save the stuff with the scales and judgement and all of that for later. It's fantastic that you've thought your world out with this much attention to detail - it will keep you consistent as you continue. But we the reader don't need to see it right now. The set-up of chapter 2 is the mystery and intrigue people are going to be looking for from reading your synopsis (which I do still think could be improved). Cariel is now re-expositing the stuff from the prologue - but now she's expositing to Klein, and through him, to us. This is far more interesting than being told in the prologue. Now I'm on the journey next to Klein, instead of an outsider looking in.

And again, every time I get told in detail why Klein doesn't fit the binary, my interest dies. Please explain less. Genuinely, getting to the point of - for the third time - having this explanation of the Godfather and God and Demon God and Klein's soul being "perfectly balanced" and how that messes up the system, I lost all interest in continuing to read. Because the story is just constantly stalling to tell me why Klein doesn't fit the binary without any further commentary and it makes me feel like you don't actually have anything to say about complex morality beyond its existence. You need to reconstruct the narrative in a way that preserves the mystery of why Klein exists outside the binary until the reveal of it exposes something you want to say about the world.

There are also a few other logical inconsistencies that I could ignore, but addressing them would also strengthen your conceit. Why are God, the Demon God (also, just say the Devil - you've steeped this too much in Christian mythos to gain any separation from it by using a clunkier name for the "bad" god), and the Godfather all men? Your insistence on how binary this system is makes it stand out more that the leaders of this world don't exist on a binary with a thing between. If you're afraid people are going to come at you for making the "Devil" a woman, then make God a woman and subvert expectations. Gender in this instance is a motif of your commentary on (moral) binaries, accuracy to real world mythology (which you've already tried to make a small distinction from) is not required.

Also, you state in the prologue that God and Not the Devil made the Godfather Protocol exactly for this impossible event - so it's not a "question they didn't think to ask", because... they did ask. They asked each other, and then made the protocol as an answer. They can still be surprised that such an impossible event happened, but the existence of a protocol they created shows that they still thought about it and made a plan for it. If the Godfather came to exist on his own, that would be a different thing. (And it could be very interesting to explore the Thing Between trying to work outside the purview of God and Not the Devil more than the immediate confrontation.)

I think you have something you really want to say, and you're really good at creating a compelling protagonist in Klein, and you have made a very interesting premise behind your binary system - but you've got to save it for later in the story so readers have a mystery to try and solve. The tension of Klein's confusion and moral struggles just dies every time it gets dissected by the ins and outs of the system in explicit detail to the reader. I hate to be that guy, but you need to show us more than you're telling us.

It feels like in Chapter 2 you, through the Godfather, just openly state "this is what I want you to get from this story" - so why would I keep reading when you've just told me what the point of the story is, you know?"

I only have one media recommendation I think comes close to your goals, and that is the television show The Good Place. It's a comedy about ethics and morality and the afterlife that also has mysteries to solve that it does a great job with the timing with. It think it could help illustrate my point that holding back on the explicit why of what is happening until later will make the story stronger.
 
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Thank you so much for the detailed feedback, i was having a hard time looking at my own work from a third person perspective and you've completely highlighted the things i couldn't see myself.

You're completely right about me telling rather than showing explanations about the system and why Klein is different. i was so focused on making sure the world made sense if there was contradictions, inconsistency, plot holes that i didn't realize i was taking away the journey of discovery from the reader. Your feedback on the synopsis was another one of those moments where you pointed out something obvious that i was completely blind to. You were right, i just kept repeating the idea that he was the 'third thing' without giving a sense of who he is or what he actually wants. It makes so much more sense to focus on his actual story. I'm glad that you think Klein is a compelling protagonist, because he's the part of the story i care about most. Knowing that the foundation is strong gives me a lot of confidence to go back and rebuild the structure around him.
 
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Hello! Any feedback and criticism are welcome, thank you.

 

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Do I have time for this? Not really! But here it is anyway.

Post a link to your story and I'll read the first 3-5 chapters and give you my feedback. I feel like a lot of feedback tends to focus on what a story isn't doing instead of what it is - which leads to situations where you judge The Lord of the Rings by how good it is at being Game of Thrones. Same genre, both very popular, but their appeal and how they go about doing what they're doing is vastly different.

So my feedback is going to follow a general formula:

- What my impression of your story is based solely on your blurb without looking at tags.
- How well your story delivers on what your synopsis suggests it is.
- My general feedback of what you've written, inclduing what I think your goals are and how well you're fulfilling them.
- Any media suggestions that are close to what I think your goals are for inspriation and study.

I'm pretty widely read, so I'm open to anything that isn't AI generated slop. I want to help you improve your writing, which means I need to see your writing.

If you want some other qualifications: I've been writing as long as I can remember, won national awards in middle and high school for writing, and have an MLitt in Creative Writing from the University of Glasgow so I like to think I know what I'm doing.

I do have college, a day job, and a side job, so updates are likely to be slow, but I've been thinking of opening a thread for a while so figured fuck it, why not?
I’d appreciate some feedback, whenever you’re free of course
Decay Hunter
 

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I promised in my own thread that I'd post the first ever story I wrote (I was 15) just for the hell of it. It's only one chapter and pretty much just noise and more telling than showing, so be warned.
 

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Hello, thank you so much for doing this, I’d love to hear your thoughts on mine.


It’s called Voidlight — an anime/manga-inspired story about two former enemies (a Radiant warrior and an Abyssal cruelty) who are banished into the human world. They have to adapt to ordinary life while slowly awakening their powers again. It blends slice-of-life, shonen battles, and spiritual/astral lore.


I’ve got 22 chapters out right now. I polish my chapters with editing support to keep structure clean, but the story, worldbuilding, and characters are 100% mine, and I’ve worked hard to keep it in my own voice. I’d especially value your take on:


  • Whether the opening chapters grab and establish the tone.
  • How well the characters come across early on.
  • If the pacing feels solid or drags.

Here’s the link:


Thanks a lot for offering this — I know your time is limited, and I’d really appreciate even a few impressions
 
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